When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@McGentrix,

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Was this post really creative enough to deserve a second posting in a different thread?

At a very minimum. But it arrived here as a little wave to georgeob. We've always shared a love of the military life. That's a long-standing bond between Irish Catholics from Boston who've had a career in soldiering and Mennonite Canadians who smoke reefer.

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@Blickers,

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The GOP is trying to play down that "party of Lincoln" thing

Oh, no, it is not. Though Lincoln-Republicanism gets a more pale presentation than Churchill-Republicanism. Or Avenging-Jesus-with-Uzi-Republicanism.

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@revelette2,

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It's just me being sensitive to thumbs downs.

Don't be, darling. I hardly even even note that feature and almost never use it (like, maybe twice, in many years).

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Neither Trump Nor Hillary - by Bill Kristol

I previously wrote a bunch about Kristol. If one wants to understand modern conservatism, the modern GOP, and neoconservatism, you have to have some familiarity with this guy (and if you read books, a key resource here is Nina Easton's "Gang of Five", cheap as hell at Amazon).

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If Hillary Clinton (or another Democrat) is elected president at this crucial juncture in the fate of American democracy at home and American influence abroad, it will be hard to see a constructive way forward. We will, of course, continue the fight, as Whittaker Chambers battled on though convinced he was on the losing side, as Robert Bork sought to rally us though inclined to believe we were slouching toward Gomorrah. But it will be hard to see a plausible path out of the dissolution.

It will also be hard to see a plausible path forward if the political party with whom conservatives have thrown in their lot nominates as its presidential candidate Donald Trump—a demagogue with no history of attachment to conservative principles or respect for conservative ideas. In his letter to National Review, Strauss addressed the magazine's apparent suspicion that Israel might well lose in its confrontation with neighbors who sought its destruction: "The possibility of disastrous defeat or failure is obvious and always close." But, Strauss continued, "a conservative, I take it, is a man who despises vulgarity; but the argument which is concerned exclusively with calculations of success, and is based on blindness to the nobility of the effort, is vulgar." Donald Trump is nothing if not vulgar.

Can the Republican party be saved from Donald Trump and the country from Hillary Clinton? The possibility of defeat is obvious and of failure is close. But American conservatism has overcome greater obstacles than Donald Trump and conquered more daunting adversaries than Hillary Clinton.

http://tws.io/1n8zVPn

Bill is worried about the future of the GOP and the future of the vision of conservatism championed by his father and himself. He should be.

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@blatham,

I note he didn't mention Bernie Sanders who would surely destroy the conservatism of Kristol he envision for the country. I don't see why he doesn't see the end or at least a weakened conservative vision with the increase of minorities in the country every year. I know conservatives keep saying they vote democrat because of benefits but is just not true as shown in surveys of which more conservative states receive more social benefits than more liberal states. I think it is more to do with conservative intolerance and their exclusiveness of so many groups of people, people who vote.

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@revelette2,

Richard Viguerie was co-founder of The Heritage Foundation and ALEC. Here's a youtube video of him explaining why he wanted to minimize citizens voting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

Conservatism is reactionary (as in Buckley's famous quote of stopping change). And it is intolerant, particularly as regards the redistribution of power down to the dirty masses. That's been so since the French Revolution and Burke (Corey Robin's "The Reactionary Mind" is a wonderful piece of scholarship here and he's a delightful writer).

At this point, I don't think Bill fears a Sander's victory. And I'm also certain that Bill does fear a realignment arising from demographic change.

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@revelette2,

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I don't see why he [Kristol] doesn't see the end or at least a weakened conservative vision with the increase of minorities in the country every year.

That's a huge consideration, along with the voting patterns of the young of all population groups. Face it, modern conservatism came to power when Carter seemed to not be in command, a former actor rose and played the part of strong leader, and talk radio arrived to make an army of listeners who were gradually convinced over time that the only source of news that they could trust is talk radio and fellow travellers like Drudge. That generation which got galvanized into conservatism in the eighties is now getting older and declining in numbers and power.

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@georgeob1,

Really? That is interesting that you would refer to distortions and lies.

What did the Accountability report find? It certainly didn't find that Clinton was responsible for lack of security in Benghazi. It also shows that you don't have any real knowledge of what Secretaries of State do or don't do in response to requests from Ambassadors in volatile, troubled areas.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

Any other "facts" you want to cut finer to try to assign blame where no official report has?

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There's one thing I wanted to say regarding the Benghazi thing.

When it happened, right wing media pounced immediately in their very predictable manner. Obama failing! was the initial theme. But as they ramped-up the jingoism, it became pretty clear to me in the first week of this (I wrote about it then in the venue where I was writing) that this was only peripherally about Obama. It was about Hillary who had not yet announced her candidacy but everyone presumed she would run. This was the deeper motivation in the Benghazi concentration by the right.

The reason that I (and some others) got this quickly was because I (and they) had watched right wing media closely and knew how they operated. What has followed since then (ie the House Benghazi "investigation" has gone on longer than the investigation into 9/11) just follows a playbook. Smear, smear some more, smear even more, and keep on smearing.

It is the way they play this game. Every time.

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@blatham,

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Avenging-Jesus-with-Uzi-Republicanism.

I'll admit that these guys have a soft spot in my heart.

Regarding Benghazi: You don't get to play that off as a "conservative media smear." You know DAMN well that if the same thing happened to Bush the liberal media would have been out for just as much blood. That is what politics is now and you liberals will need to come to terms with the fact that you are just as guilty of playing politics as the right is. Did 8 years of Bush fade so fast from memory of the constant **** storm spewed from the left?

Benghazi and the lies surrounding it are a proper albatross to hang around Hillary's neck. She has so many already that she will soon fall below the surface and, hopefully, never rise again.

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As much as I disrespect Hillary, there is no doubt Benghazi is just a get Hillary Republican plot. Every administration has Benghazi-like happenings, at least back to and including Reagan. Nobody made much fuss when it happened before.

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@McGentrix,

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Regarding Benghazi: You don't get to play that off as a "conservative media smear." You know DAMN well that if the same thing happened to Bush the liberal media would have been out for just as much blood. That is what politics is now and you liberals will need to come to terms with the fact that you are just as guilty of playing politics as the right is.

No. That is a set of inter-related conceptions that are necessarily held by conservatives:

- "We are victims of a media universe that is biased against conservatives. It has always favored liberalism. It is unfair and unbalanced." And yet, if one takes the time to research a measurable or quantifiable specific, a different story is revealed. For example, in Jonathan Alter's book "What Liberal Media?" he takes the time to go through decades of newspapers (from America's major cities) to find out which candidate, GOP or Dem, the editorial page supported in Presidential elections. Your thesis was not verified.

- "The left behaves exactly as we on the right behave". And yet, if one researches measureables, for just one example, court appointments blocked and approved, your thesis of symmetry is not verified.

Asymmetry in degree of extremism that now exists in the US is precisely the subject of this study and analysis http://www.civilpolitics.org/content/mann-ornstein-its-even-worse-it-looks/

I do not expect you to validate anything I've said above. For the reasons I've already set out.

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I love this so much...

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Donald Trump said Saturday that Scott Brown would be a vice president straight out of “central casting.

..“You know what? He’s central casting,” Trump replied, nodding. “Look at that guy! He’s central casting! A great guy and a beautiful wife and a great family. So important!”.”

http://wapo.st/2384ZiO

Because that's what is important. Presentation. Image. Marketing. For competent leadership in the most powerful nation in a very complex world, what you will want is a Vanity Fair cover photograph.

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Maybe she'll give it up now... Looks like she's lost or poised to lose front runner status...again.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2714665/bernie-sanders-is-starting-to-win-sanders-inspires-people-who-never-cared-before/

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@Lash,

I seriously doubt she has any intention of giving up. Granted she is taking hits and might well loose some of the early caucuses, (might not) but she will fight till the last day of the vote.

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@Lash,

New Hampshire shares a long border with Vermont, so Sanders should have a big advantage there. Your link is a pro-Sanders editorial page that just quotes pro-Sanders opinion.

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@revelette2,

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@Lash,
I seriously doubt she has any intention of giving up.

Good grief. Was that really suggested?

There are very good reasons why the Wright brothers did go madly bouncing across that field in France with one wing and one prayer.

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@blatham,

Shouldn't be too surprising, after all, this thread, "When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy," was created in April 20015. Every time Sanders gains some, or she has some bad days in the press and Sanders has some good days, they act as though Hillary is on her last "throes."

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@revelette2,

Not surprising to see it, I admit. But it is rather like reading another story of some odd Brit being caught stealing panties off a clothesline. One's response, again, is "How do people get this way?!"

Here's another instance I just bumped into...

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But perhaps the most surprising comparison came from Liberty University president, Jerry Falwell Jr., on Fox News Channel last week: “I think Trump reminds me so much of my father.”

http://theatln.tc/1RNLKaC

WTF?!

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@blatham,

Fallwell Jr. probably was making a comparison to the big brouhahas their public statements made. I can't see any other comparison.

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