Mustang vs Camaro

I like the new pony a lot. Thing is, it gets excellent reviews in all the german car-magazines, but Ford has decided it won't sell it in europe-- at all! So if you want to have GT in europe you'll have to buy it from an importer that'll sell you the car for 33.500(best offer, been looking around), which comes to almost $40G!!!

I have a friend who is importing old Porsches from California, and tells me that seatransport costs about 6.000, that's for four cars in a container. Customs in Hamburg is 10%, sales tax is 16%, and to get the car through inspections here you have to modify some stuff, that's another 1.000.

Do the math.
Anyone wants to start a ponyimport business with me?

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So, when is the convertible pony going to be available? I like the car, especially the V8 GT, and the price is right, but I live in California, and want a rag top.

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I don't know when it's available, but I'd wait a while after it's out, CJ. Mustangs usually depreciate pretty fast, you don't want to get caught up paying full, or even above sticker on a car that's going to sink in value pretty quick.

They're releasing them really slowly to the Ford dealers now to drive demand....but after a while, they're going to be all over the place. They did the same thing with the Miata, the New Beetle, and PT Cruiser. People were actually paying over sticker for all that crap.

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Yeah, I won't go there. And I agree that in some states they may be "everywhere", but in California, american cars are somewhat of a niche, outside of SUV's. Here you see mostly German and Japanese cars, at least where I live.

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I see Craven reactivated the sponsored links.

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Re: Hmm... Lets See

NOSVeilsideSupra wrote:

2001-2002 Camaro:
Engines:
3.8 V6 200 bhp.
Z28: LS1 5.7 V8 310 bhp @ 5200 rpm, 335 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm.
SS: LS1 5.7 V8 320 bhp @ 5200 rpm, 345 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm.

Performance:
Z28(3439 lbs): 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds @ 101.3 mph.
SS(3439 lbs): 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.7 seconds @ 105.6 mph.

2001-2002 Mustang:
Engine:
GT: 4.6 V8 260 bhp @ 5250 rpm, 302 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
SVT Cobra4.6 V8 320 bhp @ 6000 rpm,317 lb-ft @ 4750 rpm

Performance:
GT(3113lbs) : 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.1 sec @ 99 mph
SVT Cobra(3472 lbs): 0-60 in 4.8 seconds, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 105 mph

Its a Close Call, but for the top model battle, the SVT Cobra takes it over the SS, as for aftermarket parts both cars had a wide selection of tuners and brands to choose from.

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i know i might be a little late to ad to this, but what are you on? what 2001-2002 svt cobra that you know runs 0-60 in 4.8???? Is this dreamland? I have a 2000 camaro SS and stock i have neevr had a problem with any 90-2002 svt cobra. I also have many friends that own them. They have actually never produced under 5.7 0- 60 in their cobras, and that was there best time. I also know that ford overates the horsepower on the cobras as they come off line. have you ever seen a dyno sheet for a stock 2001-2002 cobra... especially seeing as how the 2001 cobra only put out 270hp and had to be recalled to even get it to 310.... My ss when it was stock ran 5.2- 5.4 0-60, and 13.2- 13.5 1/4. There is no mustang cobra stock form 2001-2002 that will out run or even hang tuff with a stock ss 2000-2002. were did you get this magical 4.8 from? I have even beaten modified cobras with a stock SS and iam not the best driver in the world... and the 2003-2004 cobras are also overated. My SS is curently running at 427hp, and the 390 hp mustang does not even come within .5 seconds of me in a street race.. maybe more in 1/4...

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the smart guy who thinks he knows bout the zl1 camaros, is wrong. you know, the guy who claims mustangs will wax a stock ss. well, just to inform you, i own a 1990 rs camaro, stock, 100%. i happened to pull up next to a 2003 mustang cobra, waxed him. but thats funny to your response bc i have been dusted by a 2002 ss camaro, and you say that a 2003 cobra would wax a stock ss, makes you think how that would be possible, but the thing is its not. and just for the record, the lowerst grade zl1 camaro came STOCK with 600bhp. the 2002 zl1 camaro has 690bhp 720lbft torque, and runs the quarter mile in 9.8 secs., and has the top speed of 250mph. the zl1 is powered by a 427ci engine, no mustang gt 500, to a supercharged peice of crap could touch one.

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I'm so glad I subscribed to this thread. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.

A top speed of 250MPH. Wow. Anyone seen a Camaro run an IRL race lately?

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gm underrated all camaros and trans ams. all f-bodies 67-2002 were underrated by 20-35 bhp. gm did this to make the corvette look superior. the info bout camaros having 320 to the rear wheels is more like 355 to the rear wheels. ford overrates all motors, meaning a 320 bhp mustang cobra is more like 290-300. nothing touches a camaro. if you own a mustang you should be shot. mustang was a chevy concept, they dropped it in 1962, ford should have never bought the idea, chevy threw it out bc it was crap and it still to this day is. but ford claims that the mustang was designed for women, why are all these men driving a womens car? 87.9% of mustang owners are girls, real men know, camaro, trans-am, and corvette. take advice from gm, they are the most technologically advanced company in automotive today, kill your mustang, saves us from having to waste our gas on the tracks, by waxing mustangs, slow, overrated, fixed or repaired daily, chuns of sheet metal.

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Dude, do you like Ted Nugent?

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never really heard his music, i dont really have too much time for music i sold all of my car sytem equipment, to order a chevy 302ci, 650bhp 700ibft torque, im going to be entering car shows this summer got to get ready.

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"for any fast mustang", there's a great oxymoron,.... but to finish my quote," there's a faster camaro!!"

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99mustanggt wrote:

OK you guys really piss me off. Camaro owners always say how mustangs are junk and that camaros can kill any mustang. Up until 1994 the camaro has never beat the mustang. Also you always say how your v6's can keep up with a gt. There is no way . You guys always mislead people on things.The new gt's run 14.09 (auto)stock with no mods and a new(sorry 2002) v6 camaro is rated at 16.1 which is slower than the v6 mustang which runs 15.7. Also no camaro ever made could touch the 00-02(13.18) cobra let alone the 03-04(12.77) even with a way smaller motor. Also you guys say that a stock z28 can run low 13 high 12's(more missinformation) every magazine that has tested the car has gotten 13.9-14.1 and this is also what happens at the dragstrip(seeing as how i go there every weekend)So just stop f***ing misinforming people and face the facts, camaros suck , obviously why they stopped making them.Its pretty sad when a 4.6 beats a 5.7 .Thanks, Jason

hey buddy, whats going on, feeling a bit in denial? its ok, you should ease up. i have a 1990 rs camaro v-8, tbi, low class v-8 that is, i raced one of these so called, "unbeatable" cobras, lets just say i havent lost a race to a mustang yet, and my car is completely stock. you see, your gt mustang being beat by a v-6 is true, where i live everybody owns camaros, mustangs cant hang with camaros. and your info bout there being more mustang owners than camaro owners is true, but think bout it mustang came out 4 years before camaro did. and camaros dominated mustangs every year they were out, thats why ford started redesigning the mustang motor, the first year the camaro came out was late 66 into 67, they won the trans-am racing series, and every year after that. my car completey stock run 13.09 in the 1/4 mile, i have never lost to a mustang, cobra, gt supercharged, gt 500 or n e thing, now just the other day i figured why not, i pulled up beside a 2002ss camaro, 35th ann. i reved, he reved, we went, he spanked me. now if i spank mustangs, and he spanked me, no little 4.6 or 4.8L could keep up with a 350. oh, by the way, mustang and ford are so cheezy they cant even handle a real 5.0 like my camaro. and also they did stop making camaro, but theyll realize what they have done and then will come back out with the 5th geneation, thats why they have already started making the design. and mustang has always been overrated you little 13 sec 1/4 mile times are more like 14, and camaro 1/4 times are more like high 12, and low 13. you know actually drag race and learn these things for your self and not believe something in a mag. where i race no mustang ever wins, thats why noone owns one. camaros like to fly and mustangs like to die.

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Jarlaxle wrote:

The DOHC 4.6 Cobra will run with the LS1 Z28SS.

dohc 4.6? wow thats new. theres no way a v8 could be dohc. the two cam shafts would cancle each others purpose. they had a dohc camaro and corvette, they only lasted one year bc the performance does not work, thats why they on put dohc on v6 and 4 bangers. and 4.6 and 4.8 are jokes, they cant keep up with my stock 305, a real 5.0L so i know they cant hang with a 350, live around a drag strip, drag race, and then tell me what 4.6 you know will compare to a 350

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Jarlaxle wrote:

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An old Car and Driver article I have from 1988 had the IROC-Z camaro with a 350 TPI and automatic, not only outhandles the 1988 mustang GT but beats it in the 1/4 mile time and out accelerates it.

Was the GT a 5-speed? If not, that's why. Also, the 5.0 LX is a good 2-3 tenths quicker, since it doesn't have 200lbs of GT cladding. Everything I've seen has a 5.0 LX 5-speed matching a 350 TPI F-car, & absolutely embarassing a 305 car.

Also, remember, the Mustang didn't get any power boosts from 1987 to 1997. In fact, from 1987-92, though still rated at 225HP, the 5.0 LOST power, due to a revised cam & the switch to mass-air EFI in 1989 (88 in Cali). The 1993 5.0 was rated at 215HP, probably more accurate. The 1994-5 5.0's also were rated at 215, but probably gave up 5-7HP to the 1993's due to a different intake.

I have seen LS1 F-cars run 13-flay (and even 12-90's) 100% mechanically stock on slicks. The LS1 is THAT potent.

hey buddy, when they race cars like that in these magazines they are all 5 or 6 speeds, they dont use automatics for the purpose that manual trnnys put out more power, just thought youd like to know

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Re: To "Camaro"

Go.......faster........ wrote:

Uhm..........I hate to tell you this, but its been done before. I've watched a 1997 Z-28 LT1 car, get beat like the red-headed-step-child by a 2000 Roush Stage 3 Mustang. Both had performance mods. (think the Camaro had the 58mm LT4 Throttle body and LT4 heads and cam, but I never actually asked the guy). So, that one has to be false.

hey, first of all a roush mustang is like a saleen it isnt a stock car and i have seen at a drag strip a 1989 iroc spank a 2000 roush mustang with no prob. sorry youre wrong with your info.

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Don't forget the IROC 350ci only came in auto, right?

Anyone know why?

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Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:

Don't forget the IROC 350ci only came in auto, right?

Anyone know why?

irocs didnt only come in automatic. i own a 1987 five speed iroc, brand new condition bought it for 6000$ 2500 miles on it. not to mention i was at the camaro barn the other day and there were five irocs there all 4 or five speeds, the manual tranny was an option after 86. and that was with the 5.7, not the 5.0. but it was very rare in the iroc yes.

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I know irocs came in manuals, but I thought it was only the 5.0. Thanks for correcting, I didn't know that.

I owned an 83 Trans Am 5-speed(305ci).

So you have a 5.7 manual? If so, that thing must be a blast to drive. Torquey as hell.

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Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:

I know irocs came in manuals, but I thought it was only the 5.0. Thanks for correcting, I didn't know that.

I owned an 83 Trans Am 5-speed(305ci).

So you have a 5.7 manual? If so, that thing must be a blast to drive. Torquey as hell.

yes it is very powerful, but i dont drive it like i do my 1990. when i do ever drive the roc, i normally control my drving, all five gears break traction. i have seen on numerous sites that there is a 6 speed set up for manual f-bodies, i was looking into purchasing that, that would be a great deal of power. but like i said the roc doesnt cruise much, just the 90, i drive it like i stole it, although it holds really great on gas for a 5.0

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