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QUESTIONS FOR THE OZTRALIANS

 
 
Setanta
 
Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 03:45 pm
I have been reading a novel by David Malouf, and although i get most of it, either already knowing the cant and slang, or being able to figure it out from context, there are a few questions i have.

Wowser is used describe a woman, and it seems a term of disapprobation. What does it mean?

One character denies ever having serving "brumm p'tatas"--i get the potatoes part, but what does brumm mean?

When residents of Sydney speak of "out West," are they only talking about the Blue Mountains and beyond?

They talk about pies being sold from street stands. Are these steak and kidney pies? Pork pies?

Several times they mention magpies. Are they an invasive species or are they native to Australia?

I might come back with other questions.
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 03:56 pm
@Setanta,
Wowser is used in the UK, but may possibly have a different meaning in Oz.
Wowser (wowzer) is just another way of saying wow, really. I always thought it was an Americanism.


The Magpies out there are different from the Magpies in the UK, and woke me up the first morning I was there. They have a weird buzz in their whistle.
My sister referred to them as Maggies, and specifically went to the petshop to buy mince (ground) meat to feed them each morning. First the Pink and Greys (parrots) would arrive and feed off the fruit and veg perch in the garden, then as regular as clockwork they would fly off and ten minutes later the Maggies would arrive en masse.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 03:57 pm
@Setanta,
Magpies are served from street stands. I can not recommend them as the feathers tend to stick in one's teeth.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 04:08 pm
Steak and Kidney always reminds me of my old dad.

When I was very young, he asked if I wanted some steak and kiddlee pie.

Me: " You said kiddlee"

Him: "No I didn't"

Me: " Yes you did. You said kiddlee"

He then turned to my two grinning brothers and asked "I didn't say kiddle-eye, diddle-eye?"


Here's a Maggie singing....




Definitely looks like a Corvid.


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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 04:10 pm
@Setanta,
Can't answer all those questions but :-

Wowser I always related to "wow" then adding the ending as slang BUT, not the case. It's Australian slang but isn't aimed at only women. It relates to someone as a derogatory word describing a person who saps all the fun out of any given situation.

pies: - Pie Floater. Meat pie with pea soup and tomato sauce. In my 20's I admit, to having a couple. Really tastes good looks disgusting. So I might as well add a disgusting photo.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/simongilbert/PieFloater.jpg

We used to call them pie carts
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/lorriely/Portland%20Food%20Carts/native-bowl-food-cart.jpg


Magpies.

Meet "Flappy" that's because he flaps his wings at us to let us know it's him to get his bit of mince:)

Black and white Magpies are an Australian species of maggies and New Guinea, though there are several species all different colours across the World.

They are mostly male and they swoop humans if 100 metres near their nests but are part of the Crow family and Australian footballers have teams called "The Crows" and "Maggies" go the maggies. A lot of "us" Aussies, can't help ourselves and feeds these birds. They are highly intelligent.



http://i873.photobucket.com/albums/ab292/CHANDLERSWISH/001-2.jpg

Flappy and his lot, are the smaller versions here. We call them piking shrikes.

The large magpies look like this below:- We have two babies at present that come in the morning with the "parents" to also get food. I must work harder, the costs of feeding all these pests is a lot ..

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu257/kevinagar/Round%20The%20World%20Trip/Australia/IMG_8003.jpg
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 05:09 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
"Pie Floater. Meat pie with pea soup "

I wonder if that comes from the old Cockney Pie, mash and liquor?

Looks similar......
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6199/6142026052_9e9dae27e0_z.jpg
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 05:27 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Yum!! That sauce reminds me of white wine with parsley and a touch of corn flower?

Quote:
In the Adelaide city centre in the 1880s, there were 13 pie-carts operating in King William Street and North Terrace. By 1915 there were nine pie-carts in operation. By 1958 this had reduced to two:
Guess when I was around eating them Wink

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 05:36 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Oh, this is great, thanks, foundy. Wowser could have relevence at a2k!

I like maggies from all over, but..
I've never had to deal with them.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 10:33 pm
Thanks, you dared ol' girl. Wowzer as you define it fits the context in which i read it. Now another one has come up, which i had forgotten before. That's pikelet--from context, it's some kind of food.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 10:33 pm
Found, you didn't tell me what "brumm" means. Do you recognize it?
Pearlylustre
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 11:31 pm
@Setanta,
I made pikelets yesterday! They're like a small pancake that you eat in your fingers. Yummy hot with butter and when I was a kid someone would always bring a plate of cold pikelets (with butter) to afternoon teas and things like that. They're rather old-fashioned now.
Australian meat pies are made with beef mince.
I'm not sure about brumm.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2015 11:36 pm
@Pearlylustre,
I'm guessing these are what you do if you don't have crumpet apparatus, as I don't.
I happen to love crumpets and might love picklets
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:06 am
@Setanta,
Are ya sure it didn't read "bumm " ?

I have never heard that expression..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2CxBMu0bU

Winnie the Pooh, also called Pooh Bear is a fictional yellow-furred, overweight, anthropomorphic display teddy bear..

Erm, eating (yellow) potatoes makes you over weight? And, also makes you a big teddy bear?

bumm er........................
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cherrie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:17 am
@Setanta,
Wowser is often used as a word for some-one who doesn't drink, and doesn't really approve of drinking. That fits in with what Foundy said about them sucking all the fun out of everything.

Depending on the context 'out west' could refer to the Western suburbs of Sydney, rather than the area beyond the Blue Mountains.

Adelaide is famous for the pie-floater. I've never seen that particular delicacy sold anywhere else. But the Australian pie is made from minced beef - or at least minced cow, it's best not to look too closely.

I have no idea what brumm means, I've never heard the word before.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:20 am
@Setanta,
Actually, could be that the Author has travelled, & a Chef called Jason Brumm has served up potatoes perhaps like we are used to here in Aussie Land.

But I like my first version MUCH better!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:38 am
@Pearlylustre,
Cheers. Boss . . . i did google pikelets, and came up with about 15 different things. The story is set in the period of about 1920 to 1975.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:40 am
@cherrie,
Your version of Wowser works best for the context i read.

I have many years experience of ignoring the ingredients of things made from "meat." I think i could learn to like those pies.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:45 am
One can get all sorts of English food in Canadia--true bangers (getting harder to find, though), tea cakes, digestive biscuits . . . and crumpets. I like crumpets, although they're usually rather greasy if you spread butter on them. I think i might like the pikelets better, though.
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Pearlylustre
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:47 am
@ossobuco,
Different to crumpets here . Crumpets here are usually bought rather than homemade and just cooked in a toaster. Pikelets are made in a fry pan.
Pearlylustre
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2015 12:55 am
@Setanta,
A lot of the pikelets on google images are thicker than we have here and look a bit overcooked and oily. They shouldn't have holes in them (you have to flip them at the first sign of holes). This is what our pikelets look like:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/wajo65/download_zpsh6ova0bv.jpg
 

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