When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

$4 million in donations. It doesn't specify who or how much for each donation. However I agree, receiving donations does not necessarily mean being on the take.

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Between July 1 and Sept. 30, Trump's campaign says it received 73,942 unsolicited donations, pumping $3.8 million into his campaign coffers. The average contribution was about $50, and 71 percent of the money came from donors giving less than $200.

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@Frank Apisa,

Got to give Lash credit Frank. She has turned some middle of the road voters into republicans who think that Saint Bernie can change water into wine. Bernie proved to me he isent as hard nosed as Hillary when he let that black colition force him off the stage rather than tell them I came here to give a speech and I am going to.

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I gotta admit, this whole election is causing me to rethink some things. Up until right now, I've probably been the closest in electoral philosophy to those who call themselves pragmatic Hillary supporters. You know, the ones who say they love Bernie, but they've got to vote with their head and not their heart. I get the whole idea that Hillary is our best bet to keep a poisonous Republican out of the Presidency.
BUT,
Bernie appeals to my sense of simple right and wrong. He's right on practically everything, and he's not just giving lip service to these issues - he's been pretty consistent for a long time. And it's not just the purity and the lack of any discernible stench of corruption. It's things like the fact that he's gotten more individual donations than anyone in any campaign in US history. It's the fact that he's inspiring a whole different kind of coalition. Just the other day, he got the endorsement of a black voice I highly respect - former State Senator Nina Turner. Thus is a woman who is no-bullshit personified. And she just switched from Hillary to Bernie.

I DO NOT TAKE THIS CHOICE FOR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE LIGHTLY. I think it would be disastrous beyond imagination to pick wrong, and thereby let the Kochs and kooks install a snake in the white house.

And Hillary doesn't help matters when she does things like tell bogus stories about attempting to enlist in the marines. It's insignificant ****, but it just adds to the weight of distrust I already had.

I don't know, people. I'm wanting to be true to myself and for today anyway, being true to myself feels more like supporting Bernie first, THEN Hillary if she's nominated, instead of the other way around.

But we'll just have to see.

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@snood,

I understand and agree with much of what you said there, Snood.

I am reminded though of the question: What do you call the person who graduated dead last in his/her class at a Medical School?

You call him/her...Doctor!

If your candidate loses because the country has shown ample evidence it is not ready for someone self-identified as a "socialist"...nor are they ready for an economic system that comes close to "socialism"...what do you call that candidate after the election?

You call that person...the loser!

I love the guy...that is not a slogan.

I LOVE the policies he stands for ...although I think he has a snowball's chance in Hell of every implementing even some of the minor changes he envisions.

But if he is the Democratic nominee in November 2016...he will doom all those policies and all the progressive agenda by losing...and allowing a Republican to gain access to the SCOTUS nominations coming up...

...which remain the one thing out of Republican hands.

Do what you have to do.

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I really don't want to recycle and rerun the whole discussion, repeating the same points, but I will say this. You are as sure as someone can be ( without BELIEVING. or KNOWING, of course) that Bernie has no chance of winning a general election. Whatever ironclad case you could make, it is still just an opinion. And although that opinion is shared by a large number of would-be-Bernie-supporters-who-are-voting-their-minds-not-their-hearts, it is an opinion to which there is a valid counterpoint that cannot be discarded. That counterpoint is simply this: Bernie's candidacy has superceded all expectations and broken neo electoral Terra. Similar things -"The country isn't ready", "Snowballs chance in hell"- were said about Obama, and they were dead wrong. If everyone who is scared that their vote for Bernie is a guarantee of a Republican president simply came out and supported Bernie, no one - you included Frank - knows if those votes could carry the day.

I will do what I need to do and will live with the decision.

I don't totally know what that is yet, but I am working at keeping an open mind.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I think he has a snowball's chance in Hell of every implementing even some of the minor changes he envisions.

If anyone else had written that Frank, you'd call it a blind guess.

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@snood,

I'm reading similar statements on various social media from other people who take this issue gravely seriously. These decisions revitalize my hope in the human spirit and in my country. I don't know how this will ultimately shake out for you, but I have very deep respect for this step in your process.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I think he has a snowball's chance in Hell of every implementing even some of the minor changes he envisions.

If anyone else had written that Frank, you'd call it a blind guess.

I would not call it a blind guess...but I would call it a guess. (There is plenty of evidence to suggest it is not a blind guess...albeit a guess.)

And I have no problem acknowledging it as a guess.

Anyone here who thinks that taking the chance with Bernie Sanders...considering the STRONG opposition to Socialism in this country...is okay because of considerations of principle...go for it!

I'm sure you will have all sorts of reasons why it made sense if it flies up and bites you on the butt on Election Day (which I GUESS it would.)

At no point, by the way, did I ever suggest to ANYONE, ANYWHERE...that Obama had no chance.

If you cannot see the difference between America's attitude toward race...and its attitude toward the word "socialism"...YOU ARE BLIND.

Liberal politicians do not even tout their liberalism, because they see the danger in doing that. And you guys think a self-identified Socialist will do okay.

Beats me what you are thinking about, but you oughta re-think.

In any case, Sanders is not going to get that nomination. (Yeah, that is a guess...but I am willing to put money where my mouth is on that.)

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@RABEL222,

So, you would have respected Bernie more if he'd run the black women off his stage aggressively? Maybe he could have had the cops drag them away. Because what right do they have to be heard...? (nods)

Hillary had protesters forcibly removed at least once; locked the out another time. That's how you like to see it done?

Take a look at the GOP candidates. I think you'd like them even more.

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@RABEL222,

Don't bother on this, Rabel...

...Lash is a plant.

She is describing Bernie Sanders in a way so that should he run and lose...she will be able to come back and laugh at everyone who supported her.

She was a conservative before...she is a conservative now. Her plan is to give the Republicans the best possible chance to win.

There are lots like her out there...and I understand where they are coming from. I want to give the Democrats the best chance to win...so I often push for Trump or Cruz to my Republican friends.

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@Frank Apisa,

You're a psycho.

"a plant."

I laughed when I first saw it. Is this how you deal with your world? You can't or won't face the truth about your candidate, so in the face of critical information, you are forced to attack the person shining a light on information you just can't deal with? What a very small man.

Rabel showed HIS TRUE COLORS when he said Bernie should've given those women the bum's rush. No bullshit you try to change the subject with changes that reality.

He sounds very insensitive to the lives of a large segment of our society, and your candidate manifests that attitude.

What does that say about you two?

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@Frank Apisa,

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she's a plant

Know that for a fact, Frank? She's not my favorite person here but she's a fa-a-a-a-a-r cry from the worst. She posts mostly good links and few of them go to fringe sites.

Do you seriously think the Teafringe pays people to try to talk people out of voting for any candidates? Heck there's only twenty people at most who post here regularly. Discounting the gunga's the baldinos, tonyRMs, hawkshites, that leaves around twelve or fifteen of us? But say twenty plus the nitwits.

What's the percentage of going after votes that mostly get canceled by their trolls and nitwits anyway? I think you give us too much credit.

I'm supporting Bernie to at least the Convention. I have very serious and legitimate concerns about a lot of Hillary positions I can lay out quietly and have laid out before. And I have problems with Bernies age. I have very serious problems with Bernie's unqualified support of Israel and poor record of support for Palestine and Palestinians rights.

Seriously, calm down a little bit.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

You're a psycho.

"a plant."

I laughed when I first saw it. Is this how you deal with your world? You can't or won't face the truth about your candidate, so in the face of critical information, you are forced to attack the person shining a light on information you just can't deal with? What a very small man.

Rabel showed HIS TRUE COLORS when he said Bernie should've given those women the bum's rush. No bullshit you try to change the subject with changes that reality.

He sounds very insensitive to the lives of a large segment of our society, and your candidate manifests that attitude.

What does that say about you two?

You calling me a psycho...is like Chris Christie calling me a fatso!

You either are a plant...or one of the most naive people ever.

But considering that at one time you were considered to be an extreme conservative by lots of people here...I think it is not naivete at work. I think the defeat of the Dem ticket is what you have in mind.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Know that for a fact, Frank. She's not my favorite person here but she's a fa-a-a-a-a-r cry from the worst. She posts good link and few of them go to fringe sites.

Do you seriously think the Teafringe pays people to try to talk people out of voting any candidates. Heck there's only twenty people at most who post here regularly. Discounting the gunga's the baldinos, tonyRMs, hawkshites, that leaves around twelve or fifteen of us? But say twenty plus the nitwits.

What's the percentage of going after votes that mostly get canceled their trolls and nitwits? I think you give us too much credit.

I'm supporting Bernie to at least the Convention. I have very serious and legitimate concerns about Hillary positions I can lay out quietly and have laid out before. And I have problems with Bernies age. I have very serious problems with Bernie's unqualified support of Israel and poor record of support for Palestine and Palestinians rights.

Seriously, calm down a little bit.

I think the world of Bernie Sanders, Bobsal...but he has sucked the oxygen from the room as far as reasonable opposition to Hillary Clinton is concerned.

Because of that, he was one of the best things that ever happened to her campaign.

I will, however, try to cool it.

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@Frank Apisa,

I think its a least arguable that he's made her aware of a sizable segment of Democratic voters that are markedly progressive if not out and out liberal. I'm willing to believe at least some of her tack to some "right" issues had to do with trying to lock down her election. But there are several important issues she needs to let us understand her thinking on. For example:

How does she think recommending the reduction of cannabis from a Class 1 (with Heroin) to Class 2 (with Cocaine) is any sort of improvement?

And I'd like to hear it from her and not any of her surrogates. Shes the one who wants my vote.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Bobsal - I'd like to understand if people can accurately criticize Bernie for his Israel policy. I have read and watched some of his tense moments on the Israel/Pal issue, but I haven't found fault with him yet.

Please share your criticism.

Here's something to look at.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Where-does-Bernie-Sanders-the-Jewish-candidate-for-president-stand-on-Israel-412448

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@snood,

As you know, that's where I'm at, have been most of the election cycle, except for the odd "not sure" few weeks a while back re Biden because of what I thought was a combo of electability + a believably likable person; at the time I didn't fully get how much of a righty he is/was, relative to my own views.

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@Lash,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 6068111)
You're a psycho.

Psycho? Cranky sometimes. Count to ten next time, please? Frank is certainly not a psycho.

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@bobsal u1553115,

He accused me of being a plant by the GOP. That is psychotic. He knows I was here before the move from Raven's Realm.

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@Lash,

I'm embarrassed.

I'm not finding any documentation regarding my extreme summation of what I thought and what I thought I had read about Bernie Sanders and Israel/Palestine.

I need to revisit the information.

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