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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 04:08 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye we have a case in the south Florida area of a firefighter found with child porn material but no sign of him having harm directly any child in his life and he was given 27 years behind bars!!!!!!!!

An in spit of Izzy I think that a firefighter with a long career already behind him is a useful citizen even with a sickness and desire to watch such material in his off time at the firehouse.

Nor do I think that it made sense to have him behind bars for longer then some or even most child molesters received and beside the cost of losing a train firefighter the 27 years is likely to cost the taxpayers well over a million dollars.

We need to used the big big hammer of such punishment far more lightly and combine reasonable punishment with mental health treatment and monitoring.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 04:26 pm
@firefly,
I have never known anyone on these threads who put facts together in such a clear and concise and completely compelling manner as you do. Needless to say I agree with you on this 100%.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 04:49 pm
@revelette2,
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who put facts together in such a clear and concise and completely compelling manner as you do


I can not comment on Firefly postings as she been on ignore by me since she took a posting of mine and by editing out the ending completely change it meaning from a clearly sarcastic comment to an admission to a serious crime.

She surely put facts together but if I was you I would not trust any of her so call facts without checking them carefully as she is not an honest person.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:13 pm
@BillRM,
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No I am judging you and her over for one thing supporting the ruining of men college careers without anywhere near the due process rights in the criminal courts.


Can't you stop lying?

I've said, repeatedly, including again in this thread, that I think these matters of serious sexual assaults, like rape, should be handled in the criminal courts, with full due process, rather than by college tribunals.

However, the trade-off for doing that would be a loss of privacy for the accused, whose name would then be publicly known. In the case of a rape charge, the crime is a felony which could result in years of prison time, which is a lot harsher than just getting kicked off one campus, the most severe action a college can take, particularly since it is fairly easy to just transfer to another college, as the article I previously posted clearly shows. So "college careers" don't seem to be ruined by just getting booted off one campus, or being allowed to withdraw before a disciplinary hearing even takes place. And, in the case of serial predators, it simply changes the location where they can continue to commit their crimes.

If anything, the colleges have been accused of mishandling these serious sexual assault matters, trivializing them, or trying to sweep them under the rug, which has resulted in the large number of current complaints against colleges and universities, and the White House initiative to get this situation rectified. And that includes improving the adjudication procedures.

Placing these matters in the criminal justice system might rectify some problems, but it might also place more of these young men in prison rather than on another campus, with criminal records and the need to register as sex offenders, and you're not considering that. Since colleges are not trying these matters as crimes they do not have to provide the exact same protections afforded in the criminal justice system.

Again, you ignore the victims, whose college careers, and lives, may also be ruined by being raped by a fellow student, in favor of sympathizing with predators who might simply have to change schools as punishments for violating the school code of conduct. And there have been suicides among those students victimized by being raped. And it is the rape survivors on campus who are currently the most vocal in demanding that their colleges and universities better address the situation.

Rape and sexual assault are issues of crime and safety on campuses. But you see attempts to address the issue as a "war on young men". No, it's not. Most college men don't sexually assault anyone, nor are they ever accused of doing that, nor do they want to see anyone doing that, nor would they likely agree with your skewed views on the matter that totally disregard the victims of such sexual abuse.
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I can not comment on Firefly postings as she been on ignore by me...

Another blatant lie, since you are commenting on my opinions on this topic, and considerably distorting what those opinions are--meaning you are either reading my posts, or completely making up the opinions you attribute to be. Either way, you are lying.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 05:50 pm
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Every college parent's fear: Campus rape
By Gregg Jarrett
·Published September 25, 2014·
FoxNews.com

Like millions of Americans, I recently dropped my daughter off to college for her freshman year. She was brimming with excitement and hope. I was troubled with gnawing apprehension, if not fear. I love her dearly and I want her to be safe. But will she be?

I’m like any parent. From the first day I walked her through the doors of kindergarten, I had to let go. Little by little. Allow her an increasing measure of freedom to learn, explore and mature in a nurturing, but protected, environment. But now, I’m not there at the end of the day to make sure my little girl is safe and happy. I knew this day would come. And I have dreaded it.

I’m a newsman. I know what happens. I report the stories all too often. Yes, college campuses are generally secure. But they are not impervious to the hidden danger of rape and other sexual crimes. It happens at an alarming rate.

A woman who attends college is more likely to be assaulted than a woman who does not. Nearly 20 % of female college students have been sexually assaulted, according to a White House task force.

I suspect the true number is significantly higher. Many young women are reluctant to report it. They keep it secret for fear of embarrassment, shame, retribution, and the trauma of reliving the nightmare during legal or disciplinary proceedings. I get it. There are repercussions. Victims are especially afraid of being stigmatized or ostracized within the tight, insular social circles on campus.

If a student does report being sexually assaulted, what then? There is ample evidence that many colleges are ill-equipped and unmotivated to handle the accusations seriously.

I was stunned to learn of a recent Senate report which found that 41 % of schools conducted no investigations in the past 5 years, notwithstanding numerous complaints by female students. Zero. How can that be?

The answer seems obvious to me. Schools are terrified of the fallout. They fear that any negative publicity might tarnish their otherwise sterling reputations resulting in diminished standing, not to mention enrollment applications.

Some administrators care less about the victims, and more about their own precious ivory tower images, lest students, parents and donors discover the truth. So, they pretend it doesn’t happen. Like Alice stepping “Through the Looking-Glass,” these colleges live in their own alternative world. It is time they step back into reality.

Parents, like myself, are catching on. And so is the government. Roughly 80 colleges and universities, including many prominent Ivy League schools, have been identified in a federal investigation into their handling of sexual assault cases, some of which involve lawsuits. Civil rights violations. Specifically, the Title IX law which forbids gender discrimination at institutions receiving federal money and requires colleges to investigate rape cases. (The law considers rape, assault and sexual harassment to be discrimination on the basis of sex.)

These cases reveal an unsettling fact: many colleges are dilatory or derelict in failing to prevent attacks. Once they do occur, campus investigations have proven to be scant, shoddy and incompetent. All too often, complaints are brushed aside. Local police are kept in the dark. Survivors are encouraged to drop it. Crimes are covered up. The alleged victim is victimized all over again.

Take the case of Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston at Florida State University. Accused of raping a student almost 2 years ago, the university did not bother to investigate, even though its athletic department was well aware of the incendiary allegations.

Inexplicably, Tallahassee police waited 2 weeks before interviewing the star quarterback. They conducted a cursory probe before dropping the case. Only now, under public pressure, is FSU launching an investigation, albeit belatedly. Fat chance it will amount to anything.

Awareness is on the rise driven, in part, by student activism. Columbia University student Emma Sulkowicz, angry over how the school adjudicated her claim of rape, has taken to carrying a mattress around campus. Dubbed “Mattress girl” by fellow students and the media, her visually indelible protest has galvanized a growing demand for honesty and transparency. And why not? Schools should be required to publish accurate information about the frequency of assaults. It can be done without breaching individual students’ privacy.

I was relieved when my daughter told me her university conducts classes for incoming freshmen on rape awareness, prevention and reporting. Why don’t all colleges do that? Twenty-one percent of schools provide no response training for faculty and staff. Thirty-one percent offer no instruction whatsoever for students, much less resources or support services for survivors. Don’t expect campus police to fill the void. Many are insufficiently trained and have no protocols at all.

In my mind, too many educational institutions are obsessed with burnishing their stature and safeguarding their reputations. They will change course only if forced to do so. This is where lawyers in the Civil Rights Office at the Dept. of Education come in. They have the authority to halt federal funding to those colleges which fail to prevent, police or properly investigate campus rapes.

They can also levy fines and have done so already. But the amounts thus far have been insignificant.

Congress needs to act to impose much harsher penalties. They can be calculated based on a school’s wealth. For example, Yale University (which settled a Title IX claim of creating a sexually hostile environment for female students) has an annual operating budget of nearly $3 billion. One percent would constitute a $3 million fine. Of course, there must be assurances that the penalty’s cost cannot be passed along to students in the form of higher tuition. But three million bucks might actually get someone’s attention in those ivory towers.

Above all, colleges and universities must do more to always involve local police. No more secrets. Rape and other sexual assaults are crimes. They must be treated as such. Law enforcement should be allowed to do its job. Schools should stick to what they do best -- teaching. And that includes educating students about campus sex crimes.

When we send our children off to college and kiss them goodbye, we want to know their school is doing its absolute best to keep them safe.

Gregg Jarrett is a Fox News Anchor and former defense attorney.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/09/25/every-college-parent-fear-campus-rape/
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 06:58 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
In the Rape thread you insulted A2K members who related their own experiences of rape with rather gross insensitivity. You seem to have no feelings of compassion for those who have been subjected to sexual assaults, even when they are members of our own A2K community, and when they have the courage to speak out, you tend to belittle or ignore them.


Shocked Has he ever denied this accusation? No wonder he makes my skin crawl! Evil or Very Mad
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 07:15 pm
@firefly,
Thank you.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 08:01 pm
@wmwcjr,
He's never denied doing it. He really couldn't, because he did--and at least 4 A2K members, that I can recall, posted about their own rape experiences in that thread.

After a particularly offensive remark to one of those women, he came up with some BS excuse that he didn't realize she was talking about herself, although it was quite clear she had posted about her own experiences. This particular person had been raped several times in her life, the first time at the age of two, causing her severe internal injuries, she was again sexually abused in early adolescence, and she was again repeatedly raped by her husband during a marriage--a truly horrifying history of abuse. One of BillRM's comments to her, which I found jaw-dropping in its insensitivity, was something along the lines of, 'why didn't she pretend to enjoy it when her husband raped her?'.

He wasn't much better in his responses to the A2K member, a victim of incest, who had to have her own father arrested and incarcerated for that crime. Or in his response to the A2K member, who continues to mention her rape by an acquaintance who overpowered her.

Something in BillRM is very twisted when it comes to the issue of sexual assaults, and the impact of those assaults, even when he hears it directly from victims who have posted in this forum--his responses really tend to be extremely unfeeling and, at times, somewhat aberrant. He really seems unable to connect with what survivors of sexual assault have experienced, or he willfully wants to disregard or trivialize it.





wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 09:44 pm
@firefly,
Some people seem to forget that rape impacts the lives of others besides the victims themselves. Just to give an example I know of personally: Decades ago a close friend of mine married a young woman who had been repeatedly sexually abused in her preteens by her maternal grandfather -- who, incidentally, had abused her mother when she was a young girl. My friend and his wife had a daughter. When their daughter was of the same age as her mother (my friend's wife) when the abuse had started by the grandfather, she (my friend's wife) began to experience flashbacks of sexual assaults; and her personality began to change. She had been a faithful Christian, but started to commit adultery with more than one man and left the church. Their marriage broke apart, and my friend and their daughter (who was about six years old at the time) were devastated by the divorce. So, even though the grandfather had died years before all of this happened, his evil lived on after him.

Anyone with half a brain should realize that many rapes aren't even reported. The reasons why are obvious.

I wonder if BillRM has the same callous attitude toward victims of male-on-male rape. "Well, I guess he provoked it by his sexy mannerisms! Oh, my, what was he wearing?" Rolling Eyes (Incidentally, it's interesting that the so-called "Men's Rights Movement" is reactive only about feminists as if none of the problems that many boys and men face are caused by other guys. I guess male-on-male rape, not to mention other issues, is caused by feminists! Rolling Eyes )

I believe one of the other A2K members (maxdancona) has actually said that rape isn't a serious problem. He should tell that to the victims. Actually, he shouldn't. That would be "rubbing salt into their wounds."

Anyone like BillRM who lacks empathy to such a shocking degree is twisted, indeed. Perhaps he thinks empathy is a "feminine" (and, therefore, undesirable!) trait. I wouldn't give someone like that the time of day. I also don't care for hawkeye10's constant dumping on victims in general. Perhaps he and BillRM should join the Michael Savage (not his real surname) Fan Club and join Michael Wiener in saying that veterans with PTSD are narcissistic weaklings. (Of course, the Savage Wiener has never served in the military.)

Only a few of the people I know have admitted to being rape victims. But I've seen the terrible impact of this crime in their lives; so, I have no use for creeps who mock rape victims or deny that rape is a problem. Freedom of speech? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure thing, Constitution and all. They can post their vile comments, but I don't have to read them. I gotta hand it to you, firefly! I don't know how you can do it. I just don't have the stomach for it.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 10:14 pm
@wmwcjr,
An who is our friend firefly accusing of being insensitivity to rape victims and who is making your skin crawl due to him not denying this insensitivity?

Given that the lady had edit posts to change important meanings a hundred and eighty degree she does not have any room to talk about anyone else who ever it might be.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 10:32 pm
@wmwcjr,
Oh Firefly knowing repeat knowing that I am blocking her is claiming that I am guilty of being uncaring to rape victims due to my not responding to her charges in her postings?

If that is what is happening here thenthat is more evidence that the "lady" is more then willing to be dishonest.

Next how is allowing innocent men to be punished for misdeeds that they did not do or demanding that anyone charge with such a serous misdeed be given due process harming real rape victims?

Is it your position that any man charge with a sexual assault whether guilty or not are harming real rape victims by mounting a defense?

The three innocent young Drake athletes and others such as their team members who saw their team disbanded for a season and who coach was fired should have just roll over so real rape victims do not feel worst?

When people such as myself had called for serous punishment for anyone for falsely charging rape when no rape had happen and partly in order to not reduce the seriousness that the society as a whole take the real crime of rape Firefly had not seen why we should do so and have no problem with the young lady walking away free in the Duke case without any punishment.

The woman that then went on to murder one of her boyfriends.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 10:45 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, Firefly is playing up the cult of the victim, something that we see a lot of. This is what powers the elite's claim that victims should not be questioned too seriously if at all about her alleged victimization..... this is what powers the feminist claim that if a woman feels like she was victimized during s sexual encounter then she was, because her feelings are all the matter. What the accused actually did, and the signals that the accused was operating off of are completely irrelevant according to the victim culture promoters. Any man who says " Hey wait a minute, maybe this victim story is not quite the truth" or " one victim story does not amount to a hill of beans amounst the many billions of stories that the 316 million of us have to tell" is going to be subjected to the full on attack that Firefly has just launched against you, because you have insulted the tenants of victim culture and victim culture promoters are sure that they need to go balls to the wall to protect the cult of the victim that they have built up in the West over the last few generations. .

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Next how is allowing innocent men to be punished
Only some feminists will agree that such a thing as an innocent man is even theoretically possible, much less that any exist right now.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:10 pm
@izzythepush,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Has that EVER HAPPENED in the history of the world, in ANY country??????
Can u point to ANY example?????? In your example, even if u DON T frequent brothels, in exchange for enuf money,
the ladies can be bribed to inculpate u the same or worse than if u did. Yes?? Agree???David
izzythepush wrote:

Haven't you seen The Godfather.
I saw it when it came out.
So far as I know, it does not purport to be based on truthful fact.
Its been a while. I dont remember that scene being in it,
but I don t brag about my memory.




izzythepush wrote:
I'm sure plenty of people have been compromised because of their brothel visitations.
For the sake of argument: let 's assume that is true.
Do u allege that any IMMUNITY therefrom arises from
staying away from the brothels of those dishonestly deceptive damsels ?
In other words, do u claim that NO amount of money, however great,
woud be sufficient to convince them to attribute miss-conduct to u UNLESS
u actually passed thru their doorway???????

In any case, un-like robbing a bank,
there is nothing immoral, nothing shameful about paying
a young lady for her services. It is a perfectly honorable thing to do.

It does not violate anyone 's rights.





David
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:22 pm
@BillRM,
It's one lie after another with you.
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Given that the lady had edit posts to change important meanings a hundred and eighty degree she does not have any room to talk about anyone else who ever it might be.

I've never edited your posts to alter their meanings, despite your continuously repeating that lie. Neither I nor anyone else has any need or motive to do that, since your posts, in their entirety, are read by others who can judge them for themselves.

Unfortunately, your posts often cause people to reach similarly negative conclusions about you, and the kind of person you are, based on the things you yourself say. You then try to fend off their negative reactions by claiming one excuse or another, or one rationalization or another, for your remarks, or you try to put a different spin on them, or you try to change the subject, and each time you do that, you generally dig yourself in deeper, making the negative appraisal of you even stronger.
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An who is our friend firefly accusing of being insensitivity to rape victims and who is making your skin crawl due to him not denying this insensitivity?

Don't be coy, you know exactly who wmwcjr is talking about.

There was no mistaking your insensitivity, and callousness, toward the rape survivors who posted of their own experiences in the Rape thread. And there is no mistaking your continued indifference to rape survivors in general, or your negative feelings toward women in general, and you use any threads on the topic of sexual abuse as an excuse to express more of the same.









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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:40 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Some of his opinions, even though I may not agree 100% (Snowden), I can at least get where he is coming from, however there are two areas where he just looses me, the main is on topics such as this, the other was Trayvon Martin and other such cases to a lesser degree. Not that he probably cares, but anyway just saying.

I just wonder if any of these guys have ever been in vulnerable positions such this when they were young boys,
or have female relatives who have been raped or sexually molested or harassed.
That language appears to imply that I did not favor participation
in sexual activity with an adult female when I was a young boy,
which certainly was un-true.

I was very prepared to defend myself, IF such had been my choice.
I LIKED sex. Y woud I oppose it ??????? I don t understand.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Bill, Firefly is playing up the cult of the victim, something that we see a lot of. This is what powers the elite's claim that victims should not be questioned too seriously if at all about her alleged victimization..... this is what powers the feminist claim that if a woman feels like she was victimized during s sexual encounter then she was, because her feelings are all the matter. What the accused actually did, and the signals that the accused was operating off of are completely irrelevant according to the victim culture promoters.

The women at A2K who posted and spoke of their own rapes, something that is not easy to do, did not deserve to be insulted by BillRM, or to have the impact of their experiences minimized or trivialized by either one of you. This has nothing to do with "feminism" or "victim culture promoters". Those women, members of our A2K community, were all the victims of crimes , very real and serious crimes, that affected them emotionally, and that you continue to try to trivialize and bury with your BS abstractions.

You both insult very real people who have posted on these boards, not some abstract "tenants of victim culture" when you try to justify the lack of feeling shown in response to their rape experience revelations, or by callous remarks addressed to them in response to their revelations.

You two likely make a lot of people's skin crawl. That's why on topics, like this one, you wind up mainly talking to each other. I'll leave you to do that again, because I've reached my daily limit for tolerating your crap.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 26 Oct, 2014 11:59 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
So in all your years working in law you've only come across two cases that you would consider a bit dodgy.
I have no idea what dodgy means.
Those cases came to my attention long after I had retired.
I did not research them.




izzythepush wrote:
Compared to unreported rapes the malicious false rape allegations are a drop in the ocean.
Is that what COUNTS, Izzy?????
Let us assume that u have disagreements of a purely non-sexual nature
with a young lady (of ANY state of mental health) with whom u have had only 1OO% wholesome relations,
and she gets mad about the aforesaid disagreements and complains to the police alleging that u raped her.
If your lawyer tells u that: "Compared to unreported rapes the malicious false rape allegations are a drop in the ocean"
will that be of sufficient comfort n consolation to u in an English jail, awaiting trial??? Maybe u can befriend Romeo in there.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 12:03 am
I've had Hawkeye on ignore for quite a while now. With the BS exhibited on this thread, BillRM now joins him. Bye-bye.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:12 am
@Lustig Andrei,
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I've had Hawkeye on ignore for quite a while now. With the BS exhibited on this thread, BillRM now joins him. Bye-bye.


My heart is broken but may you however for whatever reason get as must peace of mind by blocking me as I have by blocking firefly.

Goodby back to you.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 03:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
izzythepush wrote:
Compared to unreported rapes the malicious false rape allegations are a drop in the ocean.
Is that what COUNTS, Izzy?????


First I question that malicious false reports of rape are all that rare and that is beside the point when it come to removing due process rights from college men even to the point of the right to face their accuser and lowing the burden of proof to more likely then not in ending their college careers on charges of sexual misdeeds. Not to mention redefining what is or is not a sexual misdeed in a manner that is not apply to the rest of the society but only to male college students.

If there are not evidence enough to bring criminal charges where the accuse have the normal due process rights and is presume innocent not guilty then falling back on some kangaroo hearing as an end run around this barrier is wrong on it face.
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