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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

What guarantee's the right to free speech in the UK?

In the UK (that's under English and Welsh law as well as under Scottish and Northern Irish law) it's now regulated via the European Convention on Human Rights when it became incorporated in UK law.
(Under Article 8, the Human Rights Act states that everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life, their home and their correspondence.
But the law also guarantees everyone's right to freedom of expression, which allows them to hold opinions and receive and impart information and ideas without interference.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Ok, now back to the original question, how about the UK, what guarantees their freedom of speech?

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@Baldimo,

Under what nitwit notion do you think the UK doesn’t have freedom of speech?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

Ok, now back to the original question, how about the UK, what guarantees their freedom of speech?

I already wrote:

In the UK (that's under English and Welsh law as well as under Scottish and Northern Irish law) it's now regulated via the European Convention on Human Rights when it became incorporated in UK law.
(Under Article 8, the Human Rights Act states that everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life, their home and their correspondence.
But the law also guarantees everyone's right to freedom of expression, which allows them to hold opinions and receive and impart information and ideas without interference.)

I'm not willing to search rulings, and as already written above: this wasn't "the original question". (But even if it was: you can't make a "First Amendment" to an unwritten constitution.)

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@glitterbag,

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Under what nitwit notion do you think the UK doesn’t have freedom of speech?

No, they don't have freedom of speech when people can be arrested for making posts on social media that some find offensive. It's difficult to have freedom of speech if you can be arrested for hurting someone's feelings.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po

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This is a country whose communications laws and public-order legislation can be, and regularly are, used to punish hateful expression. Last year The Times reported that British police are arresting nine people a day for posting "offensive messages online." In 2016, 3,300 people were detained and questioned for things they said online. In some parts of Britain the arrest rate for offensive speech has risen by nearly 900% in recent years. We Brits are sleepwalking into a police state.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

When you can be arrested for posting rap lyrics, that isn't freedom of speech. In fact people can report you to the police and have you arrested if they find what your write to be offensive.

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How can 38% of Americans support a man that has lied to them over 7000 times?

They're stupid...

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

No, they don't have freedom of speech when people can be arrested for making posts on social media that some find offensive. It's difficult to have freedom of speech if you can be arrested for hurting someone's feelings.
... ... ...
When you can be arrested for posting rap lyrics, that isn't freedom of speech. In fact people can report you to the police and have you arrested if they find what your write to be offensive.

I'm no expert in constitutional law of the UK nor the criminal laws of England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (just know a bit more than basics about the criminal law of England & Wales)

But I do know that it is different to those in the USA.

Same situation regarding Germany.
For instance, in the First Amendment to the US Constitution
freedom of expression is not constitutionally restricted - in contrast to the constitutional guarantee mentioned in Article 5 (2) and Article 17a of the German Basic Law.
American law also differs from German law in that that in the event of a collision between freedom of expression and other fundamental rights, there is no weighing of interests in individual cases.

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@Walter Hinteler,

So there is no guarantee of free speech in the UK, while there is free speech in the US. Our Constitution is used to limit the power of our federal govt, not to limit the people in what they are allowed to do. I see this as a major difference between being a free person and being a serf with no guarantee's. Besides the BS example, "can't yell fire in a theater", I can not be arrested for saying something that someone doesn't like, no one can report what I post to the police who will come and arrest me.

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@Walter Hinteler,

To put it simply: in Europe (Europe, the continent), speech Is an alienable right (see as an example this ECHR ruling:
https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22itemid%22:[%22002-12171%22]}
[you must copy everything, sorry]

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

I see this as a major difference between being a free person and being a serf with no guarantee's.

The term "serf" obviously has a different meaning for you as well than it's used here (in British English as well as in other European languages).

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@glitterbag,

He thinks whatever bollocks he's told to think. Reality doesn't feature, all it has to do is confirm his prejudices.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Generally speaking: I think It is very difficult (and mostly impossible) to demand the same rights that one has in one's place of residence in other countries as well.

Social state (welfare state) [Basic Law, Art. 20 Para. (1)] is one of fundamental principles of Germany's democracy that can never be removed from our constitution, even by parliament ("eternity clause" [Ewigkeitsklausel]).

I don't think that someone would get the idea to say, the USA ....

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Talking of freedom of speech. This popular kid's programme was made over here by a lot of Americans blacklisted by McCarthy. They came somewhere fascists like Baldimo weren't able to take away their free speech.

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@izzythepush,

This coming from a guy who's country arrested someone for posting rap lyrics on her Instagram account...

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Get YOUR facts straight. It was a state responsibility not federal.

Wrong. The EPA is a federal agency that is responsible for protecting our drinking water.

Obama just didn't care about the people of Flint.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I doubt, Baldimo, that you have an idea what serfdom was.

Serfs do not have the right to carry arms.

Free people do.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

But I do agree that serfdom died out in the 16th century in England without any special legislation against it.

It didn't die out. The entire world outside US borders are serfs.

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@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

How can 38% of Americans support a man that has lied to them over 7000 times?

Obama was the guy who lied and said if we liked our health plans we could keep them.

And then he lied again and said he was forcing people off their plans because they were substandard.

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@oralloy,

You can recall Obama's 1 (2?) lies but you can't see any lies Trump has told?

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@snood,

I don’t understand it but some of these guys get all weak kneed over the aura of Trump. It’s very strange, who on God’s green earth would want their son to turn out like that thuggish dope.

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@snood,

It's called a selective memory, a major prerequisite for bigots and lickspittles of all types, stops that pesky reality from sticking its head out.

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