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Bill Cosby accused of Rape - say it ain't so

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 02:28 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
Sounds right, but you need to put that into the context of the times, in the circles these two were running in pretty girls were popping pills and having sex all over the place by 1966. By choice. Even then though I dont think it was cool to misrepresent what was in the pills, I dont think this runs counter to my theory that Cosby got off on doing young girls who had not signed off on the evenings activities, that he ran this game even when the girls were likely to do it freely because no consent was his kink.

Also remember thst till the mid seventies rape needed force, and people did not consider coercion force...cosby would have thought that he was not doing an illegal activity, though he had to know that it was wrong.
Germlat
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 03:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Sounds right, but you need to put that into the context of the times, in the circles these two were running in pretty girls were popping pills and having sex all over the place by 1966. By choice. Even then though I dont think it was cool to misrepresent what was in the pills, I dont think this runs counter to my theory that Cosby got off on doing young girls who had not signed off on the evenings activities, that he ran this game even when the girls were likely to do it freely because no consent was his kink.

Also remember thst till the mid seventies rape needed force, and people did not consider coercion force...cosby would have thought that he was not doing an illegal activity, though he had to know that it was wrong.

So it was chemical restraint applied in the 60's and 70's. So now alcohol has become the chemical restraint? So wait until they're drunk and it's not rape? Sorry...it doesn't wash. It's premeditation...still without consent right?...
FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 03:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
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that he ran this game even when the girls were likely to do it freely because no consent was his kink.

He scored a pretty wife, 19 years of age, when he was 26.

It could also be that he couldn't attract girls at all. There is no history of girlfriends. It could be that "power" gave him women in the end and that he came to like that Hefner drugged girls and it worked, so he could finally get laid as many times as he wanted, "or" get those sexual fantasies that didn't exist "maybe" in his youth, that other guys got, finally. Or he masturbated only, mostly in his youth as he had no girls. Anger, perhaps in making them do the things other guys got that he never. It may be a physiological emotional loss. His wife has stated something about "emotions" with Cosby.


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Also remember this till the mid seventies rape needed force, and people did not consider coercion force...cosby would have thought that he was not doing an illegal activity, though he had to know that it was wrong.


Hawk. He "forced" oral on women, "forced" their hand to help him masturbate, "forced" women when he had two and one noted what he was about to do, stopped him, so he "forced" her.. What do you define as rape? Forcing penetrated sex? He did that too. Just because he gave drugs first and other rapists didn't does not make him a non rapist who forced women, actually "again" "girls"....
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 03:35 pm
@Germlat,
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So it was chemical restraint applied in the 60's and 70's. So now alcohol has become the chemical restraint? So wait until they're drunk and it's not rape? Sorry...it doesn't wash. It's premeditation...still without consent right?..


The standards of sexual behavior of the time were very not like the standards of today. I am not willing to judge Bill Cosbys action during the 60's and 70's by 2014 standards. That is unfair.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 03:40 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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It could also be that he couldn't attract girls at all. There is no history of girlfriends.

Are you kidding me? Are you drunk?

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He "forced" oral on women, "forced" their hand to help him masturbate, "forced" women when he had two and one noted what he was about to do, stopped him, so he "forced" her
It was expected back then that a woman would be submissive in sex, would follow the lead of the man. Cosby was likely more assertive than was the norm, but these actions at the time would not have been considered particularly bad acts by Cosby. One of the many reasons for Statutes of Limitations is to not punish people by standards that did not exist when the acts happened. We should get back to that.
firefly
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 04:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It was expected back then that a woman would be submissive in sex, would follow the lead of the man

You're out of your mind. That's not true. You're trying to make Cosby seem normal. His behavior was no more the norm back then than it would be now. He wasn't "assertive"--he's a sexual aggressor.

He used his power and status, and fear of him, to force these women--he sexually assaulted them--he expected them to be submissive to him because he felt entitled to use them sexually. That's how a sexual predator thinks.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 04:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Find me anything, one little thing, anything on where Cosby had any women before his wife at 26 years of age.

Followed by what FF said.
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firefly
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 04:25 pm
It seems that Tina Fey was trying to call attention to Cosby's sexual behaviors on both SNL and 30 Rock
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Tina Fey may have first called attention to Cosby claims
12/04/14

Comedian Hannibal Buress has been widely credited with resurfacing rape allegations made against Bill Cosby in a stand-up routine that went viral, but some clever Internet sleuths have uncovered evidence that another funny figure might have called attention to the controversy first: Tina Fey.

In both a “Saturday Night Live” segment on Weekend Update and in an episode of her sitcom “30 Rock,” Fey made pointed references to claims that Cosby has drugged and raped numerous women.

On a 2005 episode of “SNL,” Fey and her co-anchor, Amy Poehler, did intentionally mediocre impressions of the now 77-year-old comic legend, while alluding to his out of court settlement with a woman who had accused him of sexual assault. Fey joked that “Cosby could not be held responsible from his actions because he was suffering from [imitating Cosby’s voice] the brain damage.” At the time, her fellow cast-member Kenan Thompson was starring in a big screen adaptation of Cosby’s iconic cartoon series “Fat Albert”:

Fey: [in ‘Cosby’ voice] No, Kenan is not coming out because of the “Fat Albert,” and the money, and the sequels!’

Poehler: [also doing a Cosby impression] Of course he can’t talk about the boobies, and the groping, and the pudding pops!’

Fey: Because it would upset Mr. Cosby, and his wife, Camille!’

A few years later, Cosby was the subject of a running gag on the NBC sitcom “30 Rock.” The infamously sanctimonious stand-up was lampooned as being a member of a fictional black celebrity consortium called “The Black Crusaders” (which included Oprah Winfrey) who were constantly dogging Tracy Morgan’s character for his racially insensitive material. On a 2009 episode written by Fey called “The Bubble,” Morgan made a crack about Cosby’s alleged history of sexual abuse when confronted by another character impersonating the former sitcom star.

“Bill Cosby, you got a lotta nerve gettin’ on the phone wit’ me after what you did to my Aunt Paulette … 1971. Cincinnati,” Morgan says. “She was a cocktail waitress with the droopy eye!”

Ironically, Buress served as a writer for “30 Rock” for a six-month stint and occasionally made cameos on the show...

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tina-fey-may-have-blown-the-whistle-bill-cosby-first
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Germlat
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 06:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Why not? My mom was a 60's chick and she'd agree with me....taking advantage over someone who's sedated...it's rape.
ehBeth
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 06:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
but these actions at the time would not have been considered particularly bad acts


you are certifiable
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 06:26 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
but these actions at the time would not have been considered particularly bad acts


you are certifiable


Or alternatively you have lead a sheltered life. Roman Polanski at 43 gets an 13 year old girl drunk and has sex with her and takes nudes of her for his personal enjoyment in 1977 and it was worth arresting for but not major jail time because it was not a big deal. Things were even more lose in the years before that. Bill Cosby taking a the hand of 17 year old girl who has as agreed to join him in a bedroom and placing it and holding it on his dick would have at most warranted a lecture from the cops at the time.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 06:30 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:

Why not? My mom was a 60's chick and she'd agree with me....taking advantage over someone who's sedated...it's rape.


The question though is in 1969 if the girl has willingly took the pills and not cared what was in them would she have expected the guy to be arrested? Doubtful. Especially if the girl had in the past willingly had sex with the same guy. Things were different then.
Germlat
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 07:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
See....you're not getting it. It's not who's willing take what... It's who's willing to take advantage ....BTW--I wasn't even born then....
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ossobuco
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 07:58 pm
@Germlat,
I'm a 60's chick, and agree.
Germlat
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:07 pm
@ossobuco,
Yes...thank you!! It wasn't ok then and it's not ok now.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:27 pm
@Germlat,
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The Roman Polanski case is a clear case for sexual abuse. It’s infuriating that people are losing the main point. He’s a guy who had sex with a child. If she had been beaten or if she had been rushed to the hospital, it would have been an entirely different situation, but because she wasn’t physically traumatized nobody cares. She was drugged, the poor thing. If he had slapped her around, if he had pushed her up against the wall, he would have been locked up. Ninety-five percent of children don’t fight it because they don’t understand what’s happening and because when they tell the truth nobody cares.


http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/

Until late into the 70's if the woman was not beaten and if she was considered a loose woman going to the police with a story about being handed pills which the took and then blacking out and being used for sex would have resulted in a morals lecture from the police. Bills actions would not have involved any legal liability at the time, and to go after him now with 2014 sexual moral hygiene standards for those ancient events is abuse.
Germlat
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're so confused...you need therapy.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:42 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:

You're so confused...you need therapy.


So you keep saying, yet you bring neither evidence nor an argument. Makes me think that what you are doing is putting your fingers in your ears, which will not make the truth go away.
glitterbag
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 10:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Bottom line for you???? There is no such thing as crime??? Is there anything a person can do that they shouldn't do???? By the way, the kiddie sodomist didn't avoid jail because it was not considered a crime, he fled the country to avoid jail time.
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ossobuco
 
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Fri 5 Dec, 2014 10:53 pm
One of the plusses, I think, of the internet, is that when I was a teen in the late fifties, I thought people from the twenties were way, way, far away. Dead, mostly, and way off base (whatever I thought base was). There were a lot of authors that I did read, but took as from way past.

This stupidity of mine may be somewhat related to wars happening - wars and their cataclysms might made divisions, as did, at least in the U.S., the depression. Worse elsewhere, in almost unimaginable ways.

Now we're in an era when 'everything' is discussed and the deal is to figure out the good parts.

Re Cosby? The internet has some perks re spreading knowledge. I figure some of this won't pan out. I get a lot of it.
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