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Listen to Al Franken being tortured at the behest of Ann Coulter

Go to the link below, scroll down about half way to

Katherine torturing Al: Now on line

http://www.airamericaradio.com/bin/blogExcerpts.cfm?blogId=1&prg=3

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Craven- Thank You for the information. I, of course, must defend my position.

As I said, I do my homework and I know that words have meanings.

quote from the article on CNN Money for June 2, 2004 concering Gas Prices and the Sales of SUV's.

quote:

"The large SUV models, not including the luxury brand saw about a 3.3 percent decline in May compared to the year earlier period, But one fewer sales date in the month meant that the daily sales rate used by the industry was actually up 0.4 percent for the segment"

"actually UP 0.4 percent for the segment"

Amazing?
Not down 10% or 15% or 20% due to the rise in gas prices?

"actually UP 0.4 percent for the segment"?

Who would have believed that the last full reporting month of May by the auto industry would have shown that the sales were "actually UP 0.4 percent for the segment"?

I would have thought that the bottom would have fallen out after I heard Kerry complain about how gas prices were putting an intolerable squeeze on the American family.

Apparently, the squeeze has not reached the buyers of SUV's.

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B Latham reports that Al Franken(stein)--his real name, was being tortured by Anne Coulter.

I beg to differ with him. I think that Al Franken(stein) is being tortured by the negative feedback he received from critics who were forced to listen to his absurdities.

Franken and Air America's ratings are in the toilet.

No one is listening.

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septembri wrote:

Craven- Thank You for the information. I, of course, must defend my position.

Well, if you must.' Laughing

D'artagnan's statements were accurate. I provided evidence for it.

Do you dispute this? If so, we can talk.

For example, I'll use the very article you refer to.

D'artagnan said Hummer sales in particular were affected. Here is a quote from the article you are referencing:

CNN, in the article you reference (http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/02/pf/autos/suv_sales/) wrote:

the Hummer 2, marketed by GM, saw sales off 31.5 percent, while the Ford Expedition saw sales off 19.9 percent on a daily sales rate basis, while the Toyota Sequoia saw sales fall 17.2 percent in the face of a new entry in the market from Japanese competitor Nissan.

septembri, words do indeed have meaning, but the secret is comprehension thereof.

D'artagnan made a claim present in the very article you are touting to refute him.

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According to news sources, Franken( stein) and Air America are in bad trouble( I wonder why? Is it because most listeners can't bear to hear the lies and distortions of the left wing?

quote- June 2,2004

"It's no secret and perhaps, no surprise that Air America has been a little light in the wallet lately. First, TWO OF THE STATIONS IN THE TOP THREE MARKETS, dropped Air America programming just weeks after the program's launch just weeks ago. Then, earlier this month, employee paychecks were delayed after a financial rejiggering and a wave of staff layoffs. While Air America has announced that 13 affiliates have signed on, some observers in the broadcasting business believe that New York is the only network they can look to for long term success."

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Foxfyre wrote:

Every member of the U.N., every European industrialized ally, and every member of Congress and the previous administration believed he had and was developing WMD

Demonstrably untrue, as already outlined here (second half of post).

Foxfyre wrote:

According to the polls, more Americans every week are regaining confidence that we are making inroads in the war against terrorism and that we will succeed leaving Iraq a free and independent nation friendly to the U.S. and an example to the rest of the Middle East.

With all respect, thats just plain bull. I mean, this is not something to "have different perspectives about" - its a simple fact-check thing. The polls have in fact registered a steady decrease of people believing "we are making inroads in the war against terrorism" -- let alone "that we will succeed leaving Iraq a free and independent nation friendly to the U.S. and an example to the rest of the Middle East."

Go to http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm to see all recent polls on Iraq and to http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm to see the ones on the war on terror. Look up the polls that ask equivalent questions and show numbers develop over time, and see which way they develop.

Here's a sample. On the question of whether "more Americans every week are regaining confidence that we are making inroads in the war against terrorism", there is this CBS/NYT question: "Do you think the policies of the Bush Administration have made the United States safer from terrorism, less safe from terrorism, or have the policies of the Bush Administration not affected the U.S.'s safety from terrorism?" In early March, 62% said safer. End of April, it was 49%.

There's also the CBS poll that asks, "What is your impression of how the war against terrorism is going for the United States right now: very well, somewhat well, somewhat badly, or very badly?" In September 2002, only 19% said somewhat or very badly. Late March this year, it was 34%.

Or hell, check Fox, because CBS and NYT are probably suspect. "As of right now, do you think the U.S. and its allies are winning the war against terrorism?" In November 2001, 70% said "Yes". In March this year, only 41% said so.

Same with the poll numbers on Iraq. Check the overview and note the results for the "how would you say things are going for the U.S. in Iraq"-style questions, the "Worth Going To War" / "Not Worth Going To War"-questions and the "has or has not contributed to the long-term security of the United States?"-questions.

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How about checking the stats from week to week, day to day nimh? Try the Rasmussin Reports as they run their polls daily. Over the last several weeks, the numbers are slowly coming up showing confidence in success is improving. (Of course those who want Bush to fail will hate to see that and will probably try to explain it away.)

As for who thought Saddam has WMD among the free world, in the UN, or in the Clinton and Bush adminisrations, that has been posted so many times on so many threads I won't bother to hunt any of them up as you apparently didn't believe any of them and wouldn't believe any additional information now.

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(Fox, dont worry about all the responses I'm posting to you today. Sheer coincidence - well, either that or you're just posting the most interesting stuff to respond to ;-))

Foxfyre wrote:

I still think a simple challenge could be interesting.
We each compile a list of all active posts over say the last 30 days. Separate them into two piles: one labeled negative/critical/defamatory/scurrilous or whatever and one labeled positive, forward looking, hopeful, complimentary, optimistic or whatever.

Which pile do you think would be written by mostly those on the left and which do you think would be written by mostly those on the right?

For the record, I have a very different perception on what the answer to your Q would be than you do. But it made me grin because once upon a time, I actually took up a very similar challenge by Scrat, who also submitted it as a "simple" enough one. And the experience was instructive ... instructive enough to never, ever wanna go there again! Razz

Check it out: Here's my initial answer to Scrat's challenge, which had been: "Care to do a comparison within the political boards as to how often conseravtive opinions are shared with factual citations from reputable sources as compared with how often liberals meet a similar standard?" In response, Scrat told me that I "have a tendency of claiming that simple tasks are difficult", and of course I couldnt let that stand, so ... here I went!

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ROFL Nimh, that is hilarious. First really good belly laugh I've had today. Thank you so much. I needed it.

Actually I think my challenge would be a lot easier though should probably have included a third pile for comments that didn't fit into either the negative or positive pile. I don't want to do the exercise though.

Wonder where Scrat has been lately? He and Tarantulas are MIA.

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Foxfyre wrote:

How about checking the stats from week to week, day to day nimh? Try the Rasmussin Reports as they run their polls daily. Over the last several weeks, the numbers are slowly coming up showing confidence in success is improving.

Like this one? :wink:

Rasmussen Reports: 47% Say Iraq Will Get Worse in Coming Months -- Just 3% Believe Iraq Will Become Peaceful and Free

Not that I would want you to "try to explain that away" :wink:, but I must say you did raise the bar pretty high, when you submitted that "more Americans every week are regaining confidence that [..] we will succeed leaving Iraq a free and independent nation friendly to the U.S. and an example to the rest of the Middle East" ...

Anyway. I understand that you do not have a problem with noting that Fox opinion polls have tracked a long-term trend of confidence decrease - what, with the number of people thinking the US is winning the war against terrorism slashed over time from 70% to 41%. You are merely saying that we should see that in the light of a more recent trend, like that signalled in last week's Rasmussen Report that noted that "48% of American voters now believe that the United States and its allies are winning the War on Terror. That's up slightly from 45% a week ago." So its down from 70% to 40%, say - but since its now back up a couple percentage points ...

Foxfyre wrote:

As for who thought Saddam has WMD among the free world, in the UN, or in the Clinton and Bush adminisrations, that has been posted so many times on so many threads I won't bother to hunt any of them up as you apparently didn't believe any of them and wouldn't believe any additional information now.

You're moving the target, Fox. (A tendency I've only just now noticed, in your conversation with Soz above - she refutes one of your submissions, you answer, well, but that doesnt mean that - and offer another submission.)

I never denied that there were lots of people, both in the Clinton and the Bush administrations, that did believe Saddam had WMD. Yes, theres countless posted quotes from Hillary, Daschle cs to go around to show it. Of course, some of 'em date back to the nineties, but yeah, even last year there were still enough American Democrats, and also enough Brits, Dutch and Italians, who believed so.

However, what you submitted was that

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Every member of the U.N., every European industrialized ally, and every member of Congress and the previous administration believed he had and was developing WMD

Now there's no two ways about that statement - its pretty clear-cut. And quite obviously wrong, as evidenced by the German Foreign Minister's comments I offered as example. You may not have wanted to accept their arguments at the time, which is your prerogative, but there were many UN members and European allies expressing serious doubts about whether we could really be sure that Saddam still had 'em - and thus, whether we had a legitimate casus belli.

That was what much of the whole argument against the war was about, and why many thought more inspections were needed first. If you act like those doubts were never there, then yeh, the whole inspections argument must have seemed pretty senseless.

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Quote:

Like this one?

Rasmussen Reports: 47% Say Iraq Will Get Worse in Coming Months -- Just 3% Believe Iraq Will Become Peaceful and Free

Hmm here's what I found on the website and the 47% and the 39% and the 41% are up significantly from where they were when the worst of the fighting in Fallujah was going on.

47% Believe Iraq Will Get Worse in Coming Months Just 39% Expect It to Become Peaceful and Free. 41% Say US safer than before 9/11

Did you intentionally change the 39% to a 3%?

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Foxfyre wrote:

Did you intentionally change the 39% to a 3%?

Nope - click the link and thats what you'll find in the headline ... I just copied and pasted.

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I think I have been damn consistent in my opinions on just about everything. When somebody misquotes me I do try to restate my position on the off chance that somebody will actually care enough to try to understand what I'm saying. I don't move targets.

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Fox, this is getting surreal. Click on nimh's link. There is a headline. It says, "47% Say Iraq Will Get Worse in Coming Months

Just 3% Believe Iraq Will Become Peaceful and Free"

I mean, that's just a plain copy-and-paste.

Are you suggesting that he, like, hacked the Rasmussen site and changed the numbers? Or made a new site to look like the Rasmussen site?

Here is the link again:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Perspectives%20on%20Iraq.htm

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Let's use today's numbers okay?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

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What are today's numbers? I clicked on what you provided, looked for something about Iraq being peaceful and free, and found the same thing we had been talking about.

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But yeah, I get it - typo. On Rasmussen's part, that is. 39% it is.

However,

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Forty-seven percent (47%) of America's voters expect the situation in Iraq to get worse during the coming months. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 28% expect things to get better.

Two weeks ago, both of those numbers were a bit higher as 50% said things would get worse and 30% better.

I.e., not just do twice as many people expect things to get worse than better, but the number of people who "expect things to get better" actually decreased by 2% over two weeks.

Same with the question we're talking about now:

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Ten days ago, 41% of Americans thought it was at least somewhat likely that Iraq would become peaceful and free. That has fallen to 39% today.

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Well I'm looking at it and it says 39% not 3% Maybe you need to refresh your browser

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The numbers fluctuate from week to week but I look at them almost every day and the positive numbers overall have been steadily coming up. For instance yesterday Bush was ahead of Kerry overall; today Kerry is ahead of Bush.

Who knows that the numbers will be in November. But I wasn't making them up Smile

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