A Dialogue on the infamous “N” word

The younger generation does not always have those same associations.

understand why they don't share it.

you know a very different group of young people than I do

Thank you, I have already read the thread and its contents.

you know a very different group of young people than I do

In the context of this thread, the "thing" is the word.

You have strong emotions associated with this word, for reasons which are completely legitimate and perfectly understandable.

The younger generation does not always have those same associations. You want them to have them, to share them with you. Of course, you could also share their feelings with them. But I think you are treating the issue as though the pain is due to the word itself, which is why you feel that they must adopt and assume your pain, rather than you undertaking to understand why they don't share it.

I forgot to mention this.
Slavery is a form of abuse.
All forms of abuse have psychological ramifications

If you think that this so called pain you have come to name it, is due to the word itself then you have either misconstrued or misread all that I have said.

The word provokes emotions, emotions of pain and hurt for older generations, emotions that seem to be lacking among the consciousness of youth. ... when they do know [the history of the word] it’s still kind of like ‘That doesn’t have anything to do with me. That was then.’ They don’t really have an emotional connection to the word....A lot of them don’t know that it’s negative. And if they do know it’s negative, they don’t really care that it’s negative

Well, Arg, at this point I don't know who is understanding who. I certainly do NOT think the pain is due to the "word itself." And I have already said that your pain is completely understandable and perfectly legitimate. We don't disagree on that at all.

You have strong emotions associated with this word, for reasons which are completely legitimate and perfectly understandable.

The younger generation does not always have those same associations. You want them to have them, to share them with you. Of course, you could also share their feelings with them. But I think you are treating the issue as though the pain is due to the word itself, which is why you feel that they must adopt and assume your pain, rather than you undertaking to understand why they don't share it.

Well, Arg, at this point I don't know who is understanding who. I certainly do NOT think the pain is due to the "word itself." And I have already said that your pain is completely understandable and perfectly legitimate. We don't disagree on that at all.

oh, I was confused by these statements they seem contrary?

But I think you are treating the issue as though the pain is due to the word itself,...

HMM, You keep emphasing pain. I've been talking about abuse.

If you say that I have something against abuse, any type of abuse, that I hate abuse, the yes I hate abuse.

That woman abused her son. She did NOT abuse her grandson. She, and other things in her life, had changed since the time she raised her own son.

That's very common. The grand son is not seen as a burden.

Fortunately, my friend never told his son that he "should" dislike his grandmother. He didn't try to make him dislike her, just because he did. He let them develop their own relationship.

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That's very common. The grand son is not seen as a burden.

OK, good, you agree that such things can happen. So what is your response to this point?:

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Fortunately, my friend never told his son that he "should" dislike his grandmother. He didn't try to make him dislike her, just because he did. He let them develop their own relationship.

The grandmother isn't a perceived threat and is probably a doting grandma, but that and what we are talking about are as different as are oranges and apples

What is it that we're talking about, from your perspective, and how is it different?

What we are talking about?

I asked you first!

We've talked about different things in this thread, Arg, but lately I've been talking about the difference in perception that the younger generation may have from the older one--quoting studies about that, etc.

What are you talking about?