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Obama's executive actions on immigration

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2015 12:59 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
He bends over backwards to get a deal with Iran, but couldn't wait a few months to work with a new Congress.


That makes perfect sense. The leadership in Iran is far more reasonable than the Republicans in Congress.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2015 01:03 pm
@oralloy,
So at this point we have mythical senators and a mythhical plan for a mythicalroposa
. If the lmythical republicans actally existed they could easily have enlisted sufficient democrats to get somethimg on obama's dek yeears before the gerrymandered gop took control of congress. Theyy could havebroughht up the bipartisan senate bill in the house. Remember you history. Repubs weree alreasdy blocking reform inn obama's first tem years before he tookthe ppresidential actions,. The gop has gone against the wishe of the amerticn people for tyearrs
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2015 01:25 pm
@maxdancona,
Keep telling yourself that. People who regularly chat "death to America" would be more reasonable than people who were elected by American citizens.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 12 Nov, 2015 01:38 pm
@oralloy,
If they attempted to introduce legislation why did it fail to be introduced? What blocked them from introducing it? It wasn't an attempt if there was no legislation and it wasn't submitted.

Considering possibly writing legislation is not an attempt to submit legislation.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 11:24 am
Chief Justice Roberts is writing the majority opinion in the DACA case.

I wonder if the Dreamers will ever realize how badly Mr. Obama betrayed them.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 11:33 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
So at this point we have mythical senators and a mythical plan for a mythical proposal.

No myth. Moderate Republican senators were going to try to pass bipartisan immigration reform in 2015. Barack Obama undermined their effort to do so.


MontereyJack wrote:
Remember you history. Repubs were already blocking reform inn obama's first term years before he took the presidential actions.

Republicans did not regain control over the Senate until 2015.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 11:34 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
If they attempted to introduce legislation why did it fail to be introduced?

Because Barack Obama undermined them by issuing a partisan executive order.


parados wrote:
What blocked them from introducing it?

Being undermined by Barack Obama's partisan executive order blocked them from introducing it.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 11:34 am
@oralloy,
funny. I remember TRUMP abolishing a popular program, not Obama. what alternative reality are you living in today.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 11:36 am
@MontereyJack,
Mr. Trump had nothing to do with Barack Obama's decision to undermine bipartisan immigration reform legislation.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 02:33 pm
@MontereyJack,
DACA, not immigrationth is what that post refers to. However you appear to be claimning that Obama blocked reform of immigration law by reforming immigration law which claim doesn't make much sense.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 03:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
Mr. Obama didn't reform immigration law. He merely made an executive order.

That executive order prevented immigration law from being reformed.

That executive order is likely to be abolished soon, leaving Dreamers with no protection at all. Once Mr. Trump is reelected, the Dreamers are going to be in trouble.

That's what people get for putting their faith in the left I guess.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 04:02 pm
@oralloy,
It is funny to me that Oralloy's view of Trump as a cynical heartless asshole is the same as mine.

It is one thing to leave the Dreamers with "no protection at all". It is another thing to cynically gloat about it as a political victory.




oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Apr, 2020 06:53 pm
@maxdancona,
I'm not sure that "gloating" or "victory" are the right descriptions of my mindset.

It's more a case of me saying "I told you so."


You were pretty happy when Obama undermined the possibility of bipartisan immigration reform in 2015.

You were pretty happy when Pelosi refused to make a deal with Trump in 2019 to trade immigration reform for a harmless border wall.

You are the one who wanted the nation to reach this point. Now, here we are.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 12:11 am
@oralloy,
as usual, just your own imagination.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 12:40 am
@oralloy,
I remember around 2015 a repub state legislator in CA represented a farm districh which wanted the Mexican workers who'd worked there for decades, were their friends, neighbors, and customers, legaliized.He got nowhere with the gop leadership. Now at least halfthe farm labor force and food processing labor force are immigrants, legal or undocumented, and they have been declared essential workers during the epidemic. How ironic, kick them out and there'll be no food on the table.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 12:59 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Now at least halfthe farm labor force and food processing labor force are immigrants, legal or undocumented, and they have been declared essential workers during the epidemic. How ironic, kick them out and there'll be no food on the table.


Canada has put in quite a few exemptions to travel restrictions to make sure the farm workers come in. In at least one case, a group of beekeepers in Alberta put together the funds to fly in their workers from Nicaraugua (I think). There were extra seats on the flight so they offered them to the federal government to bring home Canajuns who'd been stranded in Costa Rica because of flight cancellations. Other groups of farmers closer to us are also making arrangements to fly in their workers and get their self-quarantining done. The apiary staff had to come in first so the propagators can do their job.

this is about another batch coming in to Manitoba

https://discoverwestman.com/ag-news/beekeepers-arrange-flight-for-foreign-workers

and a different Alberta group

https://www.stalberttoday.ca/local-news/sturgeon-county-farmers-adapt-to-the-coronavirus-2249072
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 05:43 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
as usual, just your own imagination.

You cannot provide any examples of anything imaginary in any of my posts.

There was certainly nothing imaginary about how happy progressives were when Obama implemented his executive order and undermined the possibility of bipartisan immigration reform legislation.

Neither was there anything imaginary about how happy progressives were when Pelosi didn't make a deal with Trump to fund his border wall in exchange for immigration reform legislation.

The Dreamers are a perfect example of why no one should ever put their trust in progressives.

The gun rights movement gets a lot of benefit from allying with other conservatives. But progressives will stab you in the back every time.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 07:54 am
@oralloy,
again total,ly your imagination about what progressives were thinking and why those actions were taken. Bogus deal on the walkl. Trump tried to abolish the very popular DACA and then tried to use it as a bargaining chip to get his wall. In other words Pelosi had to surrender just to get back to the status quo ante. Trump's wall is not only stupid and ineffective but deeply unpopular, and he tried to bring the entire country to a halt to get it. Which is just one of the many reasons he must be voted out for the good of the country in November. Your arguments reside only in your imagination.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 08:00 am
@oralloy,
Starting with Obamacare, Repub leadership made it very clear they were not going to support anything Obama proposed. There was a bipartisan group of senators trying kto work out a joint agreement on healthcare. GOP leaders threatened political suicide for the GOP senators in it if they didn't pull out and stonewall. They did. There was never any spirit of compromise from the gop in eight years.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2020 09:18 am
@MontereyJack,
Republican leaders reached a wide-ranging budget deal with Obama in 2011. Then Obama backed out of the deal because progressive extremists demanded that he not compromise.

The main reason why nothing was achieved in Obama's second term was because he spent the entire first hundred days of his second term trying to outlaw pistol grips on semi-auto rifles. Once the NRA was done defeating him, he had no political capital left to achieve anything else.

Moderate Republican senators were going to try to pass bipartisan immigration reform in 2015. Obama undermined them before they could even get started.

Obama's failures are entirely due to Obama.
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