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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Fri 6 Feb, 2015 01:54 pm
@ehBeth,
More and more if our sexual practices are classified thys by the state all the time. The criminal code never stops growing.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 6 Feb, 2015 02:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Ii is the women's fault

they lose my interest

I dont care

They owed us

they let us down

I am currently at 10%

Even if I was at 100% I would still take in his art
stay away from him

leave him alone



Wait, Bill is that you?
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Thu 12 Feb, 2015 02:26 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Bob Hewitt: Former tennis champion allegedly told victim 'rape is enjoyable', court hears

Updated about 8 hours agoThu 12 Feb 2015, 10:02pm


Hewitt was born in Dubbo, Australia but has spent most of his time in South Africa.
Photo: Hewitt was born in Dubbo, Australia but has spent most of his time in South Africa. (ABC News: Justin Huntsdale, file photo)

Related Story: Tennis champion Bob Hewitt to face rape charges

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-12/ex-tennis-champ-bob-hewi-allegedly-told-victim-rape-is-enjoyable/6089908


Rolf Harris, Cosby, Saville, Hewitt...
the list just keeps going on

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hawkeye10
 
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Thu 12 Feb, 2015 09:31 pm
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At a press conference organized by attorney Gloria Allred, two former models, Linda Brown and Lise-Lotte Lublin, made statements alleging how Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted them in 1969 and 1989, respectively. Both women spoke while visibly weeping and declined to answer further questions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/gloria-allred-linda-brown-lise-lotte-lublin-bill-cosby_n_6672366.html

Both tears and no ability to probe the accusations?? I am SHOCKED!

How often do you cry about something that happened to you 50 years ago?

The floor show continues.
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firefly
 
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Thu 12 Feb, 2015 09:33 pm
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Two more women accuse Bill Cosby of drugging them
By Alex Dobuzinskis
2/12/15

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Two women accused Bill Cosby on Thursday of drugging them decades ago when they met him as young models, and one said he sexually assaulted her, as more of his performances were shelved amid an outcry from activists over similar allegations...
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/two-more-women-accuse-bill-cosby-drugging-them-004559876.html



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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 22 Jun, 2015 11:43 pm
I am taking notice of Holly Madison going after Hef big time, which is odd because he made her, he is the main reason she has such a fab life. According to her Hef has long used pills to loosen women up for sex though she only knows about him doing it consensually, and to her Hef is super controlling of women in his personal life.

The fact that she paints Hef as so much like Bill Cosby is portrayed is interesting. The book was allegedly finished before the Cosby Scandal broke. Hef denies that her book represents reality.

hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 12:07 am
@hawkeye10,
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DETAILS: In the book you mention that Hef offers you Quaaludes the first time you meet him. Was that a regular occurrence on nights out?
Holly Madison: As far as drug use in the mansion—as far as the guests went, I don't really know. I know a lot of the girls who were living up there in the early days were doing cocaine and different things. But Hef offered me Quaaludes the first night out and I saw him offer them to girls pretty much every night we went out to clubs for years. Eventually Quaaludes got even harder to get and he lost his connection somehow so he stopped doing it after three or four years. But for years I saw him offer them and girls would accept them every night we went out.

http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/2015/06/playmate-holly-madison-down-the-rabbit-hole-interview.html

FOUND SOUL
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2015 02:59 am
@hawkeye10,
I read this.

In my honest opinion you are trying to say that it was the "norm" and the girls took it. So it's their fault.

You "could" look at it as Hefner started it and Cosby did it without them knowing having watched it all occur with the consensual ladies.

And then I would agree with you.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 10:10 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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In my honest opinion you are trying to say that it was the "norm" and the girls took it. So it's their fault.


what I am saying is that I cant figure out Madisons motivations, and it may be that her game is to sell books and that the truth is not relevant to that, but we do know that Hef and Cosby were close for a long time and it may be that they are two peas in a pod.....that both like their women drugged and both get their kicks by manipulating women sexually if what women are telling us is true.

Another thing: when Hef got Madison she was going no where, was flat broke and desperate. We see that the women who alleged that Cosby drugged them were mostly women who were desperate for success in show business. People are often advised to seek mates who want them more than we want them, because in that lack of balance is power for us....it might be that both hef and Cosby were actively trolling for victims (though in Hefs case not exactly so far as we know since no one has alleged lack of consent), were keeping an eye open for hungry women who might be swayed to provide what was wanted.


hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 23 Jun, 2015 10:33 am
@hawkeye10,
In Madison case I a skeptical of her assertions, because she apparently again is in the need of money and would rather have babies than work...."I am a victim" is a classic sales pitch in America, so this might be all about marketing and not about truth as Hef says, and also this is what is claimed by some people in Vegas that Madison is suing. The tag "opportunist" looks good on Madison.


I have not made up my mind about all of this, but Madisons assertions are interesting and I am still listening.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 04:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
What about the further women? And, not yet to be women? What about a guy drugging two 15 year olds?



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11. Judy Huth
Year Of Alleged Incident: 1974

Huth filed a lawsuit against Cosby on Dec. 2, in which she claims that she first met Cosby back in 1974, when she was 15 and she - along with an unnamed 16-year-old female friend - wandered onto a movie set where Cosby was working. According to the lawsuit, Cosby allegedly befriended Huth and her friend, and invited them over to his home where he served them alcohol.

Huth's lawsuit goes on to claim that Cosby knew how old she was, and that he took her to a party at the Playboy Mansion where he allegedly told her to tell anyone who asked that she was 19. While at the party, Huth alleges in court documents that, when she emerged from using the restroom in one of the mansion's many rooms, Cosby was sitting on a bed waiting for her, and then allegedly sexually assaulted her by taking her hand and making her perform a sex act on him.


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22. Renita Chaney Hill
Years of Alleged Incident: 1982-1986

Renita Chaney Hill claims that she began a relationship with Cosby in 1982 when she was only 15 years old. According to Hill, Cosby allegedly served her drinks and when she woke up she would find herself in bed. Hill says that she doesn't know if Cosby raped her because she was unconscious after drinking cocktails he allegedly served her.

Allegedly, Hill continued to see Cosby until she was 19 before breaking it off.



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28. Lisa Jones
Year Of Alleged Incident: 1986

Jones claims that she first met Cosby in 1986, when she was 17 and working as a model in Canada. She alleges that Cosby contacted her modeling agency to invite her and her mother to meet him at a stand-up performance in Vancouver. According to Jones, Cosby acted like a father figure to gain her trust.

Jones claims that the comedian later invited her to fly out to New York to audition for a role on The Cosby Show, but when she landed she was driven to Cosby's home, where he allegedly gave her alcohol. Jones claims Cosby was "very derogatory about how women were going to be successful in the industry and how [the way] women had gotten successful was by the casting couch."



We see that the women who alleged that Cosby drugged them were mostly women who were desperate for success in show business


Who is we? I'll link you again hawkeye. He stalked two women that he decided looked mighty fine, he took to waitresses, script writers, any woman who was trying to further her life and dreams and then threatened them with the ending of that dream should they dare to say anything or not do what he demanded. He took vulnerable 15 year olds allegedly showing them the adult world then drugged them and had sex with them. And, yes, he also targeted aspiring models/actresses offering to support them, help them with their career.

What is your point? That a girl can not have a dream of becoming someone in life in the music/film industry without having to land herself on the couch un-voluntarily ? And a man can have the same dream and not have to worry about a thing huh.

I actually say this with reality. I did not become a model or singer despite the years of training as a teenager and having a voice. For the exact same reason above, "sure, but to succeed you need to get on that couch" , "yeah, na, I'll start with waitressing and become a Manager instead and sing at the friggen restaurants" which I did.

We already know that there would be 1, 2, 3, or more that will ride on this to make money. But 15. 17.. 15.. Hey, let me help you get where you want to go in life, drugged bye... Sorry not interested in the ones that are after money, rather the ones that were lured through false, manipulative, deliberate ways for self sexual gain.



hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 04:16 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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but to succeed you need to get on that couch"

sure, and back post sexual revolution youth sexuality was encouraged as a form of freedom of expression, as choosing to love. I cant get into all of this hyperventilation in 2015 about guys back in the seventies having sex with 15 year olds. Hell, I cant get into it now either even though it is now generally illegal.

I notice with interest that even today their is a genres of porn called casting couch, which makes me wonder if people generally are not as appalled by the practice as I hear.

I dont really have a problem with "if you want me to help you then you need to put out". People are free to say no, are free to try some other way, or to do something else. And if Madison thinks telling a story about Hef politely offering the women around him ludes is going to make me think that she was a victim she is not correct.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 04:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I dont really have a problem with "if you want me to help you then you need to put out". People are free to say no, are free to try some other way, or to do something else.


Really? There has to be self gain in order to help someone? Wink

Ok.

Here comes that word again "Fear" these women were put into a situation without their prior knowledge, on the spot situation, mostly drugged situations, there was no opportunity to say no in most instances, yet some did and yelled it and phoned someone and were helped out of that situation.

Why should they "have" to do something else because "you" as one would state put out or I won't help you, if you don't put out you are not going to become an Actress?

That reeks, we are nothing, non worthy, just there for men's pleasure and can never succeed in life unless we give in to that.

Crap.
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 04:33 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Really? There has to be self gain in order to help someone?


no, we are always free to set the terms and conditions of our relationships, working and otherwise.

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Here comes that word again "Fear" these women were put into a situation without their prior knowledge, on the spot situation, mostly drugged situations, there was no opportunity to say no in most instances, yet some did and yelled it and phoned someone and were helped out of that situation.


Maybe maybe not. How many women put themselves on the casting couch by choice and then after the fact tell stories about themselves being manipulated and abused? IDK, but given how frequently humans lie I bet it happens a fair amount at least.

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That reeks, we are nothing, non worthy, just there for men's pleasure and can never succeed in life unless we give in to that.
win/win is always good, you are just pissy about what some men want.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 05:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
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"if you want me to help you then you need to put out".


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win/win is always good, you are just pissy about what some men want.
Replaces with "need"............"take"

hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 05:14 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Ya, women are helpless....right?
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 05:32 pm
he's fighting the fight but it's not going too well lately

http://time.com/3902348/bill-cosby-appeal-dismiss-sexual-assault/

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Bill Cosby’s legal troubles continued on Wednesday, when the California Court of Appeal rejected Cosby’s petition to have a lawsuit filed against him dismissed.


he's certainly trying an interesting defense in another case

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/bill-cosby-smear-jobs-self-defense-lawyers-article-1.2267618

Quote:
Embattled comic Bill Cosby was acting in “self-defense” when his representatives branded three women as liars for accusing him of sexual assault, his lawyers argued Monday.

Tamara Green, Therese Serignese and Linda Traitz have filed a defamation lawsuit in Massachusetts for unspecified damages against Cosby, claiming their reputations were tarnished by the smear jobs.

Lawyers for the comedian argued the federal judge should throw the suit out, because the remarks were personal opinions protected by the Constitution.



his lawyers are making some good ka-ching ka-ching these days
hawkeye10
 
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Tue 23 Jun, 2015 05:58 pm
@ehBeth,
He has a good point, if we get to the point where the accused can not claim in public that the charges against them are false then we are in deep ****. If there is justice then he has to win this point.
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ehBeth
 
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Mon 6 Jul, 2015 11:11 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-cosby-admits-giving-quaaludes-woman-seeking-drug/story?id=32261612

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-cosby-said-got-drugs-women-sex-212247466.html
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 6 Jul, 2015 11:19 pm
@ehBeth,
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/24900000/Sex-drugs-Rock-n-Roll-rock-n-roll-24916455-565-565.jpg
Cosby is of the 60's counter culture. That he likes to combine sex and drugs should have been almost assumed. I dont think that cosby handed women ludes tells us anything interesting at all. But what were the consent parameters? We dont know that any better now than we did a week ago.
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