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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 09:37 am
@Baldimo,
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Yes, tell it to the coal miners who had their job artificially killed due to overbearing regulations...

The regulations aren't imposed on industry to prevent the owners of the mines from making money for christ's sake, they're there to protect miners from unsafe working conditions and the public from the effects of pollution. If the industry demonstrated responsibility for the health of its workforce and and the quality of the environment we wouldn't need government regulation.
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...their jobs didn't go away because of the natural job industry changing process.

Yes they did. The most productive coal seams were mined out in the Appalachians and the current process of extraction there is much more capital intensive. Automation has also replaced jobs in the east and in the big western strip mines.
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How about when if it's determined that self-driving truck produce less pollution and traffic, will you still support the truck driver or the tech that will replace him?

Except that has nothing to do with my comment about truckers appropriating the name of the occupation they replaced. The new industry did allow for cleaner streets without the tons of horse manure seen in the past but whether horse **** on the streets is worse than industrial **** in your lungs is debatable.
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Not sure why that is always the answer from you guys. When are people going to be responsible for themselves, make sure they are looking to the future and what the job market will bring?

Most people aren't in a position to see into the future and walk away from a good-paying job because they suspect it might not be there some time in the future. Especially when there are entire communities which are based around a particular industry and tens of thousands of people are laid off when a plant shuts down and all the supporting industries are affected as well. Is it really so wrong to tap into the vast wealth of the country and temporarily help hardworking people who've lost their jobs through no fault of their own, maybe providing job training, relocation services, and loans? What a bunch of niggardly skinflints.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 09:39 am

https://i.imgur.com/QDp3BxN.png
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 10:59 am
@hightor,
You can't reason with lickspittles, servility is wired in.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 11:41 am
@hightor,
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The regulations aren't imposed on industry to prevent the owners of the mines from making money for christ's sake, they're there to protect miners from unsafe working conditions and the public from the effects of pollution. If the industry demonstrated responsibility for the health of its workforce and and the quality of the environment we wouldn't need government regulation.

Health of the worker, do you really expect me to believe that? The left targets the things they don't like with laws and regulations while at the same time telling us it's for our own good... they lie!

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Yes they did. The most productive coal seams were mined out in the Appalachians and the current process of extraction there is much more capital intensive. Automation has also replaced jobs in the east and in the big western strip mines.

That isn't true, the mines started shutting down after the regulations from the EPA, which specifillly targeted the coal industry, just like they tried to target the oil industry here in CO and failed. Just like leftists though, they are trying to go around the will of the people after the election. It's the same old crap from the anti-energy left.

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Except that has nothing to do with my comment about truckers appropriating the name of the occupation they replaced.

What did that comment have to do with jobs changing?

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Most people aren't in a position to see into the future and walk away from a good-paying job because they suspect it might not be there some time in the future.

People are smarter than you give them credit for. When the middle management jobs of the 80's started going away because of computers, what did they do? People shift into the new industries, except where it makes more sense to use tech instead of people. The days of fast food workers is coming to an end and mostly due to silly pay demands. $15hr to hand out burgers and fries?

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Is it really so wrong to tap into the vast wealth of the country and temporarily help hardworking people who've lost their jobs through no fault of their own, maybe providing job training, relocation services, and loans?

It's never temporary though. Once we create a program it is impossible to end that program, in fact politicians and their flunkies will find a way to keep a worthless program going just for votes. We already have over 170 different social welfare programs in the US, to include numerous job training programs, how much more do you think we need?

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What a bunch of niggardly skinflints.

It's sad that you think the money belongs to the govt and not the people who actually earned it, nothing is more noble than spending other people's money. You wonder why I question your resolve when it comes to capitalism?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 11:44 am
@izzythepush,
This coming from a serf who wouldn't know liberty or freedom unless it hit him in the face. You don't even understand the concept of freedom of speech, you are a fascist of the worst order.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:09 pm
@Baldimo,
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Health of the worker, do you really expect me to believe that?

I don't really care what you believe.
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The first federal statute directly regulating non-coal mines did not appear until the passage of the Federal Metal and Nonmetallic Mine Safety Act of 1966. The 1966 Act provided for the promulgation of standards, many of which were advisory, and for inspections and investigations; however, its enforcement authority was minimal.

The Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act of 1969, generally referred to as the Coal Act, was more comprehensive and more stringent than any previous Federal legislation governing the mining industry. The Coal Act included surface as well as underground coal mines within its scope, required two annual inspections of every surface coal mine and four at every underground coal mine, and dramatically increased federal enforcement powers in coal mines. The Coal Act also required monetary penalties for all violations, and established criminal penalties for knowing and willful violations. The safety standards for all coal mines were strengthened, and health standards were adopted. The Coal Act included specific procedures for the development of improved mandatory health and safety standards, and provided compensation for miners who were totally and permanently disabled by the progressive respiratory disease caused by the inhalation of fine coal dust pneumoconiosis or "black lung".

In 1973, the Secretary of the Interior, through administrative action, created the Mining Enforcement and Safety Administration (MESA) as a new departmental agency separate from the Bureau of Mines. MESA assumed the safety and health enforcement functions formerly carried out by the Bureau to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest between the enforcement of mine safety and health standards and the Bureau's responsibilities for mineral resource development.

Next, Congress passed the Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977 (Mine Act), the legislation which currently governs MSHA's activities. The Mine Act amended the 1969 Coal Act in a number of significant ways, and consolidated all federal health and safety regulations of the mining industry, coal as well as non-coal mining, under a single statutory scheme. The Mine Act strengthened and expanded the rights of miners, and enhanced the protection of miners from retaliation for exercising such rights. Mining fatalities dropped sharply under the Mine Act from 272 in 1977 to 86 in 2000. The Mine Act also transferred responsibility for carrying out its mandates from the Department of the Interior to the Department of Labor, and named the new agency the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA). Additionally, the Mine Act established the independent Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission to provide for independent review of the majority of MSHA's enforcement actions.

In 2006, Congress passed the Mine Improvement and New Emergency Response Act (MINER Act). The MINER Act amended the Mine Act to require mine-specific emergency response plans in underground coal mines; added new regulations regarding mine rescue teams and sealing of abandoned areas; required prompt notification of mine accidents; and enhanced civil penalties.

US Dept of Labor
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That isn't true, the mines started shutting down after the regulations from the EPA...

You're just quoting inane talking points from your right-wing playbook.
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There are two questions we asked at the beginning of this brief: What happened to the coal industry? And what happened to coal jobs? The coal industry expanded dramatically from 1950 to 2010 and has declined moderately for the past few years, for the very clear and logical reasons articulated here.

What happened to coal jobs is even simpler. It is the same thing that happened throughout much of the country — productivity gains led to fewer workers needed to produce the same output.

An additional force hurt coal employment — regional competition between the East and the West. The labor-lean West has taken significant market share from the labor-intensive East. The result is that far fewer miners are needed.

Some policies have been proposed to bring back coal jobs. One is to cut environmental regulations, both on coal and natural gas production. But think about that move — it will probably accelerate the decline of coal, as natural gas makes further inroads into the market.

Eliminating regulation can have many consequences. Weakening regulation on railroads in the 1970s and 1980s resulted in job losses in Eastern coal.

What is clear from this discussion is that environmental regulations did not kill coal. Progress is the culprit.

stanford
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:11 pm
@Baldimo,
I doubt, Baldimo, that you have an idea what serfdom was. (But I do agree that serfdom died out in the 16th century in England without any special legislation against it.)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If America brings it back, he's ready. He already thinks like a slave.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
fascist of the worst order.
Besides that I most certainly have a different understanding to yours (mine is that what is generally accepted), besides that: what is your ranking of fascism? What are the qualifications to be considered as a better or a worse fascist?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm
@izzythepush,
Says the guy who lives in a country with the most camera's watching you... tell me again about the First Amendment rights? You can get arrested in the UK for hurting someone's feelings, how is that freedom?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Freedom of speech is a good start. A free people can say what they want without being afraid of going to jail or paying a fine.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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(mine is that what is generally accepted)

Like Islam coexisting with a tolerant culture? Generally accepted, but not anywhere near the truth.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:47 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
tell me again about the First Amendment rights?
Since the UK doesn't have a written constitution, where did you find the amendment to it?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 12:51 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Freedom of speech is a good start.
You mean something like calling it "fake news" in your attack against the remaining journalists who are trying to report the facts? I agree.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Since the UK doesn't have a written constitution, where did you find the amendment to it?

I was asking which Amendment in the UK protects their right to free speech, since we know there is no Constitution in the UK we already know Americans are more free than those in the UK.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:16 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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You mean something like calling it "fake news" in your attack against the remaining journalists who are trying to report the facts? I agree.

Please explain how calling BS news stories is infringing on someone's free speech? No one is preventing them from writing the stories, let alone the govt.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:20 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
I was asking which Amendment in the UK protects their right to free speech, since we know there is no Constitution in the UK we already know Americans are more free than those in the UK.
I don't understand how an amendment to an unwritten constitution can be made. My bad.
(But actually, you asked "about the First Amendment rights" and not "which Amendment in the UK protects their right to free speech").

I don't understand either, why an unwritten constitution is called by you "no Constitution". My bad again - I must have forgotten even the basics since I studied constitutional law at university.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
What guarantee's the right to free speech in the UK? What guarantees free speech in Germany?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:39 pm
@Baldimo,
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What guarantee's the right to free speech in the UK? What guarantees free speech in Germany?

There is no free speech and there are no guarantees. Each one of those have become quite clear.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Dec, 2018 01:45 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
What guarantees free speech in Germany?
Our Basic Law (constitution) ...

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Article 5 [Freedom of expression]

(1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing, and pictures and to inform himself without hindrance from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.
(2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of general laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons, and in the right to personal honor.
(3) Art and scholarship, research, and teaching shall be free. The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from allegiance to the constitution.

... respectively the Federal Constitutional Court
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The Federal Constitutional Court's duty is to ensure that the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Germany (Grundgesetz – Basic Law) is obeyed.

 

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