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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 12:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You've got a pretty low opinion of women, and a general sense of paranoia, if the only way you can have sex and avoid being accused of rape is by paying a prostitute.

That's less safe, lets say I am someone who wants to ruin you, and I know you frequent brothels, it would be far easier bribing a group of prostitutes to make up a load of allegations than it would to corrupt a loving partner.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 12:59 pm
@izzythepush,
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had a court injunction taken out against him by his ex wife,


Therefore I know from my own life that some women will indeed lied under oath about being abused or harm against completely innocent men.

The only person that was ever hit or abused in my first marriage happen to be myself IE I was the victim two times one from the my wife physical abused and then from the state just handing out court orders without any need of proof being shown first. It was nice that if I have desire a hearing I could request one to prove my innocent.

I spend instead my limited funds following my lawyer advice to file and get a divorce from her as soon as possible.

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asked to leave a children's play area because he was on his own with a box of kittens,


It was not a child only children play area it was a public park for everyone first of all. Second the excuse given to me at the time was that no animals was allowed in that park and sorry I just refused to feel bad about moving heaven and earth to find homes for kittens that showed up one day at my front door with their mother.

Oh, my wife who was the deputy director of the child welfare department covering a major Northern city during her career and she was the one who suggested my walking over to the park as she and her daughters had done similar actions to find home for puppies.

Both of us forgetting that men all men unlike her and her two daughters are now view as likely danger to children. If either of us had though of this sad fact she would have either walk over with me or taken the kittens to that park without me.

Hell just a half years ago she too found herself needing to find homes for kittens at her northern home and was having neighborhood children dropping by to play with them in the hope that the children would get their parents to agree to adopt some of them.

I needed to laugh as I am sure if I had done similar actions there would had been neighbors with torches outside my door as men are assume to be evil not just animal lovers.

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child pornography as a "useful member of society"


Of course cancer research experts and fire fighters and so on are useful citizens whether they had a sickness of looking at sick pictures or not.

We have gone so crazy in the US that someone can rape a child and get far less punishment for doing so that having pictures of someone else raping that child.

A major of sitting Federal judges in fact agree with me that something is wrong with the current sentencing guidelines for this misdeed.

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the criminal's computer being impounded, boasted of his own computer security,


Been highly interested in computer security long before the internet and home computers powerful enough to even contain picture files let alone videos and there are a hell of a lot of threads on this website that have my input on computer security not just the threads that deal with criminal matters.




BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:02 pm
@izzythepush,
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You've got a pretty low opinion of women, and a general sense of paranoia, if the only way you can have sex and avoid being accused of rape is by paying a prostitute.


An you have a poor opinion of men as a whole joining firefly in her opinion that most men are sexual predators or would be sexual predators held barely in check by the laws.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:09 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
An you have a poor opinion of men as a whole joining firefly in her opinion that most men are sexual predators or would be sexual predators held barely in check by the laws.


Totally arse about tit, neither FF nor I believe that. FF has posted that most men aren't like that. You're the one judging all men based on your own sick standards. Most men are nothing like you.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:14 pm
@BillRM,
Nothing I said is wrong is it. You can jackanory as long as you like, but I think most people have already made their minds up.

You are a self confessed expert on the ease of which child pornography can be obtained, the ways to obtain it without being detected, and the best security systems to use to keep it safe on your computer.

I'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation for your expertise.

Bet it's as implausible as all the rest.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:25 pm
@izzythepush,
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You're the one judging all men based on your own sick standards. Most men are nothing like you.


No I am judging you and her over for one thing supporting the ruining of men college careers without anywhere near the due process rights in the criminal courts.

In some cases the men not even having the very basic right to face their accusers in those hearings.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:37 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You've got a pretty low opinion of women,
Allegedly, some of them have used the rape laws
as effective instruments of revenge for minor, un-related disagreements.
If that is true, then it behooves us to be AWARE of that pitfall.
Morally, it is the duty of every father to warn his young sons of it, before it is too late, not merely visit him in prison.

izzythepush wrote:
and a general sense of paranoia
No. Paranoia is personal. My caution is for all males of our species.
I remain clearly aware that the chicks of the world r not out to get me.


izzythepush wrote:
if the only way you can have sex and avoid being accused of rape
is by paying a prostitute.
Like drunken driving, trusting any person, including chicks,
is not safe and shud be kept to a minimum.



izzythepush wrote:
That's less safe, lets say I am someone who wants to ruin you, and I know you frequent brothels, it would be far easier bribing a group of prostitutes to make up a load of allegations than it would to corrupt a loving partner.
Has that EVER HAPPENED in the history of the world, in ANY country??????
Can u point to ANY example?????? In your example, even if u DON T frequent brothels, in exchange for enuf money,
the ladies can be bribed to inculpate u the same or worse than if u did. Yes?? Agree???

There is greater danger of being hit by lightning than bribed defamation.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 01:42 pm
@izzythepush,
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You are a self confessed expert on the ease of which child pornography can be obtained, the ways to obtain it without being detected, and the best security systems to use to keep it safe on your computer


So anyone with knowledge and skills of computers and networks that approach that of the average IP employee, at a guess a few hundred thousands in the US alone, should be view as someone who would deal in child porn or other computer misdeeds?

Knowing about a subject like child porn or drug use or bank robbery mean that you are a user of child porn or a drug user or a bank robber. Hmm if you are skill rifleman you are likely a would be sniper?

A good citizen should be a dumb and uninformed citizen in your world view?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 02:04 pm
@izzythepush,
By the way I also have the theoretical knowledge to be able to build fairly powerful bombs if I ever care to do so.

Does that mean that I should be view as a likely bomber along with the millions of others with basic chemical knowledge?

Anyone who does not limit his or herself picking up knowledge over a lifetime on all manner of subjects should be view as a threat to the state in one way or another?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 02:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Has that EVER HAPPENED in the history of the world, in ANY country??????
Can u point to ANY example?????? In your example, even if u DON T frequent brothels, in exchange for enuf money,
the ladies can be bribed to inculpate u the same or worse than if u did. Yes?? Agree???David


Haven't you seen The Godfather. I'm sure plenty of people have been compromised because of their brothel visitations.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 02:33 pm
@BillRM,
I've met a lot of people who know specialist information about weapons systems, I knew a guy who programmed them. We learnt how to make gunpowder at school, but I've never met anyone, in any field, who knows quite so much about child pornography as you.

It's not something normal people are interested in, in fact most people would rather not know about it, let alone boast about it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 02:55 pm
@izzythepush,
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I've never met anyone, in any field, who knows quite so much about child pornography as you.

It's not something normal people are interested in,.


it is a fascinating subject.....how pictures get a label based upon the response law and order types imagine they gin up in perverts. I find it very strange that we are handing out very heavy punishments for people having pictures of children nakid when the kids are doing nothing sexual in the pics. I find it very strange that pictures of fully clothed kids vamping it up to look like they are adults are child porn if they have they bend their bodies the "wrong" way or touch an allegedly sexual part of their body in the pic such as their butt. I fond it very strange that according to our laws two 17yo's can have sex, but if they take a pic of themselves having sex they are considered child pornographers and can be rung up and made lifetime sexual predator list participants.

Documentation for part of the above
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Notably, the legal definition of sexually explicit conduct does not require that an image depict a child engaging in sexual activity. A picture of a naked child may constitute illegal child pornography if it is sufficiently sexually suggestive.

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide/citizensguide_porn.html

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in fact most people would rather not know about it, let alone boast about it.
the state counts on this to continue to get away with its abuse. Dont be a bystander to abuse, get involved, do what you can to shut it down.

Child porn is like rape, the definition that the state uses is now so large that the term is basically meaningless.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm not surprised to see you jump to his defence.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
This is European but the Americans basically follow this as well

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The COPINE Scale
1 Indicative Non-erotic and non-sexualised pictures showing children in their underwear, swimming costumes from either commercial sources or family albums. Pictures of children playing in normal settings, in which the context or organisation of pictures by the collector indicates inappropriateness.
2 Nudist Pictures of naked or semi-naked children in appropriate nudist settings, and from legitimate sources.
3 Erotica Surreptitiously taken photographs of children in play areas or other safe environments showing either underwear or varying degrees of nakedness.
4 Posing Deliberately posed pictures of children fully clothed, partially clothed or naked (where the amount, context and organisation suggests sexual interest).
5 Erotic Posing Deliberately posed pictures of fully, partially clothed or naked children in sexualised or provocative poses.
6 Explicit Erotic Posing Pictures emphasising genital areas, where the child is either naked, partially clothed or fully clothed.
7 Explicit Sexual Activity Pictures that depict touching, mutual and self-masturbation, oral sex and intercourse by a child, not involving an adult.
8 Assault Pictures of children being subject to a sexual assault, involving digital touching, involving an adult.
9 Gross Assault Grossly obscene pictures of sexual assault, involving penetrative sex, masturbation or oral sex, involving an adult.
10 Sadistic/Bestiality a. Pictures showing a child being tied, bound, beaten, whipped or otherwise subject to something that implies pain.
b. Pictures where an animal is involved in some form of sexual behaviour with a child.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COPINE_scale

Just to be clear this is the level that a pic is child porn. Child porn is not just what most people think it is, it is a whole lot more too.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:09 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I'm not surprised to see you jump to his defence.

No doubt because you have heard my arguments that child porn laws are whack and that the state abuses its citizens with bad law.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:20 pm
@izzythepush,
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It's not something normal people are interested in, in fact most people would rather not know about it, let alone boast about it.


boast about it??????????

In any case, I would think and I in fact know that I am hardly alone as far as people with an interest in computer security/network security and how law enforcement/government impact both being interest in such crimes as child porn. terrorism and copyright crimes.

With special note of the government using the fact of child porn crimes and terrorism as reasons/justifications to try to limit privacy/encrypted technology.

By google news searchs for example you will get thousands of hits concerning child porn arrests however a google search on encrypt and child porn will get maybe one hit at the very most.

Law enforcement is not running into the problem of encryption in any meaningful manner when it come to such crimes as child porn and yet they are stating that encrypted technology is a threat to them being able to enforce those laws and measures need to be taken against the ability of citizens to encrypted their computers.

So to sum up I am interest in child porn on the net not for itself but mainly for how it is being used as an excused for the government to try to limit the rights of citizen to encrypted both their computers and their internet traffic.

See Holder and the current FBI director whining about google and apple increasing the security of their smart phones for an example and using terrorism and child porn as an excused for the whining.

I also find it crazy that the punishment for having such sick material is harsher in some cases then the raping of a child would be.

Our laws in many areas are not sane and that is in agreement with the majority of federal judges when it come to CP.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:23 pm
@izzythepush,
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I'm not surprised to see you jump to his defence.


So you need a defense if you are interest in what the government is doing in your name?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:38 pm
@BillRM,
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Our laws in many areas are not sane


And often they are not even clear, sometimes on purpose and sometimes because the lawmakers put out shoddy work. THe ObamaCare law for instance has been in court multiple times because the law is so poorly crafted that no one can agree on what the words mean.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
How about the craziness of the governors ignoring the medical experts when it come to Ebola and are going to end up doing far more harm then good by doing so.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 03:55 pm
@BillRM,
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An you have a poor opinion of men as a whole joining firefly in her opinion that most men are sexual predators or would be sexual predators held barely in check by the laws.

Because you continually make false statements, like that, about me, is why people don't believe you--you have no regard for the truth.

In the 10 years I've been at A2K, I've never voiced that opinion of men, or anything close to it, because that's not how I feel. Most men are not sexual predators, only a very very small percentage are, nor are most men "held barely in check by the laws". And the sexual assault laws were written and voted into effect by predominately male legislatures--men want these laws as well, to punish offenders and try to deter such crimes.

But, unlike most men, you are downright paranoid regarding women. You've compared having sexual contact with any woman, other than your current wife, to playing Russian roulette. You regard all women as malicious liars who might be out to harm you and all other men. You ignore the fact that the rate of false accusations is actually very low, as determined by the most recent and careful studies, and most of those involve a clearly emotionally disturbed woman, as was the case in the Duke case, and the Hofstra case you are fond of citing. You must regard all women as emotionally disturbed and evil if you think they are all liable to lodge a false rape allegation, at any moment, for the hell of it. I have no negative opinions of men in general, but you definitely have negative opinions of women in general.

I don't believe that your first wife lied about you when she got a restraining order against you. You constantly make blatantly untrue comments about me, so I have to assume you might do that about her as well. And the fact you never went to court to dispute her allegations, which you had every legal right to do, suggests her allegations might have had merit. She apparently wanted to keep you away from her, and all she did was get a court order to help her do that.

And your story about why you were asked to leave the park, when you were observed with a box of kittens and interacting with unaccompanied children, has changed considerably since you first related it. In the initial telling, you were quite clear that you were asked to leave the park because others thought you were a pedophile or child molester, and you felt this was unfair discrimination because you were a male--that was your point for relating this incident. It had nothing to do with pets not being allowed in the park. And you were using the kittens to lure children to you, so others in the park had a right to be suspicious and concerned, and to take action to have you removed. You denied the entire notion that child molesters might use animal lures in a park to entice children, when you really should have admired those other adults for being alert and protective of children. You also failed to realize that parents might not want you trying to palm your kittens off on children without getting their permission first. Your bad judgment got you kicked out of that park, not your gender.

So you're lying in your revisionist retelling of the park incident about why you were kicked out of the park. It's one lie after another with you.

In the Rape thread you insulted A2K members who related their own experiences of rape with rather gross insensitivity. You seem to have no feelings of compassion for those who have been subjected to sexual assaults, even when they are members of our own A2K community, and when they have the courage to speak out, you tend to belittle or ignore them.

Let's get real, when we talk about sexual assault and rape we are talking about criminal acts--crimes--and crimes more often committed against women, but also against men . You see attempts to reduce the prevalence of these crimes, and to prosecute them, as some kind of "war on young men", and you keep reiterating that. You completely ignore the fact that people are harmed by these crimes, and your sympathies go exclusively to those accused and charged with committing them. That's exactly the same thing you do on the subject of child pornography--you ignore the distasteful industry and child victimization that consumers of this product keep thriving, in favor of seeing these people as "useful citizens", who should simply better encrypt their computers so the government can't find this material on them.

You just don't care about those who are victimized by sexual crimes--whether it's child pornography or sexual assault and rape. You've made that abundantly clear for the past several years. You blame rape victims for their own assaults, asserting "Men should not be expected to be the guardians of women"--ignoring the fact that men, just like women, should be expected to obey the sexual assault laws regarding consent--beside revealing your own acceptance of sexual assault, and the implicit contempt for women that underlies it.

izzythepush repeatedly nails you for being the liar and creep that you are, and for your continued sympathy with the perpetrators of various sexual crimes, and lack of it for the victims of such crimes. In response, you tell him he has "a poor opinion of men as a whole". No he doesn't, he has a poor opinion of you--just as the people in the park were suspicious of you, and what you were doing, and not men "as a whole"--just as your ex-wife got a restraining order to specifically keep you away from her.

Thank goodness you don't represent most men, nor do you speak for most men. You generate negative responses toward yourself because of what you're like, and the views you express, having nothing to do with your gender.













 

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