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Clintonista Gangsterism

 
 
swolf
 
Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 06:15 am
Near as I can tell, the Clintons and Terry MacAuliffe are still running the demmunist party, hence this little analysis is still basically relevant. In fact it's not really even obvious at this point who will be running for president on the dem ticket. Clinton blackops have torpedoed all the more or less viable candidates leaving only the pathetic gigolo Kerry as a sort of a placeholder, to be tossed aside if Hillary figures she has any shot at it.

The links to Jared Israel's site (tenc.net) may or may not be fixed at this time.


You're a serious, died-in-the-wool gangster, and you succeed beyond
your wildest dreams; you take over the United States and assume the
office of president. What are your first moves going to be?
Basically, you will want to seal off every possible avenue of
political and legal redress against gangsterism which you might have
committed in the past, and against further gangsterism which you might
hope to perpetrate in the future.

You might start by expropriating 1100 raw FBI files on every conceivable political opponent,
and making a database out of them.

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/16/135337

That would pretty much seal off most avenues of political redress. A
next step or several steps might consist of replacing with your own
people as many as possible of the little people, whitehouse career
employees and what not, with whom a president and his entourage must
interact, to eliminate to the extent possible any possibilities of one
of these employees seeing something and then telling reporters about
it.

The episode called Travelgate is one example of this approach.

http://www.counterclintonlibrary.com/VTTravelGate.htm

Next, you will want to neutralize the US Justice Department. To this
end, you might want to hire an attorney general who is politically
ambitious and, at the same time, has so ungodly an assortment of
skeletons in her closet, that she can be absolutely controlled and
prevented from ever allowing any of the justice departments myriad
flashlights from shining in on anything rsembling whitehouse
gangsterism.

Jack Thompson ran against Janet Reno in a Dade County election once,
and has been publically daring Reno, the Florida Bar, and the Democrat
party to sue him for the last ten years. He describes Reno,
occasionally on high-profile radio programs, as a predatory lesbian
who has been stopped with female prostitutes in the back seat of cars
in mall parking lots, who has been pulled over DWI numerous times, and
hwo has major kinds of mob ties.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/stonewall_renostarr.html


But the major part of Janet Reno's skeleton collection involves
something totally different. In the 1980's, a new variation on the
medieval theme of witchcraft trials arose in America, the so-called
"ritual abuse" trial, using recovered memories as evidence. This
began with the celebrated McMartin case at Manhatten Beach and quickly
spread over the land, every unscrupulous DA in the country trying to
add one such case to his/her resume in much the same manner in which
professional hunters like to have one elephant or one rhino on their
resumes. All except Janet Reno, that is. She made a cottage industry
out of sending people to prison for long periods of time for things
which, not only had they not done, but which in fact had never
happened at all.

Her most famous case, that of decorated Florida policeman Grant Snowden, has been overturned by a federal appeals court after Snowden
spent 13 years in prison.

http://www.ags.uci.edu/~dehill/witchhunt/cases/snowden.htm

In the case of Bobby Fijnje, an innocent 14-year-old boy was held
without bond for 18 months and tried as an adult for more crimes which
never happened. The family was told that unless they copped a plea,
Bobby would be in an adult prison population and would be dead from
AIDS within two years. A jury found Bobby innocent on seven of seven
charges. One of Reno's henchmen, asked what had gone wrong with the
prosecution on which 3 million dollars of the Dade County taxpayers'
money had been spent, replied that they hadn't spent enough money;
new charges were being drawn up the same night and the Fijnje family
fled to Holland.


Fijnje's Father sent an incindiary letter to The NY Times upon learning of Reno's appointment to AG.

http://www.ags.uci.edu/~dehill/witchhunt/ccla/pages/fijnje.htm

But the worst case of all was that of the Fusters.

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/4/25/93805


This activity was in fact Reno's major claim to fame.

Her concern for children is undoubtedly what caused her to sign off on the Waco deal,
in which a number of children were rescued from more imaginary sexual
abuse by being firebombed (the firebombing was real and not
imaginary).

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/WACO/waco.html

Check the before and after pictures, near the bottom of the www page.
The technique IS effective; I don't think those kids had to worry
about being abused again after Reno finished with them...

Other than that, the use of recovered memories for anything has since
been declared to be a criminal activity in England.

Your next step, as gangster president, might be to have this
well-chosen new attorney general summarily fire and replace all 93
federal attorneys.

http://www.tocquevillian.com/articles/0099.html

Having thus sealed all avenues of political and legal redress and
reasonably assured your own security from external forces, your next
step, as America's first gangster president, might be to try to
achieve some measure of security from INTERNAL forces, i.e. to
commission some sort of a serious psychiatric profile/assessment of
yourself so as to know in which areas your personna might could stand
improvement. Slick, of course, did not do this.

Had he, what would have turned up might have been the following.

http://www.reason.com/9411/fe.efron.9411.html

Your next step, after all of this, would be to turn again to one of
your favorite hobbies and most major skills in life, fundraising, not
only for the purpose of further political campaigns, but also to
insure a ready supply of cash for buying the silence of people who
know too much but who for whatever reason, it would appear clumsy or
mean-spirited to simply kill. Jerome Zeifman, the chief council for
the house judiciary committee at the time of Watergate and the man
most responsible for getting rid of Nixon, noted that he would
impeach Clinton for three obvious cases of bribery, i.e.

Quote:

"In his conduct of the office of the president of the United States,
William J. Clinton has given or received bribes with respect to one or
more of the following:

"(1) Approving, condoning or acquiescing in the surreptitious payment
of bribes for the purpose of obtaining the silence or influencing
the testimony of Webster Hubbell as a witness or potential witness in
criminal proceedings.

"(2) Approving, condoning or acquiescing in the use of political
influence by Vernon Jordan in obtaining employment for the purpose of
obtaining the silence or influencing the testimony of Monica Lewinsky
as a witness or potential witness in civil or criminal proceedings;
and

"(3) Approving, condoning or acquiescing in the receipt of bribes in
connection with the issuance of an executive order which had the
effect of giving Indonesia a monopoly on the sale of certain types of
coal."


Item three, in fact, clearly shows the worst aspects of democrat
gangsterism. The real problem here is that the democrats no longer
truly represent anybody who could support a political party either in
terms of money or in terms of votes, and so they are seen raising cash
in every country on earth other than the United States in which they
supposedly live, and trying to forge voting majorities out of
collections of little imaginary victim groups.

The fundraising activities, in particular, are highly leveraged in
that very large items of national treasure and assets are being sold
off for relatively miniscule sums of campaign cash. In the case of
Utahgate which Zeifman mentions as item 3, something like a trillion
dollars was pulled out of the American economy for the benefit of
Clinton's Lippo buddies in Indonesia, whose donations to the various
slick slush funds could not have amounted to more than a few tens of
millions at most.

The costs to the country of Slicks Chinese deals are similarly
massive, including a large and growing trade imbalance along with the
illegal technology transfers we've read about. Slick taking money
from the chicom army is no different in principle from the idea of FDR
taking campaign donations from Hitler or Stalin. Ask yourself why FDR
never did that; try to imagine how happy it would have made old uncle
Adolph to be able to control Washington D.C. for a few measly million
here and there to the democratic campaign funds.

Having thus taken care of every mundane problem and care associated
with running the vast and complex machinery of the United States
government, your next concern as gangster president would probably be
to get in on the most major perk which the job entails:

One rather unfortunate aspect of life as a gangster is that it does
not teach one the virtue of moderation. One of the Tripp tapes,
according to internet sources, has Monica asking Slick why he doesn't
simply pay Paula Jones off and have done with it. Slick answers that
they'd all come up and want money if he did that; Monica replies "All
of them?? How many could there be??" and Slick replies "Hundreds..."

There are several inherent problems with trying to
set the numeric records ala Don Giovanni and make it
with literally hundreds of different women over a course of a
few years. One is that the first thing which goes straight out
the window is any notion of quality; you'll see these guys come
home with Marilyn Monroe one night, and then either Phyllis Diller
or Aunt Jemima the next, with the same stupid ****-eating grin
on their faces, since it's all really just the same to them.

Another problem in the case of politicians is that they make
prime targets for blackmail and manipulation of themselves by
conducting themselves like that. Slick couldn't get the simplest
kind of security clearance which you'd need to be a janitor or a
guard at the gate at any military base in America, and he's
supposed to be commander in chief of our armed forces. That's
insane.

Another problem in the case of liberals particularly, is that
it appears to be a vanishingly small step from believing oneself
above man's laws to believing oneself above things like the laws of
physics and the law of averages. For instance, thinking "I'm a
Kennedy; there's no reason on Earth why I shouldn't be able to ski
downhill, operate a camcorder, and play football all at the same time,
the trees will get out of the way!" Or, in the case of Slick,
thinking he could put the make on 50 different women in one day, and
that all 50 would be happy about it.

Something like that could lead to a psychic problem with taking "no"
for an answer and, if we're to believe even a small fraction of what
we read, it has. The claim which you read around the net is that the
Paula Jones testimony includes something like a dozen different
allegations of sexual assault and rape, that Slick has been out of
control for a long time, and that a professional organization has been
in place to keep a lid on this by means of bribery, intimidation, and
whatever else gets the job done, and that this has invariably worked
because, in each individual case, you had some poor woman on her own
without any real resources up against an organization with the
resources of one of the fifty states.

Documentation for these claims is not difficult to find on the net.

http://chblue.com/Feb1999/022599/clintonwomen022599.htm

In particular, it is not possible that Hillary Clinton has not known
about all of this very nearly from day one.

Given this lack of moderation, it will sometimes happen that, despite
all precautions and despite the workings of a spin machine which puts
the Nazi German propaganda organ of Joseph Goebbels to shame, some
sort of an unflattering story about rape, porking teenage interns,
lying about rape or porking teenage interns, or some particularly
flagrant act of fundraising daring-do will begin to take up an
uncomfortable amount of space in the headlines of the nation's
newspapers. What does the gangster president do then?

The answer is obvious. The president of the United States, in these
days and times, has the power to start wars, and nothing can compete
for front page newspaper space with a good war. We thus have
witnessed three of these dog-wagging episodes within one year.

The first case involved blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan,
apparently with the approval of no more than one of the joint chiefs
(the rotten apple in that particular barrel).

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/khartoumbomb.html

The second dog-wagging episode involved bombing Iraq the day before
Slick was to be impeached...

http://www.salisburypost.com/editorials/editorial121798.htm

The standard definition of "chutzvah" in Yiddish dictionaries involved
the example of the kid who murdered his parents and then demanded
leniency because he was an orphan. That will change. The new
definition will use the example of the president who starts a war the
day before he's impeached and then has some flunky like Dick Gephardt
try to keep his face straight while claiming that it's unpatriotic to
start an impeachment with a war in progress.

But the prize of them all was dog-wagging episode III (to take the
Broaddrick story off the front pages) , in which a totally innocent
slavic orthodox Christian nation was bombed into the stone age for the
benefit of white trash, narco-terrorists, and barbarians. I mention
the fact that Serbia is a slavic orthodox Christian nation because
Russia is also a slavic orthodox Christian nation, i.e. because this
third dog-wagging episode involved the risk of a thermonuclear war.

Any serious research into this one will reveal that the Western public
was fed an unadulterated diet of BS from the NATO propaganda organ,
the Clinton spin machine, and a shiftless Western establishment media
which simply included the propaganda on its pages and called it news
rather than doing any real reporting. Moreover, the entire picture of
the situation in the Balkans which the West has seen in its media over
the last decade is rendered hugely suspect since it arises from the
same kinds of sources.

Any sort of a thorough research will turn up the reality that the
whole problem in Kosovo was always the Albanian Kosovars and not the
Serbs. The present problems seemingly began with Miloshevich
rescinding the autonomy of the region in 1989.


The truth is that he had no options, and that all other ethnic groups in Kosovo were being
brutalized by the Albanian Kosovars.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm


Further readings and articles from the 80's tell much the same story:

http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html


What about before that? The truth is that, despite the endless
villification and demonization which they come in for from the Clinton
spin machine and the NATO propaganda arm, the Serbs are the closest
thing there is to normal, rational, decent people in the balkans.
They fought with the allies in WW-II and in fact held Hitler for seven
months and sent him into Russia in the dead of winter rather than on
schedule, but for which the whole world might be sporting swastikas
now.


They in fact saved 500 allied airmen who were shot down on raids
over Ploesti and other targets in the region.

http://www.geocities.com/kumbayaaa/yugosavingallies.html

Needless to say, any allied airman who was ever shot down over one of
the states surrounding Serbia was killed. The states surrounding Serbia all sided with Hitler.

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/thompson/rootsof.htm

The Serbs paid a horrific price for all of this. Hundreds of
thousands of them were murdered, many in Nazi-style death camps set up
in the surrounding states.

Nonetheless, history does not count for much amongst gangsters.
Clinton and his NWO pals had numerous reasons for wishing to dismantle
Yugoslavia, not the least of which was the 5 - 20 trillion in mineral
wealth of the Trepca mines. Check out:

http://www.tenc.net

for background materials on that sort of topic.

The "Racak massacre" which Clinton and Albright used as a pretext for
the NATO action turns out to be more propaganda BS.

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/meetmr.htm

and the Rambouillet ultimatum, particularly Appendix B, section 8,
which the Serbs refused to sign, turns out to look like something
which King George might have written.

No nation on Earth would ever sign off on such a thing.

http://www.state.gov/www/regions/eur/ksvo_rambouillet_text.html">

It turns out that the entire case against Serbia was never anything
but a bunch of bullshit.


There was never any "ethnic cleansing" going on,

http://www.iraqwar.org/germanreport.htm

and

there was never anything remotely like genocide going on.

http://www.counterpunch.org/biglie.html

nothing but a bunch of fabricated bullshit and a bunch of poor sorry
people (Serbs) having to defend themselves against an armed
insurrection supported and supplied by outside powers.

The laws of war have changed substantially since the end of WW-II.
The kinds of things we were doing to the Japanese and Germans, legal
then, would be war crimes now. In the Kosovo operation, American
forces knew that they had a tough and dangerous adversary to deal with
and they knew that they also were doing this for an utterly base and
ignoble cause which they could not possibly ask any NATO pilot to die
for, and that dog-wagging was again involved. They therefore limited
all operations to 15,000 feet or higher. When they discovered that
they could not harm the Serbian military from that height, they
embarked upon an entire series of war crimes, such as bombing out
bridges in the middle of little towns like Varvarin in the middle of
the day when, guaranteed, nothing was going to be on them other than
people like Sanja Milenkovic running errands. It thus comes as no
surprise that even Amnesty International is accusing NATO of war
crimes now. Aside from that, they began to bomb out the entire
civilian infrastructure of Serbia, including factories, water plants,
electrical grids, and basically everything the civilian population of
Serbia needs to stay alive. That's all criminal activity.


Walter Rockler, a surviving American prosecutor from the Nuremberg
trubunal, claims that NATO is every bit as guilty of war crimes as the
nazis were.

http://suc.org/kosovo_crisis/html/0523_ct.html

So much for William J. (Slick) Clinton, our first gangster president.
Everybody who reads pretty much knows what Clinton is about by now.
Many are still deluded inasmuch as they like to believe that it's
possible for a guy like Slick to end up in charge of a good cause by
some perverse quirk of fate. That doesn't happen in the real world; a
guy like Slick being in charge of a cause invariably means the cause
is messed up.

The Chicago mob was not a charitable organization which ended
up under Al Capone via a stroke of bad luck; The German nazi party
was not a religious order which ended up under Hitler due to a chance
misfortune. The Kommunisticheskaya partiya in Russia did not fall
under the sway of Stalin due to an isolated fluke or unlikely event,
and the democratic party in America is not under the Clintons due to
any quirk of fate.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 10:58 am
Rolling Eyes

I think your starting to lose it, swolf. You've gotten angrier and less rational with each subsequent post. Take a vacation and come back when your feeling a little better. :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 11:00 am
JaO, can you disprove any of the remarks above? Or, are you just trying to be disruptive with the personal remark completely ignoring anything that was written?
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 11:14 am
McGentrix wrote:
JaO, can you disprove any of the remarks above? Or, are you just trying to be disruptive with the personal remark completely ignoring anything that was written?


McG, did actually read what he posted? I did, and if anything qualifies for a "personal remark completely ignoring anything that was written", that sure does. Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 11:22 am
If you disagree with the remarks made, state which one, and refute it. Otherwise ignore it. You don't need to post on every single thread. Especially when the only reason you post is to make an ad hominem attack.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 11:51 am
Re: Clintonista Gangsterism
swolf wrote:
In fact it's not really even obvious at this point who will be running for president on the dem ticket. Clinton blackops have torpedoed all the more or less viable candidates leaving only the pathetic gigolo Kerry as a sort of a placeholder, to be tossed aside if Hillary figures she has any shot at it.


You can assert this hundredandfifteen times, and it still won't make it any more true. Just rhetorics.

And then theres the bit about the Serbs. How deep must Clinton-hatred drag a Conservative down for him to start identifying himself with a neo-communist, xenophobic regime?

swolf wrote:
I mention the fact that Serbia is a slavic orthodox Christian nation because Russia is also a slavic orthodox Christian nation, i.e. because this third dog-wagging episode involved the risk of a thermonuclear war.


Yes, because we all know that countries with a common religion are by definition willing to start a nuclear war about each other's faith Rolling Eyes

Russia wasn't happy about the war. It meekly and symbolically protested. End of story. Seriously, they just didnt care enough, and we knew it.

swolf wrote:
The truth is that he had no options, and that all other ethnic groups in Kosovo were being brutalized by the Albanian Kosovars.


Source? Ah, yes - the "Serbian Network". The one that wants to "FREE MILOSEVIC!" Accepted, of course. You gotta take what you can, if you're a Clinton-hater looking for stuff to support your cause.

swolf wrote:
the Serbs are the closest thing there is to normal, rational, decent people in the balkans.


Oh, thats OK then.

(Revelation: normalcy and decency dont come by ethnicity.)

swolf wrote:
They fought with the allies in WW-II [..] Nonetheless, history does not count for much amongst gangsters.


Nope ... and why should a nation's heroism of sixty years ago stop one from taking action against its government two generations later, when its involved in agressive warfare and persecution of its minorities?

The Soviet Union also fought Hitler with great sacrifice. Does that mean it was a disgrace on our part that we fought them in the Cold War?

swolf wrote:
There was never any "ethnic cleansing" going on,

http://www.iraqwar.org/germanreport.htm


Never any ethnic cleansing. Tell that to the kids who made drawings about their experiences, which I saw in a Gjakova school after they'd returned, drawings full of tanks and soldiers and blood and fleeing people .. unh-huh ... never happened. All media propaganda. Says Junge Welt - Germany's most radical far-left youth paper. An American conservative's natural reference material, obviously. If it helps inpunge Clinton.

Lots and lots and lots of records out there that document the start of the Kosovo exodus before the US intervened. But if you're determined to prove the opposite, to support your case against Clinton, theres always a bunch of Euro-communists and rabid Slavic nationalists to insinuate otherwise - you can just quote those, no mainstream American will recognize the kind of source you're using anyway.

swolf wrote:
When they discovered that they could not harm the Serbian military from that height, they embarked upon an entire series of war crimes, such as bombing out bridges in the middle of little towns like Varvarin in the middle of the day


Bridges, after all, are no strategic target in a war. Never have been. Railways not either. I mean, seriously, what would be the military value of bridges and railways? Who would dream of destroying those?

<sighs>

The alliance of the most rabid of Clinton-haters with the "red-brown" Milosevic fans is truly the single most damning thing that can be observed about their obsession. A Conservative should be ashamed of choosing that side, against the patriots that tried to fight neocommunist obscurantism and establish a Western democracy in Serbia, and sometimes died doing so.
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:23 pm
The International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic:

http://www.icdsm.org/


http://www.icdsm.org/sloba3.jpg

This is Slobodan Milosevic, an innocent man being tried by a so-called International Criminal
Tribunal in the Hague, Holland, presumably for attempting to deport (or ethnically cleanse)
albanian islammites from a Serbian province for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time:

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm

One assumes that the Dutch are practicing to try themselves for ethnic cleansing and genocide,
since they themselves are now beginning to expell muslims from their own country:

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/2/17502340-DA4E-4379-9982-AED6C77B315D.html

also for barbaric conduct over a protracted period of time:

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1111&terms=

An unbiased observer would be excused for assuming that barbaric conduct over protracted periods of time is a sort of an islammite specialty.

Now, one way to prevent yourself from being charged with hypocricy, is to start torturing people. For the same reason that nobody would ever charge Al Capone with shoplifting, nobody would ever charge somebody like Adolf Eichman or Joseph Mengele with hypocrisy.

Thus it comes out that a prosecutioni witness in this trial of Slobodan Milosevic stood up in the courtroom and stated that prosecutors had attempted to torture an accusation against Milosevic out of him:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/sr.gowans/markovic.html

Now, in an American courtroom, that would be the instantaneous end of the trial and the prosecutor's career (doing anything other than washing dishes in the courtroom cafeteria) right there.

Thus there should be a question of how Americans would want to be associated with this process
even before you consider the fact that Americans soundly reject the entire premise of the ICC
and have gone as far as to pass a law requiring the president of the United States to use military force to rescue any
American being held by that "tribunal":

http://www.greenevents.fsnet.co.uk/features/art044.html

In other words, Holland would face the armed might of the United States military were it to try to do to any American what it is doing to Milosevic.
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:32 pm
Re: Clintonista Gangsterism
nimh wrote:


swolf wrote:
When they discovered that they could not harm the Serbian military from that height, they embarked upon an entire series of war crimes, such as bombing out bridges in the middle of little towns like Varvarin in the middle of the day


Bridges, after all, are no strategic target in a war. Never have been. Railways not either. I mean, seriously, what would be the military value of bridges and railways? Who would dream of destroying those?

<sighs>


Collateral damage for a rational cause is one thing. When you kill innocent people to take a rape allegation against a psycho president like Slick Clinton off the front pages of the newspapers, that's something else.


By Nada Dragic
Press Adviser, Office if the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the FRY

"Don't be daft, mum. Who's going to drop bombs on this small town?" These were the last words spoken by Sanja Milenkovic before she left for a walk on Sunday, May 30, 1999. That day, May 30, was no ordinary day like in the previous years. It was day 68 of the NATO aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. It was a sunny, busy shopping day, Pentecost. Young people went out onto the streets. Some were on the local bridge that they liked best, because it offered a magnificent view of the Morava river and its surroundings. The roar of warplanes cut short the life of the bridge and those of residents including Sanja Milenkovic, who was well-liked in this small town and its environ.

Sanja and her family, whom she loved most in the world besides maths, led a quiet life. As a gifted child, who had been given many awards, she came from her native village of Donji Katun near Varvarin, to the capital, Belgrade, to enroll, without an entrance exam, in the Mathematics High School. There were, as publicized in numerous interviews, no insolvable mathematical problems for her. She had won many Yugoslav and international prizes, and she was preparing for the Mathematics Olympiad and surely for another of her trophies of world importance. She could explain everything logically or in terms of mathematics. The New York Times and the Washington Post wrote about our Sanja, a Serb girl from Varvarin, describing her as the greatest maths talent of today who was killed by NATO bombs.

Sanja was very close to her mother Vesna. Vesna was 21 when she gave birth to her first child. For her fifteen years of age, Sanja grew up to be a pretty and bright girl. "Sanja was like younger sister to me, she was also my best friend", says her mother Vesna.

When the NATO aggression against our country started, Sanja traveled back to Varvarin to be with her parents there. Her mum Vesna and her dad Zoran believed Sanja would be much safer in a small place in the country, where there were no military installations around. NATO targets, however, were not only military facilities but also hospitals, schools, kindergarten, roads, bridges. Cynical news of "collateral damage" came out of NATO headquarters every day. Sanja was, thus, one among several thousand ordinary people of Serbia who died of missiles targeting even insignificant bridges in small towns throughout Yugoslavia. One of them was the bridge in Varvarin. It led to the local Christian Orthodox church and innocent civilians, who happened to be on it that sunny May day, on the Christian holiday of Pentecost, were killed. Sanja and two of her friends were among the victims.

It was a little past noon. The shopping day attracted more crowds than usual. The memorial liturgy was in progress at the Church of the Holy Mother at that moment. No one knew that up in the skies there were warplanes that already had the bridge in their sights and were ready to rain down death. In the 68 days of the aggression, people were used to being bombed by night. So, very few believed that the 52-year old bridge that was the town's lifeline and that did not straddle any of the major transport routes, would be picked. It is a three-hour drive to Kosovo and Metohija from there. It was exactly five minutes past one p.m. Vesna and Zoran were fixing lunch for their daughter when they heard a strong blast nearby. Vesna's mum immediately picked up the phone to check if it was still on. The telephone lines ran across the bridge. The phone was dead. She dashed into the car and headed for the bridge. She looked through the window searching for the loved face. The river bank was deserted. The crowd ran away fearing another strike. Vesna stood alone on the bank, calling out her daughter's name. And then she saw Sanja. She lay on a broken slab of the bridge. She was motionless. It was much later that she was told what had happened and how Sanja died. As the first missile hit the bridge, its footpath collapsed into the river. Sanja and her friends fell into the water, as well. Sanja was unharmed, while one of her friends had her arm broken and the other the leg. Like the rest of the pedestrians, Sanja could have reached the bank, but she chose to help her friends. Ten minutes after the initial attack, the NATO pilot came back to finish off his deadly job. The impact had the bridge cut in half. The religious service in the church was interrupted. Everyone rushed to help the wounded. The explosion stopped them in the process. Another seven people were killed. Sanja was struck by a shrapnel in the back. They put her into an ambulance. Her eyes were open for a few more minutes. Her father encouraged her to fight for her breath. A couple of minutes later Sanja's eyes closed. "I knew it was for ever", said her dad Zoran, "I was hopeful, nevertheless". The fighting for Sanja's life went on in hospital, where she was injected with adrenaline shots. But death got the upper hand. Sanja lay motionless in her pink T-shirt that she had put on that morning. She was 15 and six months old. The following day Jamie Shea made his regular announcement to the press in faraway Brussels, like he did on all other days before.

Sanja Milenkovic will not dream out her dreams. However strongly she felt about numerals and the logic of life, there can be no explanation for her premature death. Sanja's teachers and peers believe that, if it had been according to the laws of mathematics, Sanja's name would have been predestined to become famous and be inscribed in international yearbooks of the greatest mathematicians.

Those who died early and whom we were indebted to during their lifetime oblige us to remember them always. The name of Sanja Milenkovic will always be in the minds of those talented like herself. That was the reason why a Fund, named after her, was set up. The Fund serves to award scholarships/fellowships to young gifted secondary school students and university undergraduates in the field of mathematics and technical sciences. The Fund was established at the initiative of Mr. Zivadin Jovanovic, Federal Minister for Foreign Affairs of the FR of Yugoslavia, and Mr. Milutin Mrkonjic, Director-General of the Country Reconstruction Directorate.

Sanja's granddad, Ljubomir Milenkovic, was appointed an honorary member of the Fund.

Twenty young people were awarded scholarships from the Fund on November 5, 1999. In addressing them, Minister Jovanovic said that this Fund was set up to keep the memory of Sanja alive and by keeping it alive to demonstrate our attitude towards the highest achievements and greatest successes in learning and studies. The talents now financed and yet to be financed by the "Sanja Milenkovic" Fund will keep alive the memory of a youth cut short prematurely and of wishes and dreams left unfulfilled.

They will also keep alive the name of Sanja Milenkovic.

Translated by Gordana Simovic
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:34 pm
Ummm... Are you actually supporting Milosevich?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:36 pm
swolf, do you seriously believe that Milosevic is innocent?
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:41 pm
Quote:

Never any ethnic cleansing. Tell that to the kids who made drawings about their experiences, which I saw in a Gjakova school after they'd returned, drawings full of tanks and soldiers and blood and fleeing people .. unh-huh ..


The only little problem is, that as far as I've ever been able to tell at least, none of those stories bears any sort of close examination. I mean, after Racak and Trnopolje, which of those BS stories is anybody supposed to go on believing?

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/film/judgment.htm
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:55 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Ummm... Are you actually supporting Milosevich?



Serbs might have some rational reason to try Milosevic for something or other. NATO doesn't and the Dutch don't. Basically, everything the west has heard about the balkans for the last dozen years is unadulterated BS and it takes a certain amount of reading to get any sort of a handle on it. Check out a few of the links in that post with the picture of Milosevic, particularly the 1980s NY Times articles. In Kosovo in particular, the problem was always the Albanians rather than the Serbs.

I have a little list of things I'd pay a hundred dollars to watch, and the thing which was on top of that list until lately was watching Arnold Schwarzenegger tell the dufe out there in California he'd been terminated. That's been taken off the list since it actually happened.

The thing which is at the top of the list now would be watching the spetznaz rescue Milosevic, and you could figure two hundred if they could shoot the Hague to pieces in the process.
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:57 pm
ehBeth wrote:
swolf, do you seriously believe that Milosevic is innocent?



Yes.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 12:59 pm
Huh. I believe you are the first individual I have run accross on the Internet that supports Milosevic.

I don't. I believe he embodies most of what can be determined as "bad" in the world. Seems that people like him, Saddam, Kim Il Jung, etc... should all be relieved of their right to Oxygen. But, we are all entitled to our opinions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 01:05 pm
Well, knowing (better: I have known, since both children are killed) two victims of Milosevic's myrmidons personally, it's hard for me to stay calm.

I DO hope, however, you don't start the next thread praising Hitler ...
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 01:11 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Huh. I believe you are the first individual I have run accross on the Internet that supports Milosevic.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1112681/posts?page=1

There's at least one guy at the National Post (Canada) who's come to the same conclusion:


We bombed the wrong side?
THE NATIONAL POST (Canada) ^ | 2004-04-06 | Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie

Posted on 04/06/2004 4:54:40 PM PDT by DTA

We bombed the wrong side?

Lewis MacKenzie

Five years ago our television screens were dominated by pictures of Kosovo-Albanian refugees escaping across Kosovo's borders to the sanctuaries of Macedonia and Albania. Shrill reports indicated that Slobodan Milosevic's security forces were conducting a campaign of genocide and that at least 100,000 Kosovo-Albanians had been exterminated and buried in mass graves throughout the Serbian province. NATO sprung into action and, in spite of the fact no member nation of the alliance was threatened, commenced bombing not only Kosovo, but the infrastructure and population of Serbia itself -- without the authorizing United Nations resolution so revered by Canadian leadership, past and present.

Those of us who warned that the West was being sucked in on the side of an extremist, militant, Kosovo-Albanian independence movement were dismissed as appeasers. The fact that the lead organization spearheading the fight for independence, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), was universally designated a terrorist organization and known to be receiving support from Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was conveniently ignored.

The recent dearth of news in the North American media regarding the increase in violence in Kosovo compared to the comprehensive coverage in the European press strongly suggests that we Canadians don't like to admit it when we are wrong. On the contrary, selected news clips on this side of the ocean continue to reinforce the popular spin that those dastardly Serbs are at it again.

A case in point was the latest crisis that exploded on March 15. The media reported that four Albanian boys had been chased into the river Ibar in Mitrovica by at least two Serbs and a dog (the dog's ethnic affiliation was not reported). Three of the boys drowned and one escaped to the other side. Immediately, thousands of Albanians mobilized and concentrated in the area of the divided city. Attacks on Serbs took place throughout the province resulting in an estimated 30 killed and 600 wounded. Thirty Serbian Christian Orthodox churches and monasteries were destroyed, more than 300 homes were burnt to the ground and six Serbian villages cleansed of their occupants. One hundred and fifty international peacekeepers were injured.

Totally ignored in North America were the numerous statements from impartial sources that said there was no incident between the Serbs, the dog and the Albanian boys. NATO Police spokesman Derek Chappell stated on March 16 that it was "definitely not true" that the boys had been chased into the river by Serbs. Chappell went on to say that the surviving boy had told his parents that they had entered the river alone and that three of his friends had been swept away by the current. Admiral Gregory Johnson, the overall NATO commander, further stated that the ensuing clashes were "orchestrated and well-planned ethnic cleansing" by the Kosovo-Albanians. Those Serbs forced to leave joined the 200,000 who had been cleansed from the province since NATO's "humanitarian" bombing in 1999. The '"cleansees" have become very effective "cleansers."

In the same week a number of individuals posing as Serbs ambushed and killed a UN policeman and his local police partner. During the firefight one of them was wounded which caused an immediate switch from Serbian to Albanian as he screamed, "I've been hit"! The UN pursued the attackers and tracked them to an Albanian-run farm where they discovered weapons and the wounded Albanian who had died from his wounds. Four Albanians were arrested. Once again, the ambush had been reported in the United States but not the follow-up which clearly indicated yet another orchestrated provocation by the Albanian terrorists.

Kosovo is administered by the UN, the very organization many Canadians have indicated they would like to see take over from the United States in Iraq. The fact the UN cannot order its civilian employees to go or stay anywhere -- they have to volunteer -- combined with recent history that saw the UN abandon Iraq after a single brutal attack on their compound in Baghdad and the reality that Kosovo, under the organization's administration, is a basket case, disqualifies it from consideration for such a role.

Since the NATO/UN intervention in 1999, Kosovo has become the crime capital of Europe. The sex slave trade is flourishing. The province has become an invaluable transit point for drugs en route to Europe and North America. Ironically, the majority of the drugs come from another state "liberated" by the West, Afghanistan. Members of the demobilized, but not eliminated, KLA are intimately involved in organized crime and the government. The UN police arrest a small percentage of those involved in criminal activities and turn them over to a judiciary with a revolving door that responds to bribes and coercion. The objective of the Albanians is to purge all non-Albanians, including the international community's representatives, from Kosovo and ultimately link up with mother Albania thereby achieving the goal of "Greater Albania." The campaign started with their attacks on Serbian security forces in the early 1990s and they were successful in turning Milosevic's heavy-handed response into worldwide sympathy for their cause. There was no genocide as claimed by the West -- the 100,000 allegedly buried in mass graves turned out to be around 2,000, of all ethnic origins, including those killed in combat during the war itself.

The Kosovo-Albanians have played us like a Stradivarius. We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo.We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early '90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary. When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda, just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.

Funny how we just keep digging the hole deeper!

Maj-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie, now retired, commanded UN troops during the Bosnian civil war of 1992.

(c) 2004 National Post . All Rights Reserved.
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 01:25 pm
I'm with you Walter! But don't be surprised...
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swolf
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 02:40 pm
Here's another interesting little piece of the Balkans picture.

Aside from ordinary lies and propaganda, it is now known that the Bosnians in particular were willing, on a number of occasions, to kill sizeable numbers of their own people in fabricated Serbian atrocities in order to secure Western intervention.

http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/boss/boss06.shtml
http://www.compuserb.com/wtimesad/wtadtext.htm

The Washington Times, whatever else you might claim about it, has no known connections with any sort of Serbian government or religious organizations.

From the Wash Times article:

Quote:
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MyOwnUsername
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 04:11 pm
Looks like our dear Swolf forgot how deeply destroyed he was in our debate, so he decided to try with his cheap propaganda once again.
Before continuing, I will once again note that nothing of this has anything to do with Serbs as nation - 90% of them would never sign crap Swolf is posting here and are becoming normal and modern european country day by day.

Once again, all my links, just for fun, are SERBIAN. Providing american, croatian, UN, or any other links would not be such fun. But when someone is using cheapest serbian propaganda, what is better then answer with what real Serbs are saying about issues.
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MyOwnUsername
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 04:17 pm
a) about Serbs burning mosques in Serbia because of clashes on Kosovo (serbian radio station B92)

http://www.b92.net/english/news/search.php?search_string=mosque&search_doc_class=%27News%27&search_only_in_categories=&nav_category=

b) serbian war-leader from Croatia pleads guilty for ethnical cleansing in front of Hague court (same station) - down below more about the crimes

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=26636&dd=27&mm=01&yyyy=2004

c) about another mass grave near Srebrenica, where around 7,000 Muslims are killed by serbian troops

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=14498&dd=29&mm=09&yyyy=2001

d) general of Bosnian Serb army names those responsible from Srebrenica - your fellow Serbs - first news down about freedom in Serbia

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=3832&dd=04&mm=08&yyyy=2000

e) Serbs about how swolf's serbian friends were gaining food for Muslim refugees in nice and cousy concentration camp (or not?)

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=18502&dd=31&mm=07&yyyy=2002

f)how Serbs today, completely foolled by West that they committed some crimes /they should listen swolf instead/ are trying to be normal country /or:what to do with Croats from hospital? kill them!

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=28148&dd=27&mm=04&yyyy=2004

g) and what swolf's normal friends do in free time - or: no Croats or Muslims around - let's beat some Roma!!

http://www.b92.net/english/news/index.php?nav_id=28308&dd=07&mm=05&yyyy=2004
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