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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 03:04 pm
Sarah Silverman: "Look, I Love Hillary Too, But Goldman-Sachs OWNS HER"

~snip~

Her humor is calibrated to the times, especially these days with the presidential campaign going full throttle and candidates trundling across the nation like a beguiling smorgasbord. She said Hillary Rodham Clinton is "strong and bold on women's issues," including equal pay, an enduring topic in Hollywood most recently raised by Jennifer Lawrence. "Women deserve equal pay to men. It seems so trite to say it," Silverman said. "It's bizarre."

But she's passionate about Bernie Sanders, who, like her, is another New England Jew who speaks his mind even if it's always not popular.

"Bernie is the only politician not for sale," she said. "Look, I love Hillary too, but Goldman-Sachs owns her. She might as well be wearing race car driver (logos). ... Everybody's for sale, and here's this guy who's been a senator for a million years from Vermont who is just simply not for sale." She lowered her voice and smiled, "When I met him I said, 'Keep the Jewish thing down for as long as you can.'"

http://www.theolympian.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/article41429820.html
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 03:40 pm
My prediction for 2016:

Hillary Clinton edges out Marco Rubio in a squeaker.

I understand that many consider this race to be a bummer so far.

Personally, I think it is one of the most interesting campaign beginnings ever.



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Lash
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 05:54 pm
@snood,
You were talking about McG's "sordid depths" that I "so eagerly and greatly appreciated."

You also called it a "low brow smearing."

McG brought a lot of satire. Didn't quite hit the mark of sordid depths, I didn't think. I was mentioning that my beloved Bernie was featured in McG's satire-a-thon sitting in front of a hammer and sickle - and people who complain about satire and criticism of their candidate should probably recall when they've done the same thing rather than become indignant.

The allusion to Bernie's "Communism" smarted when I first saw it - but don't you think the old guard should've toughened a bit by now?
snood
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 06:03 pm
@Lash,
McG's "satire" was talking about dogs peeing on Mexicans. I stand by what I called it, and how I characterized your response. I had nothing to do with any smear on Bernie, so I still won't respond to that.
Lash
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 06:09 pm
@ehBeth,
I was making the same point you made yourself.

Quote:

that's pretty much how it worked out in the Canadian federal election this week. piles of attack ads on Trudeau. not ready, blah blah blah.

he showed up at the debates, did very well. nobody believed anything else in the attack ads. the liberals blew everyone out of the water in the election.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 06:10 pm
Quote:
It’s great that we’re more aware of bigotry than we used to be. But we should also beware false claims of bigotry: the race card, the sex card, the homophobia card. In 1991, Clarence Thomas, a well-connected federal judge, evaded sexual harassment allegations and won confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court by accusing his interrogators of a “high-tech lynching for uppity blacks.” Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, says anyone who advocates a boycott of his country “should be treated exactly as we treat any anti-Semite or bigot.” Sexism, racism, and anti-Semitism are real. But sometimes they’re fabricated.

That’s what Clinton is doing. She’s misrepresenting an exchange that took place at the Oct. 13 Democratic presidential debate. During the exchange, Clinton accused Sanders of voting with the gun lobby. Sanders replied: “All the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence.” Sanders argued that people on both sides of the gun debate should agree to “strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole,” “deal with the straw-man purchasing issue,” and “address the issue of mental health.”
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On social media, Clinton’s campaign made the new line—“When women talk, some people think we’re shouting”— her message of the day. Her team posted it on her Twitter feed at 8:30 Friday morning, two hours before her speech to the DNC forum, as a rebuke to “those who tell her to ‘stop shouting’ on issues that matter.” The quote also went up on her Facebook page and her campaign website, under the headline, “Hillary Clinton Just Said Something Women Have Been Thinking for Years.” The next day, at a Democratic dinner in Iowa, Clinton repeated the applause line: “I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting. But sometimes, when a woman speaks out, some people think it’s shouting. But I won’t be silenced, and I hope you won’t be either.”

Clinton doesn’t use Sanders’ name when she tells this story. She doesn’t have to: Everyone who saw the debate or heard about it knows she’s talking about him. She’s using the story to bond with women, to paint Sanders as a patronizing old fart, and to portray herself as a victim.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html

Hillary being an underhanded/mean/dishonest/scumbag bitch ain't shocking anyone one hopes......
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Lash
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 06:58 pm
@snood,
You had nothing to do with any of the smears, but you talked about them. Why single one out to intentionally refuse to speak about?

Not that I want you to - it's just so odd that you take such pains to avoid that one.

snood
 
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Mon 26 Oct, 2015 10:09 pm
@Lash,
I didn't bring it up.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 05:54 am
@snood,
Only a minor inconvenience, you may well have been thinking about it.
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woiyo
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 06:09 am
@Frank Apisa,
You have very low standards. Keep electing the same types of people and you get the same results.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 06:42 am
Let's Be Clear. Hillary Does Support Monsanto & GMO's

Nice article by Manny letting us know that Hillary is not on Monsanto's Board of Directors:
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/no-hillary-clinton-does-not-work-for-monsanto/

But, don't let this suggest she is not in support of Monsanto and GMO's. She very much is.

People like to say "GMO's are healthy for us - there is no evidence they are not" However, the World Health Organization in March (2015) declared Roundup a probable human carcinogen.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/health-agency-says-widely-used-herbicide-likely-carcinogenic-1426885547

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations has this to say:
http://www.fao.org/english/newsroom/focus/2003/gmo8.htm

What they really want to avoid discussing is their effect on the planet.

Here's a good article that Art_from_Ark found:
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/08/27/opinion/contributors/when-it-comes-to-gmos-which-side-is-hillary-clinton-on/

Clip:
There are three glaring problems with Clinton’s promotion of GE drought-resistant crops. First, drought-resistant seeds and crops are still in the experimental stage and make up a miniscule portion of GMO crops on the market. More than 95 percent of GE crops are corn, soy, alfalfa, canola and sugar beets, used in animal feed and in processed food products, such as high-fructose corn syrup. These crops are engineered to produce their own Bt toxins in every cell or else to withstand massive doses of herbicides, such as Monsanto’s Roundup, which are sold to farmers as companions to their GMO seeds.

Second, attempts to engineer seeds to thrive during droughts largely have failed. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, Monsanto’s DroughtGard, the only drought-resistant crop approved by the USDA so far, produces “only modest results, and only under moderate drought conditions.”

Third, according to experts at global organizations, such as the Food & Agriculture Organization, the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, and the Alliance for Food Sovereignty, a transition to sustainable, regenerative agriculture — not genetic engineering — is not only the most practical way to feed the world but is absolutely essential if we want to slow and eventually reverse global warming.

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It's time we take a stand and work towards a better solution that is sustainable.

Creating Tastier and Healthier Fruits and Veggies with a Modern Alternative to GMOs
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/creating-tastier-and-healthier-fruits-and-veggies-with-a-modern-alternative-to-gmos/

Say what you want but, the whole world seems to be coming to the same conclusion.

GMO acceptance in decline as global crop cultivation falls
http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/GM-acceptance-in-decline-as-global-crop-cultivation-falls
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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 07:00 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

You have very low standards.


No, I have high standards. Although when discussing things on the Internet, I sometimes have to lower them.

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Keep electing the same types of people and you get the same results.


We ALL will continue to elect the same types of people, Woiyo. That is what so many of you folk do not get.

We ALL will continue to elect human beings to those offices...and humans being have all the faults we find so objectionable in our elected officials.
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snood
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 07:22 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

You have very low standards. Keep electing the same types of people and you get the same results.

That's a very high-minded sentiment, but things just are not so simple as just voting one's conscience. I understand the thought behind Frank's choice - it's the same thought process by which many others have come to the same choice. Namely, Bernie is more ideologically and even morally pure, but Hillary has the best chance of actually beating the Republicans. There's no way around it. I can either vote to feel clean and more true to myself and my beliefs. OR, I can vote for someone I have misgivings about, but has the best chance of fighting to maintain the progress we've made, and fight the regression and repeal and intolerance and heinous SCOTUS appointments.

It's just not so simple as an ultimatum about voting for the purest of heart.
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ossobuco
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 09:23 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I can get Republicans not liking Hillary C. I'm for her, but I'm not at my most enthusiastic, except as against Rpubs and the presidency.

To clarify, since I see what I said there on the last page is unclear - my favorite is still Bernie; however, as I've said before, if she is the nominee, I'll be voting for her.
engineer
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 09:48 am
@ossobuco,
I don't have any issues voting for Sanders and very few qualms about voting for Clinton, certainly none that are personality based. I've never really understood the whole "I don't like them" argument. What is comes down to is I'm going to be presented with two candidates in November. My sole criteria for voting is which one will be better for the country. I only care if they drink or smoke or love their dog as it pertains to my perception of their ability to run the country. I don't have to like Clinton (which is good because I've never met her). I don't care if Sanders is someone who would be great to have a beer with. I don't really even care if I find them particularly trustworthy. Maybe Sanders will flip on the Keystone XL. Clinton has already flipped on the TPP. Ok, but they are still IMO better options for the country than their current opposition.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 27 Oct, 2015 12:22 pm
@engineer,
She needs to flip or evolve on a bunch more.

If she gets the nod I will vote for her, but I support Bernie into the Convention.
Lash
 
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Wed 28 Oct, 2015 04:47 am
@bobsal u1553115,
She'll flip on more.

Right before the primary.

And flip back afterwards.
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Lash
 
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Wed 28 Oct, 2015 04:47 am
@bobsal u1553115,
She'll flip on more.

Right before the primary.

And flip back afterwards.
engineer
 
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Wed 28 Oct, 2015 05:02 am
@Lash,
Even if that is true, I find her better than Rubio, et al. If she is your choice in November and you really believe in the positions that Sanders supports, then hold your nose and vote for her. It doesn't really matter if you like her.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 28 Oct, 2015 06:24 am
[youtube]Gov. Abbott’s M.O. – Raid First, Ask Questions Later
The theatrically public “raids” on several Planned Parenthood clinics around Texas last Thursday, October 22nd, were an escalation in Gov. Greg Abbott’s misguided crusade to shut down the nonprofit healthcare provider that has operated in the state for over 75 years.

They were not only a repeat of a tactic that has worked for him once before, but part of a sordid and shameful nationwide strategy of letting lies, drama, and innuendo stand in for due process when it comes to effective, but politically charged, nonprofit organizations.

In 2010, Abbott’s Office of the Attorney General ordered needlessly hostile raids on two offices of a voter registration project, Houston Votes, being operated by the nonprofit Texans Together. Needlessly hostile because, had a subpoena merely been served, the organization would have immediately turned over records; instead, teams of agents swooped into offices, hauling off boxes of files and computers, intimidating staff members.

Voter registration is a legally permissible activity for nonprofits, but Abbott, acting on “tips” from the highly partisan Tea Party activists, King Street Patriots, went after the organization by assigning one of his least experienced attorneys to question senior staff from Houston Votes. One of those “tips” was the assertion that Houston Votes was worse then ACORN.

Read more: http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/31241/gov-abbotts-m-o-raid-first-ask-questions-later[/youtube]
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