When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@snood,

Weve got to find some way to spend that 5 or 6 billion dollars the two parties generate. What better way than to have a 16 month election. And I so enjoy all the tv lies.

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

just north of you, we had our longest election period in our entire history, 76 days from the election being called to voting day

and people are still complaining about how long the election ran this time Laughing

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

just north of you, we had our longest election period in our entire history, 76 days from the election being called to voting day, of course we already knew who the leaders were

Do you people have a national election....or do you still have a parliament...where the elections are just for districts...and then the majority party (or a coalition) selects the leaders?

Just want to compare apples with apples...rather than apples with tangerines.

Our local elections often take 60 days or less.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

djjd62 wrote:

just north of you, we had our longest election period in our entire history, 76 days from the election being called to voting day, of course we already knew who the leaders were

Do you people have a national election....or do you still have a parliament...where the elections are just for districts...and then the majority party (or a coalition) selects the leaders?

Just want to compare apples with apples...rather than apples with tangerines.

Our local elections often take 60 days or less.

But you don't dispute that this American way of years-long speculation driven by muckracking media that we call a national election is perverse and self defeating?

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@snood,

Our system has its chronic defects. Parliamentary systems have theirs too, invluding weak coalition governments and sometimes chronic instability. The historical record is mixed, but so far at least our system has served us well for a lot longer than have most pariamentary systems have done in other countries.

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I suppose there's a valid enough argument to be made that the mere fact of a thing's outliving other similar things speaks to intrinsic merit or value of that thing.

But there's an at least equally valid counter. Simply because something continues to exist doesn't make it good. See cockroaches and certain strains of viral infection.

My opinion is that the American way of national election is bloated with a hundred corrupt concerns (mostly related to trying to milk the process from nose to tail for every media or corporate penny) that have nothing to do with the Democratic selection of people's choice for best leader.

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@snood,

One could also level that accusation against the various groups that identify themselves as rightful beneficiaries of government benefits. The relevant attributes of human nature are the same in both cases. The corporate colalition working to preserve import restrictions on raw sugar to maintain higher than market prices for domestic producers are no different from labor unions lobbying for government enforcement of their monopolies on labor in certain industries or social security recipiants lobbying for higher benefits or relaxed standards for qualifying for disability payments; or college students lobbying for free tuition; etc. The bigger the government gets and the more it intrudes on the private economy the more this stuff will grow. Parliamentaary government hasn't done anything notable to reduce this stuff in Greece, France or a host of other governments.

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@snood,

Not at all, Snood. I despise the fact that it starts as early as it does...and I wish there were a way to stop it.

I think the nonsense of allowing Iowa to be "first" and New Hampshire "second" ought to be squelched by the major parties themselves.

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One good think about our long elections is that it allows many temporary craze phases to fade out.

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@revelette2,

Yep, the more obscure candidates need time to be exposed to our country of 300+ million and have ample time to implode or succeed. Especially when there are so many running.

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@Brand X,

Brand X wrote:

Yep, the more obscure candidates need time to be exposed to our country of 300+ million and have ample time to implode or succeed. Especially when there are so many running.

I can understand that. It does take a little time to expose whackadoos or flesh out unknowns. But the ridiculous speculation and tabloid-style "news analyst" crap that starts basically the day after a president is elected and lasts four years doesn't involve the whacky or the unknown candidates. It's all about likely candidates, and they start the harangue about who's most likely right away, and they do it every fricking day until the next election.

They only pause long enough to cover international disasters, then they're right back at it.

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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7816280?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&section=politics
Maybe now....? Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

The people, acting through their stste governments make decisions about elections, not political parties.

It is sadly bemusing to note these Freudian slips acknowkedging their basic authoritarianism on the part of self-styled "progressives". Perhaps Frank would prefer that we just crown Hillary and get on with it.

In case you ever wondered if the slaves really do learn to love their chains.

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This is where I stand after all, and until any major change in the players:
I will cast my vote for Bernie in the primary. I will support whoever is the Democratic nominee.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

The people, acting through their stste governments make decisions about elections, not political parties.

Yeah...and the states can decide whether slavery will be allowed...or whether women can vote.

Wake up, George. You are much more intelligent than that.

The federal government can set a date for the General Election. The federal government COULD set a date for the primaries also.

And they should.

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It is sadly bemusing to note these Freudian slips acknowkedging their basic authoritarianism on the part of self-styled "progressives".

Any Freudian slip you saw...you invented.

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Perhaps Frank would prefer that we just crown Hillary and get on with it.

In case you ever wondered if the slaves really do learn to love their chains.

As I have said several times...I do not care if Hillary wins the nomination or not. I just do not think Bernie Sanders will be the person beating her if she is not the winner.

I think she will win the nomination and the General Election.

You conservatives sure love to serve your Baron masters, don't ya!

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@snood,

snood wrote:

This is where I stand after all, and until any major change in the players:
I will cast my vote for Bernie in the primary. I will support whoever is the Democratic nominee.

If Bernie Sanders is the winner of the nomination...

...I will ENTHUSIASTICALLY support him.

Same with anyone else who wins the Democratic nomination...and I am not a Democrat.

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@snood,

Honoring this stand forever.

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@snood,

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and they do it every fricking day until the next election.

And what else would you talk about?

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While the left portrays their agenda items as a fight for equality in a world dominated by phobias and isms, the truth is radically different. It is all about the culmination of political power and the remaking of America. Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis on Alinsky and called it "There is Only the Fight: An Analysis of the Alinsky Model." What this title means is that the issues are only used to gain attention and that underneath the issue is the larger agenda, which is the revolution.

From the moment the organizer enters a community he lives, dreams, breathes and sleeps only one thing and that is to build the mass power base of what he calls the army. Until he has developed this mass power base he confronts no major issues. Rules For Radicals pp. 113

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Understanding Alinsky

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/11/understanding-alinsky/

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@gekko,

It doesn't matter as far as you're concerned hawkeye, because if we talked about it here, you'd show up and **** up the discussion.

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