When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

Not progressive but ultra liberal which is as I understand it just the opposite of your beliefs. This wouldent be a conservative plot to run a democratic candidate that the republicans have a better chance of beating than Hillery would it?

It was indeed unusual. The Clintons have repeatedly proven themselves very adept at self-promotion and at surviving scandals. I suspect many Dems have calculated that Hillary is a more likely winner than Biden ( and probably less prone to self-inflicted gaffes and wounds) in an election with great consequences for them. Many somewhat polarizing issues afoot in the country right now, and in several ways the situation suggests that the electorate could surprise the professional analysts and prognosticators, I suspect that too influences Dems to stay with what appears (right now) to be the most secure and reliable choice.

All that said, like you, I have the feeling that opposition to Hillary is creeping up and that her situation may be very unstable. My concern is that it hasn't happened yet. I remain amazed that the media haven't noticed that a large fraction of her political retinue, from Sydney Blumenthal to Huma whatever and others remain on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation, while she used her position as Secretary of State to shake down foreign governments for contributions to it. Still, as Frank noted she is relied on by Democrat constituents to deliver the payoffs to them. I wonder if they realize that she probably despises them and thinks they're an unwashed rabble.

Sorry, Lash...but I am correct.

Liberals like you are doing more damage to the progressive side of the political spectrum than the conservative.

If you folk succeed in making Bernie the candidate...and if he loses...you will be responsible for the carnage to important programs that will bring.

I agree with Rabel that you are conducting yourself more as a conservative than a liberal right now...but I also agree that you usually are reasonable.

There are no liberals, there are progressive statists.

No, cj...there ARE liberals.

Some help the progressive agenda...some harm it.

Sorta the reverse of the conservatives.

Some help the conservative agenda...some harm it.

I root for the ones who harm it.

Only because you say so? 10_4.

People are saying Trump was a Dem plant.

Based on your comments to me on this thread, you do NOT understand my views in the least.

I have always been a social liberal, but my last vote for a Democrat was for Jimmy Carter. I sat out the last three. I likely would have stopped voting altogether had Bernie Sanders not entered the race.

I have indeed espoused some so-called politically conservative policies in the past, and I still bristle at some gun control rhetoric.

I recognize abortion as killing, but I give up. I think it's more humane for a baby to suffer a quick death than live a life in a home with an adult/adults who don't want it - and that statement alone causes some Democrats to run about like their hair is on fire and consider me the anti-christ. I'd never attempt to overturn Roe V Wade - but I call it what it is.

I think unions were desperately important at their inception and for many years. I think they got greedy and that greed led to the mass exodus of jobs from the US. I think unions, in many cases, have become little tyrannical mobs. Like many Democrats and Republicans, I think the teachers' union in CA became too ham-handed and actually injured education.

However, right now I'm "with unions" because they're a lesser evil than the perfect storm of billionaires, Wall Street, and "elected officials" who are circle jerking one another while the middle class is struggling and poor people live third world lives within our own borders. Right now, I am looking to unions to help me stop the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement that billionaires and crooked politicians - including key Democrats - are pushing through without the consent of the American people.

So, say what you will, but my support for an honest man in DC who has had his ax swinging against all this bullshit for 40 years is the only man I want in office. Citizens United needs to be obliterated. Glass Steagall, killed by Clinton, needs to be revived.

This country has been bought by oligarchs - and I want them, and the crooked politicians who sold it to them - out. Sanders is the only one running who isn't a part of the problem.

Bernie Sanders is the only true progressive in the race. He's the only one who has a record to back up what he says.

Hillary Clinton is just a good politician - and in my opinion, that is one of the worst things you can say about a person.

No...because there are people who use the word "liberal" to identify their politics, cj.

What are you trying, very unsuccessfully, to pull here.

There ARE liberals...there is even a Liberal Party.

Your assertion that there are no liberals is an absurdity.

What's the dif between an "ultra-liberal" and a progressive?

The "ultra-liberal" is a fool, and the progressive is the one that is fooling him/her.

Thank you for the definition of a troll. I imagine I'm the last hold out who hadn't ignored you. You are disappeared.

I found a couple of searing articles that understand me finally. I am giving it one last try with the calculators.

I hope you see at least one of the two articles I'm sharing about what's happening in the Dem party...and above and beyond that tired name - the people who want kindness, equality and fairness. Call us what you will. It's more than a party and it's more than a name.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/14/voting-for-hillary-clinton-red-lines-versus-lesser-of-evils/

Hillary also the focus of this article.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/07/15/opposing-hillary-clinton-supporting-bernie-sanders/

Brilliant articles Not your cup of tea, Frank?

Thank you for the definition of a narrow minded bigot. Cya.

Not exactly trolling. You and he just have utterly incompatible political viewpoints.

But since neither one of you will ever convince the other to change, probably no point in either of you fighting about it.

Kindness equality and fairness??? The article starts out by excoriating Hillary and the Republicans for being willing to use military force against the bad guys. Then it moves on to condemn Hillary for making a principled stand against anti-Semitism.

Hillary was right to dance on Kadaffy's grave. He horribly murdered countless people, including many innocent Americans. And no one should ever be ashamed of making a principled stand against anti-Semitism.

Just as long as we dont care what happens to the people in Libya. Or about the arms destabilizing Africa and the mid east, or about the Muslim Hoards invading Europe as we speak, creating all kinds of problems that the Europeans have neither the time nor the money to deal with.

Ya Hillary, that was a great move. And as a bonus the rest of the world hates us for it, because they have forgotten that we were only following England and France as we did the Obama "lead from behind" thing.

I think the people of Libya are better off now than they were under Kadaffy.

Delusional foreigners always hate us for nonsense reasons. If they become a problem, DroneStrike them.

The arms, meh. Maybe stop the flow of arms if we see an easy opportunity to do so, but not worth worrying about.

And regardless of the ultimate cost, Kadaffy was evil. His killing was a delight for humanity. No one should regret it.