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This May Be Satire, But It's Deadly Serious to Me!

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2004 12:31 pm
But I hold nothing against you thomas. Nor against fishin, nor finn d'abuzz, nor timber, nor craven, to name a few whom I've disagreed with on many occasions.

Every now and again, these meta-discussions arise in Politics... how best to go about debate. That's unavoidable, and positive. We each wish, I'm certain, to find effective ways to exchange ideas. Home from college one summer and driving taxi, I picked up the most disagreeable overt racist I've had the displeasure of meeting. I found no way to effectively debate the fellow, and dropped him on a country road, expecting he could manage the two mile walk that remained before he reached his destination. If I bump into him next week, he'll get no apology. On another thread this very moment, two chaps are yet insisting that the 9-11 commission is either 1) not really bi-partisan at all or 2) foolishly ignored evidence to be found on numerous websites regarding the connections between Usama and Sadaam. Beyond any shadow of doubt, I know that even if Don Rumsfeld were to admit that he had ordered or knowingly facilitated torture of Arab prisoners, some folks here would perceive and argue the admission as evidence of nobility. If a Reconstructionist christian (one who holds that the constitution is trumped by biblical law [of course, they don't really disagree anyway] and that christian theocracy is the only really legitimate form of governance for America) were appointed Attorney General, there are some here who would sigh with relief and hopefulness.

But I think what you are suggesting is that a style of response such as I committed above works at odds to the community's interests in that it degrades the overall tenor of political discourse here. In this, I think you are probably correct.

That is entirely enough said by me on all this stuff.

For those curious to learn more about Leo Strauss... http://www.logosjournal.com/xenos.htm
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2004 01:26 pm
and another pesky multi-signatory letter from ordinary chaps hanging about the water cooler...
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The professors presented a letter signed by more than 400 legal scholars urging members of the House and Senate to consider impeaching the president and any high level administration officials who approved the Iraqi prisoner abuses.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kennedy-Impeachment.html
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2004 10:18 pm
I wonder if a letter to Clinton, urging military action against Saddam, signed by 27 Senators including Kerry, Levin and Daschle meets your criteria.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2004 06:17 am
sofia

I'll respond to that question, then leave further discussion to the rest of you.

It would not be comparable. The example you propose would have many precedent examples where some group of congressmen or senators (or others) issue a public letter to a president advising some policy direction.

Your example would be closer if all of the signatories were not elected representatives with wide ranging duties, experience and expertise, but rather were specialists in the matter regarding which they forward advice. But that is the least relevant difference.

The more important difference is time and evidence. Consider a lab hypothesis. You have a theory regarding what will happen if you mix sodium hydroxide and vinegar, which for the sake of argument we'll say hasn't been attempted before. You'll have some related or peripheral information and it is from this you base your hypothesis and project the consequences. A letter from congressmen saying the president ought to do x is something like that.

In contrast, once the experiment has been carried out, you have the advantageous perspective of having seen the hypothesis tested, and you have the evidence to hand of what the results were.
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