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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:17 am
@blatham,
fun find at National Review

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Operation Chaos 2016
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After a GOP power player sent me a piece from left-leaning Salon headlined “Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn’t even see the frustrated progressive wave that will nominate Bernie Sanders,” my heart went pitter-patter, beginning to sense an opportunity.

But it was not until I saw a headline in The Hill warning that the “Sanders surge is becoming a bigger problem for Clinton,” accompanied by “It may be time for Hillary Clinton to take the challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders more seriously,” that I was truly motivated to join Team Bernie and rally my fellow Republicans to do the same.

So I sent Bernie a donation and visited his campaign store, where my favorite bumper sticker was Vote for Bernie . . . you know you wanna!

Now, I don’t really wanna, and neither do you.

However, supporting Bernie in the early stages of his campaign is a noble cause that makes a great deal of political sense and emboldens me to announce Operation Chaos 2016.

Perhaps you remember Operation Chaos from 2008?

If not, here is a quick refresher. In the 2008 presidential primaries, New York senator Hillary Clinton was locked in fierce battle with Illinois senator Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Those circumstances led Rush Limbaugh to wage a campaign encouraging millions of his listeners to “bloody up Obama politically” and prolong the Democratic fight. Limbaugh’s efforts prompted a May 8, 2008, Washington Post headline: “Did Rush Limbaugh Tilt Result in Indiana?”

Clinton had just narrowly won the Indiana primary, and Limbaugh’s “Operation Chaos” intervention was also deemed successful in several other states where registered voters were able to “cross over” and cast their votes in either party’s primary. Limbaugh’s rationale was that if Clinton were to win the Democrats’ 2008 presidential nomination, she would be a weaker general-election candidate than Obama — so from February to May, Limbaugh hopped on Clinton’s bandwagon. Later in the May 8 piece, the Washington Post reported: “But Limbaugh called off the operation yesterday, saying he wants Obama to be the party’s pick, because ‘I now believe he would be the weakest of the Democrat nominees.’”

Obviously, Limbaugh’s “strategery” (a favorite word of his) did not turn out as planned, but his interventionist reasoning should be revived and adapted for the early stages of the 2016 campaign.

For instance, Republicans have a pre-primary opportunity to strengthen Bernie Sanders’s financial position so that he will have ample resources to dog Clinton and turn her into a raging leftist during the primary season.

Republicans can strengthen Sanders’s financial position so that he will have ample resources to dog Clinton and turn her into a raging leftist during the primary season.

The GOP also needs Sanders to force Clinton into making more outrageous sound bites like this gem from the campaign trail in Boston on October 24, 2014, when she stated: “Don’t let anybody tell you it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs.” (Hillary, who at the time feared that populist Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren might enter the presidential race, was parroting a familiar Warren theme.) Like Warren, Sanders (the only avowed socialist in the Senate) is an authentic populist, so watch as Hillary tries to emulate him.

Clinton’s problem, according to another anti-Hillary Salon piece, is that she “wants to embrace populism and Wall Street at the same time.” Nothing illustrates Clinton, Inc.’s personal embrace of Wall Street more than the presence of her loving family during her “people’s” presidential announcement on June 13. Of course, standing behind Hillary was her “loyal” husband, the former president, with his well-documented longstanding ties to corporate greed and corruption through their family foundation. Next to him was their low-profile son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky, who just happens to be the founder and hedge-fund manager of Eaglevale Partners, LP. (Please note for Clinton’s “populist” family record that Lloyd Blankfein, the CEO of Goldman Sachs, is also an Eaglevale investor.) Only Hillary could stand up and fight for the “little guy,” railing against Wall Street greed, while her own family, standing within earshot, are poster children for the “1 percent.”

That is just one of many reasons why all Republicans should band together and launch Operation Chaos 2016.

It would have the same goal as its predecessor — prolonging the Democratic primary fight — only this time by strengthening and sustaining Sanders as he fights to weaken and debunk Clinton.

Ironically, this is the polar opposite of 2008’s objective, which was to strengthen Clinton and “bloody up Obama politically.”

If you find Operation Chaos appealing, then your first step is to send ten dollars to Bernie.

Just imagine: If even half of Mitt Romney’s 61 million voters from the 2012 election contributed that amount, then Sanders would have $305 million.

My ten-dollar contribution bought me the satisfaction of knowing that only Sanders (and certainly not the media) can force Clinton into addressing her own hypocrisy. Only Sanders can be Clinton’s “real” primary opponent, because (unlike most other Democrats) he does not fear the Clinton Machine.

Only Sanders can force Hillary into making egregious sound bites while she tries to match his natural appeal to the Democratic party’s ultraliberal base.

A Republican’s investment in Operation Chaos should eventually be repaid in full. This will happen when the GOP nominee successfully faces off against a much-weakened Hillary Clinton in a general election — using sound bites generated during her hard-fought primary against Bernie Sanders. Yes we can support Bernie! You know you wanna!




Blickers
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 12:52 pm
@ehBeth,
^^^Holy crap^^^
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 01:50 pm
http://truthinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/bernie-sanders-large-crowd2.jpg
blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:03 pm
@ehBeth,
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we see that very thing happening on this board

it would be fascinating if it wasn't so troubling


It is, but predictable. The right it very good at this game. The general mode is to push a desired narrative into their media so as to then push it into mainstream media which, being what they are, happily eats it up (conflict! sex! scandal! etc) and debates it. Consumers of mainstream media who don't understand this system grant credence because of what they see as objective sourcing. "Golly, this much talk about Hillary being untrustworthy and deceitful and manipulative must have something to it. And I sure don't want to be hoodwinked."

It is a sophisticated trolling strategy. Your later post on Operation Chaos v1
and v2 perfectly captures the thing. Great find, by the way! As I've mentioned earlier, the PUMA phenomenon was another such instance.
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blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:51 pm
@georgeob1,
Understood. I have an interest in archaeology, not shared by many. One advantage of online conversation is that one can't see the glazing over of eyes, so we can just go on and on, presuming a captured audience. I mean, who wouldn't be captured? This is interesting stuff.

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I'll acknowledge I didn't attempt to address some of the very particular questions you put to me, seeing them as an attempt to unilaterally direct our dialogue

I'd like you to try and think about this in a quite different way. Was I trying to direct the conversation. Yes. But why would that be a bad or inappropriate move? It isn't as if I was trying to avoid something or shift attention somewhere else. I was trying to get to specifics that bear directly on what we talk about. As I said, defining one's terms is a fundamental step in clear and profitable discussion. Watch Buckley in his debates on Firing Line. Asking the other to define his/her terms was not at all unusual.

Perhaps you felt I was trying to "pin you down". Yes, I was. But not to dominate or intimidate or to "show you up". To clarify. To require specificity.

And you can always ask that of me. It's entirely appropriate.

For example, on the term "propaganda", as we understand that word modernly, the aspect of "purposeful falsehood" or "knowing misrepresentation" or "knowingly deceitful evasion" really must be present, I argue. This is a key aspect that differentiates the thing from "marketing" or "public relations" (though obviously those can contain the others which then changes the nature of the thing in the direction of propaganda (we normally use that term re politics). But where an entity makes some statement or claim which is actually true, how can we possibly consider it "propaganda"?
revelette2
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
Notice anything about that picture? Such as the demographic make-up of the audience? It looks like Sanders still hasn't got the minority support yet.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:03 pm
@revelette2,
Hey! I see a couple of blacks in that audience.
revelette2
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Kind of like a sore thumb? I notice his audience looks similar to Trumps.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:26 pm
@revelette2,
I hope that picture is where the similarity ends.
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:52 pm
@revelette2,
Isn't it odd that Hillary doesn't get crowds close to that size, no matter what colors the color counters look for.
blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:25 pm
OK. So things are going just swimmingly in American politics.
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Match Made In Reality TV Heaven: Sarah Palin Endorses Donald Trump
http://bit.ly/1JgCU22

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Sarah Palin's Son Track Charged With Domestic Violence Monday Night
http://bit.ly/1JgCZ5P

And then there's this. Oregon militia dudes sound their "battle trumpets"
https://video-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xaf1/v/t42.1790-2/12591643_987487114649722_142379771_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjM3NiwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoidjNfNDI2X2NyZl8yM19tYWluXzMuMF9zZCJ9&rl=376&vabr=209&oh=9b58c0a67f04a80bd1b8b296d3a24dcc&oe=569EF873
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blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:32 pm
Now here's a question.

What is Bill Kristol going to say about Sarah's endorsement of Trump?
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blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:34 pm
Paul Waldman on the Palin/Trump thing...

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a yin and yang of Republican nincompoopery

http://wapo.st/1OEtn1I
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:44 pm
@blatham,
They would make a good married couple - in Alaska.
blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As it happens, just last night I watched a youtube video of BBC's Graham Norton show from 2008 where Ricky Gervais and an actress I don't know read from the script of the Sarah Palin (not really her) porn movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOdN2e5woVs
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 07:17 pm
@blatham,
I appreciate your reply. I think we agree generally on the meaning of propaganda. It is worthy of note that consistent with the meaning of the word, some of the information it contains may be true. The essential feature of propaganda is that it is designed and presumably intended to advance a particular position, viewpoint or goal, without regard to or acknowledgment of conflicting information, facts or argument and, with a generally low standard of objectivity. The goals of propaganda can in some cases be achieved merely by the selective reporting of information and sources. Indeed this is a very common feature of it.

There's a lot of propaganda out there and it comes from across the political
spectrum.

I do find it hard to believe that you thought I was confused about the meaning of the word, but I do recognize you had make an effort to characterize conservative points of view in the anayses you were putting forward, and were therefore not one-sided. My objection was that the analysis was a bit overdone and contrived, and that you appeared to me to be reading far more into it than was likely there, even to the point of suggesting some altered or deranged mental compulsions. I founbd that unjustifiably patronizing and propaganda-like.

Perfectly reasonable people can support Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump - or anyone in between, depending on their circumstances; what they want; and what they know or don't know. The issues all arise in discussions among them as folks argue about, and occasionally discover, the various different, generally unstated aspects of the issue that they considered, ignored, emphasized or discounted.

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coldjoint
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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They would make a good married couple


Just like Bill and Killary? Do you think they would help the nation would sink to the level the Clintons have dragged them down to?
blatham
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 07:24 pm
@coldjoint,
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Killary

That's the quickest "ignore user" yet.
coldjoint
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 07:33 pm
@blatham,
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That's the quickest "ignore user" yet.


Good. The junk you post from sources like Vox and TPM isn't worth reading.

And Killary fits. The buck stops at her door from Benghazi to the emails. In the real world, where you don't live, she is toast.
coldjoint
 
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Tue 19 Jan, 2016 08:01 pm
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Who’s lying, Hillary or members of several Benghazi victims’ families?


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The question all but answers itself, I should think. Here’s why it’s being asked:

On September 14, 2012, at a memorial service for the victims of the Benghazi attacks, Hillary Clinton spoke with members of the victims’ families. At least three of these people say that Clinton talked about the alleged role in the attack of a video produced by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula.

Charles Woods, the father of former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, says that Clinton blamed the video and even told him that she was going to have Nakoula arrested. Nakoula was, in fact, arrested.

Similarly, Kate Quigley, the sister of Glen Doherty, says that Clinton told her the video was to blame. “She knows that she knew what happened that day and she wasn’t truthful,” Quigley insists.

Finally, Patricia Smith, mother of Sean Smith, also insists that Clinton said the attack was because of the video. She has repeatedly accused Clinton of lying.

Clinton, however, denies saying anything about the video to these family members.

During an editorial board meeting with The Conway (N.H.) Daily Sun, Clinton was asked about an interview she recently had with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in which she denied that she told family members of the Benghazi victims during a Sept. 14, 2012 memorial service at Andrews Air Force Base that the film “Innocence of Muslims” was the catalyst for the attack. . . .

Daily Sun columnist Tom McLaughlin pressed Clinton on the conflicting claims. “Somebody is lying,” McLaughlin said during the editorial meeting. “Who is it?

“Not me, that’s all I can tell you,” Clinton replied.

But there are good reasons to conclude that it is Clinton who is lying. First, it’s three against one. Woods, Quigley, and Smith all say that Clinton blamed the video. Are all of them lying?

Second, Woods, Quigley, and Smith have no reason to make up a story about what Clinton told them. What does it get them?

Clinton, by contrast, has an excellent reason falsely to deny what they say. By September 14, the blame-the-video narrative had fallen apart. Indeed, we know that Hillary herself never bought it, having told her daughter that this was a terrorist attack.

That she nonetheless peddled the narrative to close relatives of the Benghazi victims is hugely embarrassing, and indeed disgraceful, especially for a presidential candidate. Hence, the need to deny that she peddled it.

Third, Hillary was publicly talking about the video the day before the service for the victims, and on other days shortly before and after. On September 13, she denounced the video as “disgusting and reprehensible,” and added “but as I said yesterday, there is no justification, none at all, for responding to this video with violence.” This statement certainly implies that, in her view, the violence of September 11 was a response to the video.

Three days after making these comments (and two days after the memorial service), Susan Rice, appearing on four networks, blamed the video for the Benghazi violence. That same day, Clinton aide Jake Sullivan sent her an email about Rice’s appearances. Far from disagreeing with Rice’s explanation of the Benghazi attacks, Sullivan said that Rice “did make clear our view that this started spontaneously and then evolved.”

Given Team Clinton’s embrace of the blame-the-video narrative on September 12, 13, and 16, it’s easy to credit the accounts of three witnesses who say Hillary also embraced it on September 14.

Fourth, Hillary Clinton has a long record of dishonesty. Twenty years ago, as Jonah Goldberg reminds us, William Safire wrote: “Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our first lady — a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation – is a congenital liar.” Since then, this realization has been reinforced repeatedly.

So in case my initial question didn’t answer itself, for these four reasons it seems obvious that the person who is lying about what Hillary Clinton said to the Benghazi victims’ family members is Hillary Clinton.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/whos-lying-hillary-or-members-of-several-benghazi-victims-families.php
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