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Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:22 am
@ehBeth,
19. READY FOR A VACATION (18 - 23)
This may be a subject you’d prefer to tackle sometime after Labor Day.

I was nicer on one or two of those.


Maybe I should retake the test.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:26 am
@ossobuco,
I hear you, I would love to be on vocation right now, but my husband just retired, money is kinda tight. I had a bad wreck a few years ago which messed up my leg and my back, so I have been sitting a lot more doing this right here. He says if I start getting up and walking again, we might still go somewhere. The weather is finally turning somewhat springy so maybe I will....looking into yoga.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:31 am
@ossobuco,
it was an interesting little quiz

definitely got me right
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2015 10:33 am
You could tell by the answers choices the person(s) who wrote it, really don't care for her much. I really didn't have any answers just kind of picked one in each. I ended up with, so very ready.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 06:46 am
A Newcomer to Populism? Hillary Clinton Campaign Begs to Differ.
In her first week as a 2016 presidential candidate, Hillary Rodham Clinton seemed to channel another high-profile Democrat. “The deck is stacked in their favor,” Mrs. Clinton said of the wealthy and powerful. “My job is to reshuffle the cards.”

The line echoed a phrase that helped make Senator Elizabeth Warren the populist icon of her party. “The game is rigged,” Ms. Warren often says. “Rigged to work for those who have money and power.”

Before that there was Mrs. Clinton’s tribute to Ms. Warren in Time magazine. “She never hesitates to hold powerful people’s feet to the fire,” Mrs. Clinton wrote in the issue honoring the top 100 influential people.

For anyone who wondered what kind of economic message Mrs. Clinton would deliver in her campaign, the first few days made it clear: She is embracing the ideas trumpeted by Ms. Warren and the populist movement — that the wealthy have been benefiting disproportionately from the economy, while the middle class and the poor have been left behind. And the policies Mrs. Clinton is advancing, like paid sick leave for employees and an increase in the minimum wage, align with that emphasis.

But now, the former secretary of state must convince voters that she is the right messenger for the cause of inequality, not simply seizing on it out of political expedience.

Nothing stings her inner circle more than the suggestion that their candidate is late to these issues. Mrs. Clinton was the original Elizabeth Warren, her advisers say, a populist fighter who for decades has been an advocate for families and children; only now have the party and primary voters caught up.

“I don’t know why we have this semicollective amnesia about her past positions,” said Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress and Mrs. Clinton’s policy director in 2008. “She’s following no one on these issues.”

But affirming Mrs. Clinton’s sincerity as a populist, especially given her reputation for caution and careful consideration of political moves, is proving an uphill battle. The assessment by Bloomberg Politics after Mrs. Clinton’s first campaign stops was that she is “terrified of the left.”

It is easy to forget that for years, Mrs. Clinton weathered criticism that she was too liberal, the socialist foil to her husband’s centrist agenda. Economists in the Clinton administration referred to the first lady and her aides as “the Bolsheviks.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/politics/hillary-clintons-quest-to-prove-her-populist-edge-is-as-strong-as-elizabeth-warrens.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 06:48 am
@joefromchicago,
Reread.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 06:55 am
@izzythepush,
You definately got that right. I am voting for Hillary IF: my party (GOP) doesn't come up with a candidate I can vote for (it hasn't since GHWB), or the Dems can't come up with a better one.

I prefer Elizabeth Warren, but she's been so effective as a Senator, I'd like to see her stay there and at least do one term. I also love Bernie Sanders, but he too has been very effective in the Senate, too.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 08:08 am
@bobsal u1553115,
What's to reread? You said that you worked in a closed-shop state, and, in support, you posted something that said (accurately) that the Taft-Hartley Act invalidated closed-shop laws. I'm not sure how something that contradicts your position can support your position, but maybe you can provide a solution to that puzzle.

Furthermore, you said that you belonged to the AFL-CIO, and, in response, you posted an article about Rick Perry, who claimed that he was a "card-carrying member of the AFL-CIO." A quick check of easily available sources, however, would have revealed two problems with that claim: (1) Rick Perry is a congenital idiot; and (2) Perry is a card-carrying member of SAG-AFTRA, not the AFL-CIO. SAG-AFTRA is a union that is a member of the AFL-CIO, but that doesn't make Perry a member of the AFL-CIO. That's because the AFL-CIO is a labor federation, not a labor union.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 08:38 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The trends actually favor the R's, The D's having driven away white voters at a much higher rate than they have added minority voters.


You like to believe the crap you make up, don't you.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 10:35 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
The trends actually favor the R's, The D's having driven away white voters at a much higher rate than they have added minority voters.


You like to believe the crap you make up, don't you.


Do you not believe NPR anymore?

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/02/374511123/democrats-problem-white-working-class-voters

How about WP?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/20/the-democratic-partys-number-one-problem-visualized/

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2014/11/CollegeSplit.png&w=1484

You sir are either lying or ignorant.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:01 am
@hawkeye10,
Sorry about the image size, I have forgotten again how to fix that. Anyway, the D's white voter problem has been all over the news, there is no excuse for anyone at this point to not be aware of the problem. For the last 10 years D's have been fixated on minority voters, they consider them and their growing ranks to be what will put them over the top election after election. But they did not understand that whites now and for the reasonable future vote in much higher numbers, the D's need to look after the interests of Whites, and they have not. Constantly selling minority victim stories and telling white that we should be ashamed and should let the government hand over even more money to minorities.... as the economy fails to produce a decent number of decently paying jobs, has sunk the D's. We see Hillary trying to counter that in this campaign, but she is not believable, so I dont think it will work. I think the R's take POTUS unless they screw up, and maybe keep the Senate.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:03 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Hilkary is just too rich for any pro-poor picture to stick on her. She's here to PRETEND to reshuffle the cards.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:04 am
@hawkeye10,
The contest will not come down to white against non-white...

...but sane versus not so sane.

In that contest, the Dems are going to win...

...although I think it better to portray it as, "the Republicans will lose."
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:04 am
@hawkeye10,
Everyone knew in 2012 democrats were loosing white blue collar workers due to Obama winning the white house. It was those voters who were for Hillary in 2008. I say, no big loss and it wasn't the reason we lost the senate in 2014, we lost the senate because we (democrats) simply didn't care enough, shame on us.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:11 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
Everyone knew in 2012 democrats were loosing white blue collar workers due to Obama winning the white house

That is what the D's keep telling themselves. THey are wrong. D's keep losing whites because the D's dont offer the whites anything, the D's do not act like they understand the reality of being white in America.

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parados
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:15 am
@hawkeye10,
Wow. Do you really believe those 2 report what you said? I'll give you a hint. They don't say the D's are driving away white voters.

Quote:
Do you not believe NPR anymore?

NPR interviewed someone from the Center for American Progress where he says something is 'possible' that you extrapolate from and now tell us is fact.. That isn't NPR doing reporting on a subject at all. It is an interview. If they interviewed David Icke would you tell us that NPR is reporting that the Queen of England is a shape shifting lizard?

Based on your 2 links your statement is still crap that you have convinced yourself is true.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 11:53 am
@parados,
The only thing that is debatable is why are whites leaving the D's, is it because the president is part black as the D's generally believe, or is it something else.

You know my opinion on the matter.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 12:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
We know you think your opinion is fact.

Percentage of voters is not evidence of a major shift in number of voters moving toward the GOP since 75% of 100 is less than 50% of 200. Participation rate in off elections in no way can be used to show how all those that didn't show up will vote when they do show up in a Presidential election.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 12:18 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't know if Hillary Clinton is a newcomer to populism or not. But I find it interesting that The Godmother of Populism has become a title that Democratic contenders find worth claiming and competing for. Wasn't it just five six years ago that their main slogan seed to be, "we're like Republicans, just not as crazy"?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2015 12:20 pm
@Thomas,
Democrats - We aren't your aunt and we don't live in your attic!
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