When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

You said that more people were working before Obama took office and that wages were lower. I produced a chart showing that there Millions more working Full Time, and that inflation-adjusted median weekly pay was higher. You dismissed the Full Time chart as being beside the point. I produced the chart for all jobs, Full Time and Part Time. Your response? I don't grasp the whole picture and I'm a waste of time to talk to.

If you are going to build an idea upon other ideas, then it is relevant to examine each idea as you go along. If someone is building a bridge and one of the supports is located in quicksand, it's a good idea to let the builders know before they open the bridge and cars start driving into the river. Sorry if my examination, using charts, throws your overall grand vision into problems, but that is what discussion is for, isn't it? Especially when your ideas, like the one discussed, is frequently bandied about as truth by a large group of people. Why shouldn't I debunk it, and why shouldn't I use charts from reliable sources to do so? I thought that was what the forum was about.

I did NOT write "that more people were working working before Obama took office and/or that wages were (sic) lower " as you asserted.

Fewer people are working and average wages are down.

One noted the rise in total employment which you triumphantly asserted proved me wrong. I responded noting that the reported gain in total employment you noted was real and accurate, however the rate of employment growth implied by your data was less than one-half the rate of population growth in the country during that period, a fact which is consistent with my point about the workforce participation rate.

The labor force participation rates of men and women aged 62–79 have notably increased since the mid-1990s. The result is a dramatic increase in the share of total money income attributable to earnings. For persons aged 65–69, the earnings share of total income increased from 28 percent in 1980 to 42 percent in 2009. For this age group in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Social Security benefits and earnings were roughly equal shares of total money income (about 30 percent); the earnings share is now more than 12 percentage points larger. When we focus on aged persons who receive Social Security benefits, earnings shares have increased markedly throughout the 62–79 age range since the early 1990s. We show that for aged persons with labor market earnings, those earnings have a large effect on their relative position in the distribution of annual money income of older Americans.

Fewer people are working and average wages are down.

So? You have just shown that you know nothing of what the Labor Force Participation actually is, since it is NOT about population growth, (how many babies are being born), but about people who are 16-64 and are employed or looking for a job. Homemakers, soccer moms, students, military people, people in mental instutions, prisons and such are not counted. Neither are people under 65 who are retired. Don't even talk to me about the Labor Force Participation Rate unless you are ready to talk about the numbers of people in the groups who are NOT counted, otherwise you are carrying on a deception.

Shame on you, George.

From the Social Security Administration.

The labor force participation rates of men and women aged 62–79 have notably increased since the mid-1990s. The result is a dramatic increase in the share of total money income attributable to earnings. For persons aged 65–69, the earnings share of total income increased from 28 percent in 1980 to 42 percent in 2009. For this age group in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Social Security benefits and earnings were roughly equal shares of total money income (about 30 percent); the earnings share is now more than 12 percentage points larger. When we focus on aged persons who receive Social Security benefits, earnings shares have increased markedly throughout the 62–79 age range since the early 1990s. We show that for aged persons with labor market earnings, those earnings have a large effect on their relative position in the distribution of annual money income of older Americans.

William F. Buckley founded National Review to give some order and literary polish to this cacophonous [conservative] jumble. But his magazine had a small audience at the outset. Its basic message would reach a far wider audience through a widely popular book, The Conscience of a Conservative, ghostwritten for Barry Goldwater by Buckley’s brother-in-law (and his coauthor for McCarthy and His Enemies), L. Brent Bozell.

The idea for the book came from Clarence Manion, the former dean of Notre Dame Law School. He persuaded Goldwater to have Bozell, who had been his speechwriter, put his thoughts together in book form. Then Manion organized his own and other right-wing media to promote and give away thousands of copies of the book. Bozell did his part too—he went to a board meeting of the John Birch Society and persuaded Fred Koch (father of Charles and David Koch) to buy 2,500 copies of Conscience for distribution. The book put Goldwater on the cover of Time three years before he ran for president. A Draft Goldwater Committee was already in existence then (led by William Rusher of National Review, F. Clifton White, and John Ashbrook). Patrick Buchanan spoke for many conservatives when he called The Conscience of a Conservative their “New Testament.”

The Goldwater book, Dionne says, had all the basic elements of the Tea Party movement, fully articulated fifty years before the Koch brothers funded the Tea Party through their organizations Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. The book painted government as the enemy of liberty.

According to (I think it was) CNNMoney, the current 5% unemployment is considered a healthy economy.

Considered by whom? Have you taken the reduction in work force participation into account?

I agree the work force population rate is not about population growth. However its value over time is indeed a measure of the relative difference between population growth (or more precisely the growth of the 16-65 year cadre of the population and) the growth of total employment.

The details of what constitutes non participation (retirement, mlitary service, soccer moms etc.) are usually slowly changing and irrelevant.

Hillary strongly advocated for her husband's 1994 crime bill, which built more prisons and extended prison sentences (and which Bernie Sanders voted for)