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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Oct, 2015 11:35 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Hey stupid asshole. I was in a union while your moma was changing your dippers. And not just one but several and they protected me from assholes like you more than once. Youve got to be the kind that would fire someone for just disagreeing with you. Ive known many assholes like you in my life. But I guess my 55 years of belonging to a union dosent compare with your 5 years. I'll bet you started in the union and transfered to a company job. Most union transfers to company develop a hatred for unions because they stop you from being a tyrant.


Funny because the two unions I was a member of usually protected assholes who should have been fired, but who because of the the unions stuck around and made my life harder.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. You know that many have gone where I have, but you will never tell the truth, because reality conflicts with your politics and it is clear from your writing which one must be sacrificed.

Let there be no mistake: I am a better man than you are.
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 16 Oct, 2015 11:56 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

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I was for about 5 years.


I was for over 30 years. But when I joined, I had to. Also they were run by organized crime then, not asshole progressives and Communists.



I had no choice either, on either job, and had we felt like had we had a choice neither shops would have been in the union, We saw union people now and then but they rarely added to our lives, usually they subtracted.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 05:42 am
Oops! The White House Just Called Hillary Out! Caught in a lie?


During Tuesday’s Democratic primary debate, presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton spoke out against the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement that the Obama administration has put forward.

”I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard. It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn’t meet my standards,” she said on the stage in Las Vegas. “My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans.”


Oops is right:

Those comments were called into question the next day by the same White House Clinton used to serve.

Apparently, they’re patently false. White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Wednesday that no one in the public has seen the agreement because it has not been yet made available for review.

At a White House news briefing, Earnest was asked point-blank by a reporter: “Is it possible that Clinton’s actually looked at it? because I thought it hasn’t been made public?”


Of course that is a problem in itself, that it has NOT been seen by the public. But that's another topic.

Meantime, Hillary appears to be remembering doing something which, according to the White House, never happened.

Seems to be some tension between Hillary and the White House.
parados
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 06:06 am
@hawkeye10,
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I tend to run ahead of the herd, I notice new things that are going on far before most people for the most part, and I tend to have a deeper richer understanding than most of old things things that are going on. That ain't bragging, that is reality.

That's some funny **** hawkeye.
You were telling us a few years ago how gold was going to take off and climb higher and higher. It ended up going down about 40% since then.
hawkeye10 wrote:

GOLD HITS $1900!

http://able2know.org/topic/47327-886#post-4708237
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Buying gold at these prices is not irrational if the rational determination has been made that the current global economic system is highly unstable and is likely to collapse.



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For instance I was talking about Washington being broken over 5 years ago on A2K

Telling us Washington is broken is not new or ahead of the herd. People were saying Washington was broken 50 and 100 years ago.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 07:13 am
@parados,
Quote:

http://able2know.org/topic/47327-886#post-4708237
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Buying gold at these prices is not irrational if the rational determination has been made that the current global economic system is highly unstable and is likely to collapse.


Have you ever read a dumber Hawkeye quote?????

If the rational determination is that the global economic system is going to collapse, buying gold is exactly the wrong thing to do.

If the determination is that a national or regional economy is going to collapse and that other portions of the world economy will remain stable, then buy some gold.
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revelette2
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 09:18 am
@bobsal u1553115,
It is a small point which unfortunately will be overlooked but it is typical of her. The Trade agreement is not popular right now among the democrats so she has to change her position and put some kind of justification behind it even apparently if she has to make it up out of whole cloth. Also unfortunately, she is really the only one in position right now to win whether some want to face it not. I wish she was not so poll driven.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:15 am
Warren vs. Clinton. It's Eye-Opening. Heartbreaking.

If you haven't already done so, please watch this clip form Bill Moyers' show, from 2004. It pretty much encapsulates everything Bernie supporters have been saying about the selling out of Hillary Clinton.

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:18 am
@revelette2,
I support Bernie Sanders because the worst that will happen is that Hillary Clinton is pushed into at least a more progressive, evolved positions.
coldjoint
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:30 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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more progressive, evolved positions.


Evolved on paper and disastrous in practice.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:41 am
@coldjoint,
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anything carpfart posts


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:42 am
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coldjoint
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 10:49 am
@bobsal u1553115,

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izzythepush
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 12:17 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
I tend to run ahead of the herd, I notice new things that are going on far before most people for the most part, and I tend to have a deeper richer understanding than most of old things things that are going on. That ain't bragging, that is reality.

That's some funny **** hawkeye.
You were telling us a few years ago how gold was going to take off and climb higher and higher. It ended up going down about 40% since then.
hawkeye10 wrote:

GOLD HITS $1900!


When Hawkeye talked of a herd, he might have meant a herd of lemmings.
coldjoint
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 02:19 pm
@izzythepush,
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When Hawkeye talked of a herd, he might have meant a herd of lemmings.


You mean the herd Cameron is leading?
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 17 Oct, 2015 05:12 pm
@parados,
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Telling us Washington is broken is not new or ahead of the herd. People were saying Washington was broken 50 and 100 years ago.

I did not say it was a new argument, I said that I adopted the belief before the herd did, and further I will say that guys like me who were making the argument that Washington is broken were victorious in the arena of ideas. It is now conventional wisdom. Very few people believed it when I started making the claim pre Great Recession.

Re Gold

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Gold/Gold_inflation.jpg

Yes gold trading today off about 45% inflation adjusted from its 2011 peak but I have not changed my mind that gold prices indicate instability in the global financial system, nor that the global financial system is doomed. Governments are having some success selling their bromides that they can save the day by gorging on debt and also by manipulating currencies so interest in gold is off at the moment, but that con job seems to be coming to an end. Furthermore the lack of faith in the establishment that drove up gold during the Carter years is what propelled Reagan to the POTUS chair, and we are likewise very likely to see that same dynamic put someone like Trump or Sanders in the chair. Given that gun accumulation out of economic fear is if anything accelerating I am confident that our current high by historical standards gold prices have a much better chance of trending higher than lower.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 18 Oct, 2015 07:29 am

6 Signs That Show the New Hillary Is Still the Old Hillary
Speaking like a progressive, but tacking to the center.

By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
October 15, 2015

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During Tuesday’s Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton tried to display a new and more progressive version of the Hillary Americans have seen for years, as First Lady, U.S. senator, 2008 presidential candidate and Secretary of State.

Clinton certainly triumphed on the style side. She was composed, confident and articulate, and she deftly criticized Bernie Sanders on a range of issues without sounding too strident or caustic. But what about substance? Is Clinton newly progressive on some issues or mostly defending centrist status quo as before?
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The verdict, according to a range of progressive analysts, is that Clinton is talking a more progressive game than her policy prescriptions would deliver. This is true for some of the bigger issues: expanding Social Security, regulating Wall Street, reforming criminal justice, the latest Pacific rim trade agreement, and that being a woman makes her the “outsider” candidate.

Let’s take a look at six issues that highlight the style-v.-substance gap.

1. Expanding Social Security. As Isaiah J. Poole wrote at the Campaign for America’s Future, “Unless you listened carefully, you might have missed the expanse of daylight between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders when asked about their plans for Social Security at the CNN Democratic debate Tuesday. It’s a gap that is alarming people who are fighting to protect and strengthen Social Security.”

Clinton was asked if she would support Sanders' plan to increase Social Security benefits, which would come from the amount the wealthy pay toward the program from their income taxes. Only the first $118,000 is taxed.

Clinton said she strongly supported Social Security and opposed privatization efforts, but when asked if she would raise benefits, replied, “I want to enhance the benefits for the poorest recipients of Social Security… particularly widowed and single women.”

As Poole wrote, “What alarmed Social Security activists is that underneath Clinton’s positive language—‘fully support, ‘enhance’ —appears to lie support for policies, including from leading conservatives like Pete Peterson—that would actually undermine Social Security.”

Republican Paul Ryan, the House Ways and Means Committee chair, uses the same language to protest the poorest people, but “would reduce benefits for the top 70 percent of wage earners while maintaining benefits for the bottom 30 percent,” Poole said. “The last thing we need right now is to fear a Trojan horse from a presidential candidate who says she ‘fully supports’ Social Security.”

2. Wall Street reformer? Clinton and Sanders each claimed they would take a tougher line with Wall Street practices that undermined the economy and upended millions of lives—such as pushing mortgage-backed securities. But speaking on Democracy Now!, 2016 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein said that while Clinton might toughen some oversight, she would not reinstate a law repealed by her husband, President Bill Clinton, which created a new world of risky markets.

“She’s sort of talking out of both sides of her mouth: She wants to go against Wall Street, but she won’t support [reviving] Glass-Steagall,” Stein said. “Glass-Steagall being the law that separated speculative banking from everyday consumer banking and…prevents banks from taking risks at consumers’ burden… it prevents bailouts from going forward. So, you know, Glass-Steagall was repealed under the Clinton administration and needs to be brought back. But Senator Clinton does not support it.”

3. Criminal justice and prison reformer? During one of the few exchanges on criminal justice—when legalizing marijuana came up—Clinton said, “We have got to stop imprisoning people… We need more states, cities, and the federal government to begin to address this so that we don't have this terrible result that Senator Sanders was talking about where we have a huge population in our prisons for nonviolent, low-level offenses that are primarily due to marijuana.”

According to the Marshall Project, an investigative journalism website tracking criminal justice, only a very small percentage of prison overcrowding is due to nonviolent drug offenses. In 2014, only 3.6 percent of people in state prison were there for drug offenses, and 0.3 percent were in federal prison for pot. “As TPM’s Dana Goldstein pointed out, any attempt to cut incarceration by as much as 50 percent—the target of some reformers—will require shorter sentences not just for marijuana, not just for drugs, and not just for crimes considered nonviolent,” the Marshall Project wrote. “But that’s not an easy sell during a highly competitive campaign season.”

Did Clinton intentionally leave out the toughest part of prison reform in her debate comments? It’s hard to know. But there were other instances where she selectively edited or recast history to avoid bolder stances or to duck revealing responses.

4. It’s not just those "damn emails." As Sanders said, enough with covering her use of a private email server while Secretary of State. When asked, Clinton replied, “What I did was allowed by the State Department.” But FactCheck.org has repeatedly noted “that’s not the full story,” saying she didn’t follow the rules on turning over her records for “nearly two years after she left office.”

This issue is about judgment more than following the fine print of State Department regulation. Her defense was evasive before she said she had erred and let's move on. During the debate, she also ducked answers on U.S. military action in the Middle East by saying President Obama made the decisions. That may be true, but doesn't quite give the full picture.

“Clinton has largely sidestepped her tenure at Foggy Bottom on the campaign trail, preferring to focus on domestic issues,” wrote Politico.com. “But she seemed energized by the back-and-forth on global affairs, making no apologies for her record.” In other words, it’s not clear how hawkish she would be as president, especially compared to 2008 when one of her first TV ads featured a red phone ringing in the White House at 3am, with Hillary ready to deal with whatever was happening on the other end.

5. The outsider: really? It's hard to believe that one of the world's most famous and powerful women sees herself as an outsider in the race. But she does, rejecting moderator Anderson Cooper’s contention that she was asking Democrats to vote for an insider. Clinton replied, “Well, I can’t think of anything that's more outsider than electing the first woman president, but I’m not just running because I would be the first woman president. I’m running because I have a lifetime of experience and getting results and fighting for people, fighting for kids, for women, for families, fighting to even the odds.”

Everybody knows Clinton would be the first woman president—it was one of her top rallying points in 2008. And for many women who grew up with her in the 1970s and '80s, this is very compelling: they are tired of waiting for their turn to be in power. But other feminists feel it’s an insufficient selling point, and more yesterday than today.

6. The Trans-Pacific Partnership. At the debate, Cooper cited how Clinton had revised her position on the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement and asked, “Will you say anything to get elected?" She replied no, saying she “hoped” the TPP would be a “gold standard” but the final just-released document did not meet her standards. FactCheck.org, which traces candidate's positions and records, said that Clinton has solidly supported the TPP for a long time.

It quoted her remarks from Australia in 2012: “This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field.” They cited similar remarks days later in Singapore, but noted that she reserved final judgment in her 2014 book, Hard Choices. “Clinton wasn’t qualifying her support for the plan back in 2012," they wrote. "She didn’t say she ‘hoped’ it would be a ‘gold standard.’ She said it was a gold standard.”

But that was three years ago, and she's had time to reconsider.

These six issues bring us back to the key question: how much has Hillary Clinton changed as she makes her second run for president? Is she really a more confident progressive in 2015? Or is she a centrist talking like a progressive?

The Verdict?

A range of progressive commentators are still skeptical. They mostly see a status quo-defending centrist, not someone aiming at deeper change. It’s not an illusion to seek systemic change. When Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall, it restructured the financial system and not for the betterment of the nation and world economy. Obviously, one cannot compare Hillary Clinton to any of the reactionary Republicans running for the presidency. But in the Democratic primary, she still has a way to go to convince the party’s activist grassroots that she has their back.

Steven Rosenfeld covers national political issues for AlterNet, including America's retirement crisis, democracy and voting rights, and campaigns and elections. He is the author of "Count My Vote: A Citizen's Guide to Voting" (AlterNet Books, 2008).
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 18 Oct, 2015 07:40 am
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Lash
 
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Sun 18 Oct, 2015 09:18 am
@bobsal u1553115,
That is most definitely NOT the worst thing that will happen.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 19 Oct, 2015 05:33 am
Top Dem Slams Benghazi Committee Chair For False Claim Against Hillary Clinton
Source: HuffingtonPost



Top Dem Slams Benghazi Committee Chair For False Claim Against Hillary Clinton
Democrats have alleged that the committee is primarily focused on damaging Clinton.

Marina Fang
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post

Posted: 10/18/2015 07:59 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- The top Democrat on the committee investigating the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, called out the committee's chair on Sunday for advancing a claim against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the CIA later proved false.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, alleged in an Oct. 7 letter that Clinton used her private email account to release the name of a CIA source on Libya. An email sent by adviser Sidney Blumenthal that she then forwarded to a member of her staff reportedly contained the name of that source, which would have suggested that Clinton used her private email server to disseminate classified information.
Bill Clark via Getty Images

But on Sunday, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), the committee's ranking member, revealed that the CIA investigated the email and found that the information was not classified.

"The CIA yesterday informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified. Specifically, the CIA confirmed that the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information," Cummings said in a letter to Gowdy............





Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-benghazi-cia_562414f3e4b0bce3470122c5?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016§ion=politics
snood
 
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Mon 19 Oct, 2015 12:01 pm
This is the kind of thing the frikkin' GOP thinks of as good politics:

This GOP congressman already wants to impeach Hillary Clinton.

In a recent talk radio interview, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) vowed that he would make sure Clinton's email issues would follow her to the Oval Office — and cut her time there short.


http://theweek.com/speedreads/584054/2016-election-385-days-away-gop-congressman-already-wants-impeach-hillary-clinton
 

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