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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2025 04:34 am
@Brandon9000,
It says a lot about you that you believe foreably inserting your fingers in a 14 yr old's vagina is acceptable behaviour.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2025 06:38 am

Quote:
‘He’s a lot of fun to be with’: Trump and Epstein were close friends for 15 years
As Trump tries to claim he was ‘not a fan’ of Epstein, photos, videos and anecdotes paint a picture of a their relationship

It was a friendship that spanned three different decades. To Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein was a “terrific guy”. Epstein believed himself to be Trump’s “closest friend”, and praised the future president as “charming”.

The relationship would eventually break down, the men falling out over a bidding war on a property in Florida. And after Epstein was convicted of child sex offences in 2008, Trump distanced himself from the financier, claiming he was “not a fan” and wondering, in recent days, why his supporters would “waste time and energy” on demanding that FBI and Department of Justice files on Epstein be released.

But photos, videos and anecdotes paint a picture of a close friendship, of two middle-aged men who repeatedly partied together both alone and with their partners, including with Melania Knauss, who would go on to become Trump’s third wife.

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

Trump’s insight into Epstein’s predilections would be proved true in macabre fashion, when Epstein was found guilty in 2008 of sexually abusing girls aged between 14 and 17 years old. When Epstein was charged with sex trafficking of minors, in 2019, Trump attempted to play down their relationship, insisting: “I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.” Trump said the pair had fallen out years earlier, and claimed: “I was not a fan of his.”

But during the 15 years that the men were friends, there were plenty of incidents that displayed Trump and Epstein’s closeness.

The New York Times reported that in 1992, George Houraney, a Florida-based businessman, had organized a “calendar girl” competition at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private members’ club where he would later live full-time.

Houraney flew more than two dozen women to Mar-a-Lago, but he had a surprise when they arrived.

“I arranged to have some contestants fly in,” Houraney told the Times. “At the very first party, I said, ‘Who’s coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming.’ It was him and Epstein.”

Houraney said he was surprised. “I said: ‘Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You’re telling me it’s you and Epstein?’”

It ended up being just Trump and Epstein.

Back then, Trump made no secret of the friendship. He was pictured with Epstein at events and parties from New York to Florida.

Video from a party at Mar-a-Lago in 1992 shows the pair in conversation as a dance track booms through the speakers. Trump whispers something into Epstein’s ear, prompting Epstein to bend over laughing. The tape was aired by NBC News during Trump’s first term as president, and the news channel reported that it showed both Trump and Epstein pointing out women, while at one point Trump gestures to a woman and says: “Look at her, back there … she’s hot.”

In 1993 Stacey Williams, then a professional model, visited Trump at Trump Tower with Epstein. On arrival, she would later tell the Guardian, Trump put his hands “all over my breasts”, waist and buttocks while Trump and Epstein smiled at each other, in what she believed was a “twisted game” between the two men.

“It became very clear then that he and Donald were really, really good friends and spent a lot of time together,” Williams said in 2024. Karoline Leavitt, then a spokesperson for Trump’s election campaign, described Williams’s accusations as “unequivocally false. It’s obvious this fake story was contrived by the Harris campaign.”

What is undeniable is that the men maintained their relationship through the 1990s. They were photographed at Mar-a-Lago, and the same year were pictured together at a Victoria’s Secret Angels event in New York. The relationship endured. Photos show Trump and Epstein with Melania Trump and Ghislaine Maxwell at an event in 2000. Maxwell would be sentenced to 20 years in prison in 2022 for procuring teen girls for Jeffrey Epstein for him to abuse – when she was charged with the crimes Trump responded: “I just wish her well, frankly.”

The Wall Street Journal also reported on Thursday that Trump allegedly wrote Epstein a birthday card as part of a 50th birthday album organized by Ghislaine Maxwell in 2003. The letter was fashioned in the shape of a woman’s body, and comprised of an imaginary dialogue between the two, the Journal said.

“Donald: We have certain things in common, Jeffrey.

Jeffrey: Yes, we do, come to think of it.

Donald: Enigmas never age, have you noticed that?” it read, with Trump’s signature squiggled as it were pubic hair on the outline of the body.

Trump once believed Epstein to be a terrific guy, but he wasn’t the only one who talked up the friendship. Years later Epstein would tell the journalist Michael Wolff that he had been Trump’s “closest friend for 10 years”, in audio tapes published on Wolff’s Fire and Fury podcast last year. Epstein also told Wolff that Trump liked to “**** the wives of his best friends”, and said the first time he slept with Melania Trump was on Epstein’s plane. Trump’s camp claimed that Wolff was engaging in “false smears” and “election interference”.

The close friendship wouldn’t last. The relationship soured in 2004, according to reports, after the pair became embroiled in a bidding war over a property in Palm Beach. In 2019, after Epstein was arrested, he said had not spoken to Trump for 15 years. And despite his own close relationship with Epstein, Trump would go on to criticize others for the same thing, with Bill Clinton a particular source of deflection. Trump even shared a conspiracy theory that the former president was involved in Epstein’s death – ironically sparking more intrigue in the case. Trump told reporters days after Epstein died:

“The question you have to ask is, did Bill Clinton go to the island? Because Epstein had an island. That was not a good place, as I understand it, and I was never there.” Trump adds: “So you have to ask, did Bill Clinton go to the island? That’s the question. If you find that out, you’re going to know a lot.”

Clinton has denied going to the Little St James island, which Epstein owned and later became synonymous with his crimes.

Trump now finds himself in a mess that is partly of his own making. The “Epstein didn’t commit suicide” conspiracy theory in which he dabbled quickly spread among rightwing commentators and media figures – many of whom demanded that documents related to Epstein’s associates be released. When the Department of Justice failed to do so last week, it caused a rarely seen rift between Trump and his supporters, with Trump trying to brush off the saga, and his supporters angry at a perceived lack of transparency.

When Trump was elected in 2024, his supporters believed they were getting an administration that was anti-swamp and pro-open government, the kind of government that holds back no secrets. But looking back at Trump’s statements on the Epstein files during the campaign, the president appeared to be leaving himself wriggle room.

Asked in an interview in September if he would declassify “the 9/11 files” and “the JFK files”, Trump said yes. He is then asked if he would declassify “the Epstein files”, and initially said yes, but added:

“I think that [declassifying the Epstein files], less so, because you don’t know – you don’t want to affect people’s lives if there’s phoney stuff in there, because there’s a lot of phoney stuff with that whole world.”

That wavering hasn’t helped Trump, however, as he has attempted to quash his supporters’ rebellion. In a cabinet meeting last week the president expressed surprise that people were “still talking” about Epstein, later pleading with his base to “not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about”.

How wrong he was. It turns out loads of people care about Jeffrey Epstein – particularly the people who support Trump. It was something Trump addressed on Wednesday, when he explicitly attacked his supporters in a post on Truth Social. “​​My PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker,” Trump wrote.

He added: “I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any president in our country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the fake news and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”

Trump revels in his relationship with rank-and-file rightwing Americans, a relationship that has benefited him to the tune of two presidential terms and hundreds of millions of dollars. For the past decade it has seemed as if that relationship could endure any scandal, any broken promise.

But now, for the first time, Trump is finding cracks in his support. That past friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, the “terrific guy” turned “creep”, could prove to be the president’s undoing.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/trump-epstein-friendship
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2025 04:44 pm
Listen up, weaklings: there’s no Epstein client list. Why are you so obsessed? Yours, Donald J Trump
Marina Hyde
Source

It’s the bonfire of the Maga hats. The real mystery is where their wearers got the idea of a paedophile conspiracy from in the first place

You have to feel for Donald Trump’s Maga base. The one huge secret they didn’t want disclosed was that he actually really hates them. All populists despise their people, obviously – but please, Mr President, respect the playbook! You’re supposed to do it quietly. Regrettably, no one could accuse Trump of hiding his spite under a bushel after a week in which he described those of his supporters who want him to simply do what he repeatedly promised, and release the so-called Epstein files, as “weaklings” and “stupid people”. This is quite the (public) volte face from the guy who originally swept to office declaring “I love the poorly educated”.

Most of you are unlikely to need a recap at this stage, but Jeffrey Epstein is the sex-trafficking financier and socialite, who conveniently died in jail while awaiting trial, apparently by suicide. A woman, Ghislaine Maxwell, was convicted of conspiring with him to sexually abuse minors, and is currently serving 20 years in a low-security Florida prison. But no big-hitting or even small-hitting male associate in the US has so much as been arrested for participating in what I believe the dead paedophile would have encouraged us to call his “lifestyle”. This second Trump administration didn’t just sweep to power while repeatedly screaming about the “cover-up” of this story, but it spent a good portion of its early months assuring its ravenous base that Epstein’s supposed “client list” was on a desk waiting for release approval. Yet now, Trump and his associates say there is no list. Nope. Never even was a list. Where did these weakling idiots get that idea? To summarise his administration’s position: “We took a look at the deep state and it turns out to be very shallow. Seriously, I’m standing in it right now and it doesn’t even come up to my knees.”

Understandably, a significant proportion of the Maga crowd are not taking this well at all. One of the key takeouts of Trump’s rise has been that as long as you tell people that up is down or black is white in an engaging or sufficiently discombobulating fashion, truth is an extremely low-status commodity in contemporary politics. But, contrary to perceived trends, it seems that there do still exist some subjects on which you can only push even your own people so far. Maybe the ancient political adage still holds true: live by the paedo conspiracy, die by the paedo conspiracy.

Late on Thursday, as footage of people burning Maga hats spread online, a palpably frustrated Trump announced that he was instructing the attorney general, Pam Bondi, to seek release of the Epstein grand jury testimony, “based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein”. Though you’ll note the president failed to add the two key words: “by me”. Still, it’s good to hear Trump characterising what’s currently happening as “publicity”, confirming that he sees even the desire to see justice served on a suspected paedophile sex-trafficker and his associates as a form of limelight – which, like all limelight, should by rights be his.

It feels harder to sustain the idea that there is nothing to see here, especially when leading wingnuts such as the Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, far-right activist Laura Loomer, Fox host Laura Ingraham, talkshow queen Megyn Kelly, Maga whisperer Steve Bannon and even the US House speaker, Mike Johnson, are out there pushing the base conviction that, actually, there might well be something to see here. “It’s definitely a full reversal on what was all said beforehand,” observed Marjorie in a once-in-a-career alignment with fact, “and people are just not willing to accept it.”

We have to take our laughs where we can, meanwhile, so do please consider the cavalcade of podcasters and Maga influencers who got jobs like “director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation” and “deputy director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation” and are now discovering that life comes at you fast. FBI chief Kash Patel spent the election campaign pushing Epstein conspiracies, and is now believed to be hiding under his big important desk wetting his pants. “Listen,” his deputy, Dan Bongino, used to instruct his podcast listeners. “That Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal, please do not let that story go. Keep your eye on this.” Will do, Dan. Incidentally, a lot of people spent the weekend speculating feverishly that Bongino would sensationally quit his job – but in the end, he just came into work a bit late on Monday. What a tough guy. Make America Deep State Again!

Other developments? That are perhaps not unrelated? The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump had served as a contributor to some kind of cursed 50th birthday scrapbook for Epstein, compiled by Maxwell, for which he’d sent a “bawdy” letter. This missive was reportedly typed inside a drawing of a naked woman’s silhouette, in which the famous Trump signature served as a kind of scribble of pubic hair. So far, so FDR. Unfortunately, particularly in the circumstances, the letter itself is said to conclude: “Happy birthday – and may every day be another wonderful secret.”

Alas, the current president is not thrilled by this report, denying it completely, adding that he has never in his life “wrote a picture”. (It goes without saying that all Donald Trump statements, always, are very much [sic].) Much more promisingly, Trump is furious with the WSJ owner, Rupert Murdoch, and threatening to “sue his ass off”. Oh please don’t, Mr President! His ass is 94 years old and incredibly wrinkled. Also, half of Britain’s political class still lives up it. Then again, perhaps Trump v Murdoch is very much the desiccated-dick-waving contest the world … wants? Needs? Will have to endure? Unclear which of those applies at this stage, but let’s hold out for the possibility that both men are wholly – and indeed literally – consumed by it.

Angles-wise, however, there are already signs that the Wall Street Journal might just be the common enemy the Magas need as an off-ramp for their civil war, allowing people who are obsessed with paedophiles to find common cause both with people who don’t care about paedophiles, and also with people who may actually have been close personal friends with paedophiles. There’ll probably only be one casualty, and it’ll probably be Pam Bondi. Women are great at taking these falls. Furthermore, the whole conflagration would once more pit a billionaire president against one of his billionaire buddies – exactly the kind of better world his supporters voted for, and a true testament to how truly, truly deeply he values them.

Marina Hyde is a Guardian columnist
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2025 04:50 pm
Also, bahahahahahaha
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2025 07:07 pm
@hingehead,
You cannot escape a losing argument with a subject change. Donald Trump has been accused of being a "child molester" here in print. Please provide evidence that this is the truth. If you cannot provide any then you lose the argument.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2025 07:21 pm
@Brandon9000,
Edit [Moderator]: Personal attack removed

I wasn't buying into the 'argument' I was pointing out your hyprocrisy in demanding proof when it suits you. And then, seeking to further understand the depths of your hypocrisy I asked a genunie question. It has nothing to do with the argument and more to do with pathetic self-serving sophistry. You are worse than Finn d'Abuzz ever was. And he was not good.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2025 06:41 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Edit [Moderator]: Personal attack removed

I wasn't buying into the 'argument' I was pointing out your hyprocrisy in demanding proof when it suits you. And then, seeking to further understand the depths of your hypocrisy I asked a genunie question. It has nothing to do with the argument and more to do with pathetic self-serving sophistry. You are worse than Finn d'Abuzz ever was. And he was not good.


Your post is nothing but a childish taunt. When someone posts a claim in an argument, the standard thing for his opponent to do is to ask for evidence that the claim is true. That's how arguments work. The standard thing to do is not for me to run through multiple similar cases. When someone is accused of being a "child molester," me asking for evidence that he is without discussing Pizzagate or the Epstein files doesn't constitute hypocrisy.

I defy you to print in plain language one single belief I posted and then give an example of how I acted in violation of it.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2025 07:43 pm
@Brandon9000,
I wasn't your opponent you bell end.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2025 01:22 pm
@Brandon9000,
You've been given evidence, but nothing is good enough for you.

Trump could molest a kid on top of you, and you'd still say it's not proof of anything because you couldn't see what was going on.

You don't set the rules on who has and who hasn't won a debate, and your mogodon lickspittle opinion isn't worth ****.

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