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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 03:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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In the cases were Cosby used misplaced trust in him to get women to take date-rape drugs (a term that did not exist then) he was predatory and of course wrong, but every woman who swallowed pills not asking what they were was stupid, and we need to remember that.


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When did any of those numbers (as a woman) suggest that they were women? When he was 26
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Why wouldn't a "child" trust a "man" who claims he wants to help them in life and no doubt had a persona that was "so" close to Huxable given that Cosby created Cliff. What a figure he was remember?
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 03:06 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Why wouldn't a "child" trust a "man" who claims he wants to help them in life and no doubt had a persona that was "so" close to Huxable given that Cosby created Cliff. What a figure he was remember

I am appalled that you are willing to give these women/girls a free pass for gross stupidity. And I dont call a 17 year old a child, maybe 15 I would, and for sure 13 in the polanski event.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 03:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye.

Your stance, is that Cosby had the right to give the pills to 17 and 19 year olds who were just finding their feet in life and who trusted him because he was 26, older and was becoming someone.. So they were stupid to trust someone who told them he was there to mentor them, help them in life..

Stupid, stupid girls. It's your fault it happened. Stupid, stupid girls.

The exact expectation of what I would expect you to state and other men who used and abused women in their lives and took from them, because they were stupid.

Forget the fact that he took.. Let's over look that shall we? After all the girls were stupid.

Vulnerable? Naïve? Trusting? Most girls trusted their Dads.

Yep it's the girls fault, off course. That's why rape victims hide, because men like you blame them, they feel guilty, dirty, cheap, nothing, because men like you take them.

It's their fault. " I always believed it was my fault, he said so"....

When a man decides to be one and protects innocence, then he is a real man.

Anything less is a waste of space, it's him that should feel guilty, dirty, a bastard taking from kids that are 10 years younger than him.. What a man hey ...
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 03:27 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Your stance, is that Cosby had the right to give the pills to 17 and 19 year olds who were just finding their feet in life

Dont misrepresent my opinion. My opinion is that this was wrong, that the law was not at the time going to do anything about it, that the collective was not going to care much, that the females were stupid, that we feel much differently about the accusations in 2014 then we would have then, and that Cosby needs to be judged by the standards of the time.

I say that if the women are right then cosby was a very bad guy, because he was predatory, because he gratuitously harmed women to get his rocks off, because he used his wealth and power to carry out bad acts and to cover up those bad acts.

There is no contradiction here...by 2014 standards cosby is a very bad guy, by the standards of the time of the wrong doing Cosby would have only gotten a wrist slap, justice demands that he only get a wrist slap, if anything since trying to go back and address long historical wrongs is fraught with opportunities for injustice.


This guy will be dead soon, his bad acts seem to be all or almost all deep in history, he was almost certainly almost done in the public eye so we should probably condemn his acts, warn others not to do what he did, enjoy the art the Cosby left us and move on to more worthwhile endeavours.

If anyone comes up with proof that Cosby did what is claimed, or worse accusations are made, I reserve the right to change my opinion.
ossobuco
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:02 pm
@glitterbag,
Made me laugh..

bad girl. You, I mean. Very Happy

(I've been rereading.)
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:06 pm
HEF:

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Bill Cosby has been a good friend for many years and the mere thought of these allegations is truly saddening. I would never tolerate this kind of behavior, regardless of who was involved.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/12/06/hef-on-cos-mere-thought-these-allegations-is-truly-saddening/

Chalk this up as yet another person who knows Cosby very well having had never seen indications that Cosby acted as these women say he did. That comes with some grain of salt because people often have a dark side that they keep hidden well, but we have yet to see a single person close to cosby say that the allegations ring true to them, and that matters. This plus still no smoking gun changes my opinion to 75/25 that Cosby is a very bad guy, down from 90/10.
firefly
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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This guy will be dead soon, his bad acts seem to be all or almost all deep in history...

The 2005 civil suit is not "deep in history".

The only value in discussing any of this is that it helps people understand why the acquaintance rapes of college women, who are incapacitated by alcohol, are just as heinous as what Cosby was doing, and they are most often committed by individuals who are just as predatory as he is. It reinforces why colleges must get serious in how they deal with such predators, and why they must be stopped. Cosby's just part of the national discussion of rape that's going on now.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:24 pm
@firefly,
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The 2005 civil suit is not "deep in history".


There is one alleged event in the last 25 years, the claims about Cosby are substantially deep into history.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
Seriously? You believe that Hef didn't know? I mean he introduced the date drug to Cosby... I wonder "who" told her not to report it, due to their darling friendship.

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Former Playboy Club employee P.J. Masten told the Associated Press and CNN that she woke up naked and bruised in a bed with Cosby in Chicago in 1979 after he gave her an alcoholic drink. Masten said she believes she was raped and was told not to report the assault because of the close friendship between Hefner and Cosby.

She ended her silence this week after hearing Huth's story from the Playboy Mansion.

"I just want him exposed for the serial druggie rapist that he is," Masten said. "He's got to be stopped. I don't care if he's 77 years old. He's got to be stopped
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:26 pm
@firefly,
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s. It reinforces why colleges must get serious in how they deal with such predators, and why they must be stopped.


How one rich and powerful man acted 25-40 years ago has no relevance to the question of how young men act on campus now. That fact that you would float such a ridiculous rationalization for the current effort to bash men at University goes to show how groundless the attempt is.
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:28 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Masten said she believes she was raped and was told not to report the assault because of the close friendship between Hefner and Cosby.

Give me the name of the person, and if that person is still alive we shall get that side of the story, then we will be able to make some evaluation. Till then......
firefly
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
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How one rich and powerful man acted 25-40 years ago has no relevance to the question of how young men act on campus now. That fact that you would float such a ridiculous rationalization for the current effort to bash men at University goes to show how groundless the attempt is.

It has every relevance to the rapes of incapacitated women on campuses now. It's the same crime, it's just as real a rape as those Cosby committed with his drugging/alcohol tactics.

And, what's going on now on campuses, is not an "effort to bash men" it's an effort to deter and stop such rapes of incapacitated individuals--it targets rapists.
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Germlat
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Masten said she believes she was raped and was told not to report the assault because of the close friendship between Hefner and Cosby.

Give me the name of the person, and if that person is still alive we shall get that side of the story, then we will be able to make some evaluation. Till then......

I understood all I needed when you're ok with a grown man drugging and raping a 13-year-old anally....that's all I need to know about you. You're warped, insensitive, cold and sick.....putting you ignore now. You're not the person I care to know. Not that you care...I bet your circle is narrow.
firefly
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:11 pm
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Widening Spotlight on Assault of Women
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER
DEC. 4, 2014

WASHINGTON — There is little to intersect the lives of a college freshman, a 59-year-old former model and a Marine Corps veteran of the Iraq war. Their targets — a prestigious state university, a long-beloved entertainer and the United States military — do not have much in common, either.

But in just the last week, the governing board of the University of Virginia has scrambled to answer allegations that it has mishandled sexual assault claims by women after Rolling Stone magazine published an account of a freshman who says she was raped at a fraternity party, and more than a dozen women, long in the shadows, have come forward with allegations that they were raped by the comedian and actor Bill Cosby. A new military study released Wednesday night demonstrated that reports of rapes and sexual assaults had increased 8 percent, and Congress reopened the debate over how to best address that problem — one that potentially threatens the life of a major defense bill and perhaps the confirmation of a new defense secretary.

While protests of the so-called rape culture on college campuses have surfaced before — Take Back the Night marches are decades old — the sudden convergence of exposure and outrage over these acts of sexual violence suggests a tolerance tipping point in American culture for a problem that institutions and victims alike have long hidden from view.

“I think we are at a critical moment,” said Eugene R. Fidell, an expert on military justice at Yale Law School. “The military is not on an island all to itself, and the debate in the country is over what is the medicine we need to take. The fact that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way our society treats women is a proposition on which there is now general agreement.”

What has changed are the willingness of women to come forward in ways that would have been unthinkable in the past and, as a result, the pressure on institutions to respond to issues that were once allowed to fester just out of sight.

“As women expect more equality,” said Michael S. Roth, the president of Wesleyan University, who banned some fraternity functions after two separate assault cases, “the prevalence of this archaic behavior becomes increasingly intolerable. You now find flash points where you can protest against that behavior on college campuses and in the military, and there will be others where women and others can get attention for their claims.”

What is still in question is whether awareness will lead to effective change in an emotionally charged landscape where the overall problems are clear, but the facts in individual cases can often be elusive.

For all the talk of “zero tolerance” on campuses, in the military and in the White House of sexual assault, extensive legislation on Capitol Hill has yet to move forward and President Obama has largely stayed out of the fray on the issue. The Obama administration has begun to put more pressure on universities and expose which ones are under investigation. But the federal government has yet to pull out its biggest gun: the ability to take away federal funding from universities that are found to violate student rights in sexual assault cases. Critics note that a two-decade-old federal law requiring colleges and universities to disclose information about crime on and around their campuses, including sexual offenses, is rarely enforced.

After the Rolling Stone article detailing a gang rape allegation and an emergency meeting of the board, the University of Virginia found itself under increasing scrutiny this week. Virginia lawmakers have called for hearings on the matter; the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges sent the university a letter asking officials to demonstrate they are in compliance with student safety standards; and more than 1,000 alumni have written emails about the incident.

On Tuesday, former President Jimmy Carter denounced Yale’s handling of an assault case and suggested the military was falling down on the job of adjudicating cases. The issues came together further Thursday when the secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus, announced that the Navy would revoke Mr. Cosby’s title of honorary chief petty officer.

Almost every day, another woman emerges to detail rape or assault allegations against Mr. Cosby. This week in the Senate, lawmakers again presented different versions of bills that would address sexual assault in the military, potentially setting up a legislative conflict that may well hold up a defense bill.

One version, sponsored by Senator Claire McCaskill, Democrat of Missouri, which will be included in the broader defense bill, offers various changes to the system to give victims more rights and assistance. Another, which would be offered as a possible amendment and is sponsored by Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, would strip commanders of their role in prosecuting the cases.

There are several similarities in the challenges faced by colleges and the military, where the adjudication of sexual assault often is conducted outside the criminal justice system. Providing accountability, protections for victims and due process for the accused, while fostering a new culture in which such violence is not tolerated and in which victims are not intimidated or bullied out of reporting the crimes, are common goals. Ms. Gillibrand and Ms. McCaskill are also the authors of bills to address campus assaults.

At the same time, the Obama administration has pressed universities hard to better report and deal with sexual assault under laws many have flouted.

“I have said I believe we should support survivors of attacks,” said Mr. Roth, the Wesleyan president. “The second thing we need is to have clear public procedures for punishing perpetrators.”

Some universities are also reconsidering their policies on Greek life, which some critics have insisted are at the center of sexual violence on campus. At the University of Mary Washington in Virginia, the consideration of establishing a fraternity and sorority system was delayed this week by President Richard Hurley.

At Wesleyan, Mr. Roth suspended the fraternity Psi Upsilon’s ability to hold social events until the end of 2015. The University of Virginia has suspended its fraternity activities until January.

That university’s Board of Visitors is expected to develop new and tougher policies for assaults on campus that officials desperately hope can rewind its growing image as a symbol of rape culture.

But in the case of all violence, there are matters ingrained in the culture that experts on sexual violence say go far beyond the institutions now under fire.

“The fix that I’d like to see,” said Erin Buzuvis, the director of the Center for Gender and Sexuality Studies at the Western New England University School of Law, “and one that is relevant whether we are talking about Cosby or the military or U.Va. is to cultivate as individuals and society intolerance to the ways violence against women is normalized in the media, through sports, on TV and in movies, in video games, in advertising and online.”

Skeptics may say that is more an aspiration than a change likely to occur anytime soon. But Ms. McCaskill, who prosecuted sex crimes before she joined the Senate, said there was something real building, beginning with the willingness of victims to come forward in ways they had not.

“What you’re seeing with Cosby and college campuses and the military is that victims are gaining strength by seeing the courage of other victims,” she said. “I have seen this incredible increase in the number of people who have come out and are saying, ‘I want people to know that this happened to me.’ ”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/05/us/string-of-sexual-assault-cases-may-lead-to-tipping-point.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3As&_r=0
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hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:32 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Masten said she believes she was raped and was told not to report the assault because of the close friendship between Hefner and Cosby.

Give me the name of the person, and if that person is still alive we shall get that side of the story, then we will be able to make some evaluation. Till then......

I understood all I needed when you're ok with a grown man drugging and raping a 13-year-old anally....that's all I need to know about you. You're warped, insensitive, cold and sick.....putting you ignore now. You're not the person I care to know. Not that you care...I bet your circle is narrow.


You misrepresent my opinion, then when I demand justice you put me on ignore. That tells me that you are married to your fantasies.

That is always a mistake in life. Others should look at you and be determined to do better.
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firefly
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 07:17 pm
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Cosby sex abuse accuser takes case to police

The only woman to have filed a sex assault lawsuit against Bill Cosby has taken her case to police, accepting an offer to have her claims investigated despite them dating from 40 years ago.

Judy Huth, who filed legal action against the veteran comic earlier this week, was accompanied by celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred to meet detectives at Los Angeles Police Department on Friday.

LAPD chief Charlie Beck said Thursday his force would investigate any sexual assault against the embattled entertainer, or anyone else, regardless of whether they were covered by the statute of limitations, which limits how long after the fact lawsuits can be filed.

"Today Judy Huth and I came here... to meet with detectives of the LAPD to request an investigation of Mr Cosby," Allred said in a statement in front of the police headquarters in downtown Los Angeles.

"She is here because she believes that it is important that Bill Cosby be investigated... we are here to accept Chief Beck's invitation," she added.

"We also urge others to go to the LAPD and ask them to investigate."

The LAPD did not immediately comment on the meeting.

Around 20 women have now accused the 77-year-old Emmy and Golden Globe winner of sexual assault and even rape in alleged incidents dating mostly from decades ago.

So far the only one who has taken legal action is Huth, a 55-year-old former Playboy hostess who filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles on Tuesday claiming Cosby assaulted her at Hugh Hefner's Playboy Mansion in 1974.

On Thursday Cosby's lawyer, Marty Singer, counter-sued Huth in the LA Superior Court, accusing her of trying to extort up to $250,000 from him in return for her silence.

On Friday a new accuser came forward, another former Playboy "bunny" who claimed that she and at least 12 other fellow employees were raped by Cosby.

P.J. Masten, who began working as a Playboy waitress in 1972, claimed that Cosby drugged and raped her after inviting her to his hotel room in Chicago, and offering her a glass of what he said was Grand Marnier.

"The next thing I knew, it was four o'clock in the morning," she told CNN.

"I woke up in a bed naked, bruised. He was laying next to me, and I slithered out of the bed... I got myself together, I went downstairs, I got in a cab and I went home," she said.

But she was certain that he had raped her while she was unconscious. "This man has to be held accountable. He's a serial rapist. He's been that way since the '60s," she told the broadcaster.

She was not the only former "bunny" to be raped by the entertainer, she claimed.

There were "12 former bunnies that I know of that are ashamed to come forward, frightened to come forward, married with families (and) don't want to come forward," Masten said.

"But they were also drugged and raped by Bill Cosby."

Overnight Thursday a vandal scrawled the word "rapist" on Bill Cosby's Hollywood Walk of Fame star.

The word was written three times on the star on the storied Walk of Fame, the stretch of sidewalk honoring Hollywood celebrities that is visited by millions of tourists every year.

The Hollywood Chamber of Commerce, which looks after the stars and organizes ceremonies for new inductees, acted quickly to have the graffiti removed....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cosby-sex-abuse-accuser-takes-case-to-police/ar-BBgqGIc
hawkeye10
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:00 pm
@firefly,
After Ferguson we should all be queasy about the police using back door methods to try to fry a citizen.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:16 pm
@firefly,
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“What you’re seeing with Cosby and college campuses and the military is that victims are gaining strength by seeing the courage of other victims,” she said. “I have seen this incredible increase in the number of people who have come out and are saying, ‘I want people to know that this happened to me.’ ”


Soldier Pleads Guilty To Secretly Photographing, Videotaping Women At West Point

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FORT DRUM, N.Y. (AP) — An Army sergeant who had been accused of secretly photographing and videotaping at least a dozen women at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point has pleaded guilty in a court martial.

Officials at Fort Drum in northern New York say Sgt. 1st Class Michael McClendon agreed to a plea bargain Wednesday that includes a 33-month sentence, loss of pay, a reduction in rank to private and a bad-conduct discharge.

McClendon was a combat engineer who joined the military in 1990. He was assigned in 2009 to the support staff at West Point, where he worked with cadets.

He was charged last year with dereliction of duty, mistreatment, entering a women's bathroom without notice, and taking and possessing inappropriate photos and videos of women who were naked or in various states of undress.



Yet he gets to remain in the Military ............................









firefly
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:54 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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Yet he gets to remain in the Military ............................

No he doesn't. He's getting a bad conduct discharge from the military, but first he'll have to serve a 33 month sentence.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Sat 6 Dec, 2014 11:40 pm
@firefly,
Excuse my Aussie ignorance then, so what does reduction in rank to private mean?

He can't serve in the Military ever again and he is now and always will be just a Private?

It's not rape but it's another case of taking advantage of women...
 

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