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Obama's executive actions on immigration

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 06:01 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

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How is it racist to want people who entered the country illegally, deported back to their own countries? I'd love to hear your tortured logic on that.


Brandon. Please explain to me why you think racists wouldn't want people deported?
The tortured logic is yours.

Racists might well want people deported. Racists might well want to go to the movies on Saturday or take a nap for 30 minutes, but none of these things makes someone a racist. I didn't ask if a racist could want this. I asked how wanting this makes one a racist. So, once again, I ask you how wanting people in the country illegally to be deported makes someone a racist.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 06:12 pm
@Brandon9000,
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Racists, might well want people deported. Racists might well want to go to the movies on Saturday or take a nap for 30 minutes, but none of these things makes someone a racist. I didn't ask if a racist could want this. I asked how wanting this makes one a racist. So, once again, I ask you how wanting people in the country illegally to be deported makes someone a racist.


Right, because the people wanting in are not white you are a racist.

Quote:
rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun
1.
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
adjective
noun: racist; plural noun: racists; adjective: racist
1.
having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.


because a victim group of one race says that you are because they dont get what they want, free and total access into a country not their own. They want somebody elses, because somebody else has done a better job of building a nation.

That you know that we already dont have anywhere near enough jobs, if the reason you dont want these brown people to come is not because their brown but because they are mostly without education or skills, because we dont need any more supply to weaken the job market from the employees side of the equation, if you dont want them here because they are illiterate and dont have much interest in being literate, if you dont want them here because you want a salad bowl society but all to often these poor mexicans and asians insist upon cocooning themselves in ghettos of there own kind thus depriving you of your salad bowl......does not matter.

A victim group did not get what they want so they are screaming "ISM!"
THAT is what this is about.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 06:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That you know that we already dont have anywhere near enough jobs, if the reason you dont want these brown people to come is not because their brown but because they are mostly without education or skills, because we dont need any more supply to weaken the job market from the employees side of the equation, if you dont want them here because they are illiterate and dont have much interest in being literate, if you dont want them here because you want a salad bowl society but all to often these poor mexicans and asians insist upon cocooning themselves in ghettos of there own kind thus depriving you of your salad bowl......does not matter.


Amen Hawkeye! You make my point better than I ever could.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 06:53 pm
@maxdancona,
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Amen Hawkeye! You make my point better than I ever could.


All roads lead to " the ends justify the means" and " those who act like victims should get what ever they want". THis country is being run by 9 year olds.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 07:16 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
You have a point there. President Romney's opposition to immigration reform, particularly his comment about "self-deportation", is one of the reasons he won the election. His opponent, Obama, promised he would legalize immigrants. That's why he was a one term president.

Your first error is in assuming that immigration positions caused the entire result of the 2012 elections.

Your second error is in assuming that Republicans can't oppose Mr. Obama's executive order and support the cause of immigration reform.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2014 10:33 pm
@oralloy,
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What is it about you extremists that you always falsely accuse anyone who disagrees with your extremism of racism?


Edgar has left the building. Excellent question.http://www.alien-earth.org/images/smileys/cheer.gif
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 05:31 pm

I just heard on the news that a federal judge has overruled Mr. Obama's executive order.

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/17/386876196/judge-blocks-obamas-executive-order-on-immigration

The White House is appealing of course, so this isn't anything final.


For the record, my views are as before. I think the executive order was ill advised because it stomped all over the moderates who were about to try to pass reform legislation, but I don't have a good sense either way on the question of whether it is or isn't Constitutional.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:08 pm
@oralloy,
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I think the executive order was ill advised because it stomped all over the moderates who were about to try to pass reform legislation, but I don't have a good sense either way on the question of whether it is or isn't Constitutional.
wasnt just last week that Obama was telling folks that future presidents would have no choice but to continue to honor the choices that Obama made on who to deport and who to not deport? Delusions of grandeur much? He cant even get the courts to sign off on starting this thing.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
Obama said the exact opposite. He said that the next president can undo the executive order if he or she wants. That is one of the reasons that executive orders are considered a reasonably measured power, they are checked by people who have been elected.

It is going to be fun to see the GOP candidates who need to win the primary, but can't win if they lose over 70% of the Hispanic vote again.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:47 pm
@maxdancona,
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"All the Dreamers that are out there and all those who qualified for my executive action moving forward, I want you to know I am confident in my ability to implement this program over the next two years," Obama said after meeting with the youths. "And I am confident that the next president and the next Congress and the American people will ultimately recognize why this is the right thing to do."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/obama-promises-dreamers-hell-veto-bills-deport-them-others-n300276

I saw in reports that what he actually told advocates is that with the constituency established future presidents will have to continue his policy, because to do otherwise will be too politically costly. This has to do with managing expectations, giving these illegals the expectation that they will not be held to account so that anyone who does hold them to account will need to pay for doing so.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 06:56 pm
@maxdancona,
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but can't win if they lose over 70% of the Hispanic vote again.

sure they can, because hispanics will only make up a 12.5% of the vote, and the R;s dont expect to get them anyways. A better target to get R's over he top are white women, if they can do a little better with them the R's are a lock.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2015 07:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
Read it again Hawkeye. Clearly the next President and Congress have the right to make their own decisions about immigration. Obama doesn't say anything to dispute that.

Obama is saying that he believes that they will choose to continue his path because he believes it "is the right thing to do".

Even if your reports are correct, then so what? We live in a democracy where politicians are pressured to do what the electorate ultimately wants. The fact is that there is a large number of American voters who don't want to see a mass deportation (or even a mass-self-deportation).

Any presidential candidate who thinks there is political support to run against immigration reform has every right to try, just like Romney did. Personally I am looking forward to it.

Immigration reform along the lines of what Obama wants is a political winner. What is the problem with that?


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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 12:09 pm
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WASHINGTON -- The House will finally vote on a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security without immigration measures, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told his conference at a meeting on Tuesday.

The vote will come after the House narrowly averted a shutdown last Friday when the House GOP rejected a "clean" DHS funding bill passed in the Senate, and then 52 conservative Republican members joined Democrats to block even a three-week continuing resolution. The House passed a one-week funding bill in hopes that Senate Democrats would allow a conference between the two chambers to go forward, but that was rejected on Monday.

Senate Democrats have already shown that they will not vote for a funding bill that passed the House in January. That bill would tie funding to ending President Barack Obama's immigration actions, which could allow as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants to temporarily stay in the country and work.

Now, the House is conceding defeat on getting immigration measures into the DHS bill. The vote could come as soon as Tuesday.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 01:26 pm
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2015 03:13 pm
I am sure enjoying your pain.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 6 Mar, 2015 09:44 pm
There is no original thought needed.

The majority of Americans want immigration reform that includes a pathway to citizenship. Obama is not only doing the right thing for America, he is also giving the political right an ass-whipping and tying the Republican party in knots.

The Republicans are on the losing side politically of another topic. How they play this in the primary elections, where they are caught between reality and their rabid base, is going to be awfully fun to watch.

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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 6 Mar, 2015 09:55 pm
@maxdancona,
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losing side politically of another topic.


America is on the losing side. Loser.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 7 Mar, 2015 07:58 am
@coldjoint,
I am sorry you think Americans are losers.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 7 Mar, 2015 12:30 pm
@maxdancona,
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I am sorry you think Americans are losers.


I'm sorry we keep electing them.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 7 Mar, 2015 12:39 pm
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