So, Any thoughts on Bibi Netantahu's address to Congress

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Boycott the Japanese then. Fukoshima is pumping massive amounts of radioactive material in the sea.

I see the Japanese as victims of that disaster, not as perpetrators.

@oralloy,

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I see the Japanese as victims of that disaster, not as perpetrators.

I see them as both victims and perpetrators. In any case, if you care about radioactive pollutants, Fukoshima should be your biggest nightmare, not Teheran.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

korkamann wrote:
But one thing is for certainty, at this time, Israel is on the wrong course with history and the rest of the world.

I think the billions of military aid America gives Israel and the use of its veto in the UN security council are safe whatever happens. If Netanyahu had taken a **** in Congress and then rubbed the speaker's nose in it, those things would still be safe.

Sad, but no one could have said it better. Israel has such a powerful hold on America that I don't it believe will ever be shaken loose...as long as AIPAC continues to pay well; however, I can assure you the average man in the street doesn't feel the same way unless they are Christian Fundies. This is why Netanyahu can waltz into America like he owns it and speak to the Joint session of Congress, feeling confident he will survive the critics. The over the top applause given to the Zionist PM as he spoke to the Republicans who were jumping up and down as if the second coming were among them, leads me to think after Obama leaves office and if a Repuke were to attain the WH we would be in the middle east at war trying to clean up the neighborhood for Modern Israel. It was the Neocons, Israel and greedy Cheney who invaded Iraq illegally. They had to get rid of Saddam because Netanyahu said so.

On C-Span Speaker Boehner stated before all he had called his "GOOD FRIEND, PM NETANYAHU." Senator Cruz from Texas was screeching that Obama was anti-Semitic! What a screwed up political world we live in. Netanyahu screws up by deliberating selecting political sides with the Republicans, thereby snubbing our commander-n-chief, and Obama is called anti-Semitic! Go figgure.

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@Olivier5,

I have been a pacifist, though not completely, so a pacifist of sorts, for many decades. I don't like bombs of any kind, for many good reasons. I don't like drones either, even the ones that might deliver books.

But - I am uncomfortable with the arrogance of nations like us (u.s.) who insist others don't get to have them. That doesn't mean I want the ability to manufacture nukes to spread like wildfire: it just means that the arrogance smells.

edit - I just read olivier on balance of power, and while it is scary, agree with his point.

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@korkamann,

"They had to get rid of Saddam because Netanyahu said so."

Is that true? I didn't know that, or if I did, I forgot. Grrrrrr.
Not to make you look for links, but if you have any already, I'd look at them.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

"They had to get rid of Saddam because Netanyahu said so."

Is that true? I didn't know that, or if I did, I forgot. Grrrrrr.
Not to make you look for links, but if you have any already, I'd look at them.

Bibi was afraid of Saddam Hussein. During the first Gulf War under the senior Bush, Saddam sent missiles into Israel. Saddam was known for using nerve gas as he had used same on the Kurds and some Iranians. Gas masks were given out to Israeli citizens because they believed the missiles might have been tipped with nerve gas. Nerve gas wasn't sent but it's understandable the Israeli people were very frightened and had expected the worse from Saddam.

Because of the close friendship Saddam had with the US and knowing Israel was a client state of America, Saddam dared not try anything prior to Desert Storm, the first gulf war. But he knew how protected the US was towards Israel so when the US and the coalition chased him out of Kuwait, he sent rockets into Israel.

Since that time, in Netanyahu's mind, Saddam had to go. Under GWB's administration, there were two goals to aim for. For Cheney, it was control of the oil wells and for the Neocons working on behalf of Israel, it was to get rid of Saddam Hussein. Had the coalition not gotten bogged down in Iraq, they would have gone on to Iran and any other country that Israel was afraid of. The US was going to clean up the middle east for Israel.

No, I do not have a link which state Netanyahu said get rid of Saddam Hussein. Just like I don't have a link that Netanyahu would like for the US to go to war against Iran. If a deal is not reached forcing Iran to give up its nuclear facility or its rights to engage in nuclear activity, then the next obvious step is for the US to go to war for Israel.

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@korkamann,

Speaking out against Israel gets you that. Oralboy has called me anti-Semitic more times than I care to mention. He has never said a word against Carlos le Baron who is a Holocaust denier. If anything he's quite oleaginous towards him.

Who'd a thunk? Apparently denying the Holocaust is not anti-Semitic, but saying that Israel should comply with UN resolutions is.

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@korkamann,

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"I guarantee you that [removing Saddam Hussein] will have enormous positive reverberations on the region," he (Netanyahu) said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/03/sorry-prime-minister-netanyahu-iran-is-not-the-islamic-state/

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@korkamann,

Thanks for the background; I probably knew it at the time but I read fast (and often) but don't always process details into deep memory. I was remembering, though, while reading what you described, the gas masks and so on.

On Israel, I was first very pro, and still am in some ways (hard to list, basic empathy). I strongly don't like their actions, and that has helped disintegrate that pro stance into clumps. But.. apparently some of them don't either. On the U.S., don't get me started. On Palestinians, I assume they have divisions within divisions, human nature. They have been going through terrible stuff for a long time now.

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@izzythepush,

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Speaking out against Israel gets you that. Oralboy has called me anti-Semitic more times than I care to mention

I find the poster Oralloy so extreme, that he's set apart from others in a highly conspicuous way; he falls in the category as a social misfit.

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@Olivier5,

Putin has admitted that he had his nuclear arsenal on ready before he started taking Ukraine. Are you saying the rest of the world should disarm themselves in the face of his aggression. He has become as much of an idiot as Neietnayhoo.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

edit - I just read olivier on balance of power, and while it is scary, agree with his point.

This "giving the bad guys parity" nonsense is curious.

Do you also think that bank robbers should be given enough arms to ensure that they have parity with the FBI?

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I strongly don't like their actions,

Let me guess, Jews should never defend themselves when they are attacked?

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@korkamann,

If you notice he aint the only one who calls me, and you, and others, jew haters because its Israel that we hate. In his "mind?" he equates Israel with jewish people over the world who are good no matter what horrors they commit.

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@RABEL222,

what?

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

If you notice he aint the only one who calls me, and you, and others, jew haters because its Israel that we hate. In his "mind?" he equates Israel with jewish people over the world who are good no matter what horrors they commit.

Rabel222, please do not be offended when I suggest when referring to Jewish people we should always capitalize the first letter "J", of the noun, that is "Jewish."

There are people who are very protective of Israel especially remembering the Holocaust. Some people are more sensitive than others and any criticisms of the Jewish state or the Israeli PM one is likely to be called anti-Semitic by people who're unable to determine the difference between honest criticism and hatred of Jews. Posters really should be careful not to overuse the word to the degree it loses its impact after a fashion, becoming meaningless.

There are many prominent Jews speaking out against Netanyahu's untimely visit to speak before the US joint congress...the fact he showed such contempt for the US president ... most realized Netanyahu was using his "undying deep concern" before the Congress to highlight his reelection. The crowning moments of the PM being applauded over and over by the American congress made him look like a true statesman.

I do not believe the PM speaking before the US joint congress helped him over the edge; I believe his saying there will be "no Palestinian state" and the "Arabs are being bussed in to vote" motivated many hardliners and racists to come out and vote who might otherwise stay home instead.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

Thanks for the background; I probably knew it at the time but I read fast (and often) but don't always process details into deep memory. I was remembering, though, while reading what you described, the gas masks and so on.

On Israel, I was first very pro, and still am in some ways (hard to list, basic empathy). I strongly don't like their actions, and that has helped disintegrate that pro stance into clumps. But.. apparently some of them don't either. On the U.S., don't get me started. On Palestinians, I assume they have divisions within divisions, human nature. They have been going through terrible stuff for a long time now.

I believe the US has not helped Israel to grow in a positive way. The US vetoes all UN resolutions against Israel irrespective of the many crimes the Zionist nation has committed against the Pals. Israel is involved in ethnic cleansing; it has done so much damage to Gaza's infrastructure; Palestinian people living in the West Bank are living on top of one another. Whenever Israel go on warring strikes in the West Bank many Pals die. Their books are deliberately burned because Israel claims the books teach Pals to hate Jews. Many times their money is taken by rogue IDF soldiers. Can you imagine the psychological trauma these young Palestinians have to live under daily? It is apartheid.

The irony here is during the Nazi years the Jews were dehumanized, so one wonders why they're unable to see the suffering the Palestinians.

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@RABEL222,

I most often do not capitalize stuff. Get used to it. It is not meant as insult.
Some times I do, in a good mood.
It's the tyranny of elementary school in the fifties, which was when I learned all that.

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@korkamann,

I think that's being harsh on other misfits. He occupies a place so base even the cockroaches look down their noses at it.

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@korkamann,

korkamann wrote:

Some people are more sensitive than others and any criticisms of the Jewish state or the Israeli PM one is likely to be called anti-Semitic by people who're unable to determine the difference between honest criticism and hatred of Jews.

For some centuries now, anti-Semites have been disguising their outrageous false accusations against Jews by pretending that they are only "criticizing" Jews for what they are being falsely accused of.

Despite the fact that people have seen through this from the beginning and continued to call it anti-Semitism, anti-Semites continue to believe that their simplistic game actually disguises their hate.

Maybe after another couple centuries, it'll finally sink in that no one is being fooled.

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