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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 06:59 pm
@firefly,
Nice, reasonable calling up short. Bet he doesn't apologize for even "mis-speaking".
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 07:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Nice, reasonable calling up short. Bet he doesn't apologize for even "mis-speaking".

I have not misspoken, firefly has said that I should see the inside of a jail cell for refusing to conform the the feminists ideas on proper consent.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 07:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I have not misspoken, firefly has said that I should see the inside of a jail cell for refusing to conform the the feminists ideas on proper consent.

I've never said that either.

Try quoting exactly what I've said, in the context of a specific post I've made, or just admit you're a liar who has to manufacture a scapegoat.

What constitutes legal consent isn't determined by "feminists"--it's determined by the state legislators who write and pass the laws and define "consent" within those laws. Now you're regarding all those mainly male legislators, in all 50 states, as "feminists" too? Laughing

You look so cute in your tin foil hat.

http://i59.tinypic.com/65bzbq.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 08:42 pm
@firefly,
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What constitutes legal consent isn't determined by "feminists"--it's determined by the state legislators who write and pass the laws and define "consent" within those laws. Now you're regarding all those mainly male legislators, in all 50 states, as "feminists" too


The problem for you is that most people know that the feds routinely bully the states on moral and "SAFETY!" matters such as this, and we also know that the feminists have been driving policy since the early 70's. So what you are left with are a lot of people who know for 100 certainty that you are shoveling the **** big time.

Did the folks at A2K used to be sorry enough to buy your flim-flam? Those days are over. SORRY!
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2014 09:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
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and we also know that the feminists have been driving policy since the early 70's. So what you are left with are a lot of people who know for 100 certainty that you are shoveling the **** big time.

No, the feminists drove sexual assault reform policies in the 70's and 80's, but not since that time, because those issues went mainstream and the objectives of feminism were met in that regard.

And there is no longer a well-organized feminist movement, with strong leaders, and a cushion of money, to command the clout and influence you imagine they exert. Feminism was considered pretty much defunct until a few years ago when Jessica Valenti managed to breath some life into it by starting an internet blog that gave feminists a place to congregate and exchange views, a blog she's since abandoned and considered a space for "younger feminists". And beyond Tweets, and a few internet columnists, you don't hear much from feminists now, at all, and this great influence you believe they exert on government doesn't in actuality exist--it's mainstream thinking now, promoted and shared by men. You're sadly very behind the times, old man.

So what you are left with are a lot of people who know for 100 certainty that you are shoveling the **** big time, while wearing a tin foil hat.

And I can't remember a time when more than 3 people at A2K ever brought your flim-flam. You've mainly been the object of ridicule when you aren't being ignored.

http://i59.tinypic.com/65bzbq.jpg
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 01:32 am
It is getting ugly out there...

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Cornwell, an Atlanta-based attorney, has been a staunch defender of his client and a steady critic of the public vilification of Winston, which he called "the worst attack on an athlete that we have ever seen in the history of amateur sports."

Cornwell said he wasn't surprised by the outcome, considering the woman changed her story seven times, including where exactly the assault happened.

"There are no winners in this and I feel sorry for this young lady," Cornwell said.


He questioned her attorneys motives throughout the process, pointing out again that the woman's former attorney asked Winston to settle for $7 million. Cornwell said she was being abused by her lawyers by having to testify to traumatic memory loss without evidence to support it.

"They're not lawyers, they're investors," Cornwell said. "I wouldn't be surprised if they tricked themselves into thinking that the return of their investment comes with the filing of a civil complaint."



http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2014/12/22/winstons-attorney-sounds/20787187/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 01:36 am
@hawkeye10,
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Jameis Winston has been cleared of violating FSU's code of conduct. Other than the inevitable civil suit and countersuit, the sexual-assault matter is now closed.

So what have we learned?

Sadly, nothing we didn't know from the start. Major B. Harding knew that, so he made the only reasonable ruling possible.

It was bound to cause a backlash because just about everybody else thinks they know the truth.


How do they know?

It's based on utter infallibility of preconceived notions. And it turned this saga into a high-profile game of character assassination with no winners.

The accuser has been trashed as a gold-digging sleaze and faced death threats for trying to bring down Mr. Heisman. It's far easier to sympathize with her, but how do know for sure Winston isn't the victim here?

"This is the worst attack on an athlete that we have ever seen in the history of amateur sports," his attorney, David Cornwell, said Monday on NBC Sports Radio.

The 1972 Israeli Olympic team might beg to differ. But there's no doubt that Winston has never enjoyed the benefit of the doubt.

Part of that is because his own doing (see: Burger King, Publix, FSU Student Union). There's a big difference, however, between being a serial knucklehead and a rapist.

It didn't help Winston that the incident occurred as "rape culture" awareness was skyrocketing on campuses. The Washington Post recently ran a column titled, "We Should Automatically Believe Rape Victims." As FSU was struggling in a game against Boston College, a San Francisco columnist tweeted, "Beat the Rapist."

A mob mentality set in. When Treon Harris was accused of sexual assault, there were calls for Florida to immediately kick him out of school. Within 48 hours, the accusations were dropped.


It's as if nobody remembered what happened to the Duke lacrosse team. Rolling Stone editors sure didn't when they green-lighted the expose on Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi fraternity.

As with those stories, Winston fit a media narrative about privilege and victimology. Even when the stories were shot full of holes, activists defended them on grounds they exposed a larger truth.

There's that word again. In quest of their version of the truth, activists are glad to dispose of a centuries-old principle of justice — the presumption of innocence. That led to the predictable fallout to Sunday's news.

"Winston Cleared of Rape Like Every Other Sports Star," was the headline at The Daily Beast website.

If you believe the fix was in, take a deep breath and think about what that entails. Harding, a former chief justice of the Florida Supreme Court, would risk his legacy to join the conspiracy to keep Winston eligible.

The fact is that despite the stumblebum police investigation, Harding still had 1,000 pages of testimony and evidence to review. And it all came down to what everyone should have admitted from Day One.

"I do not find the credibility of one story substantially stronger than that of the other," Harding wrote in his finding to Winston. "Both have their strengths and weaknesses."

Unlike snarky media tweeters or idiots issuing death threats, Harding does not pretend to have been in the bathroom with Winston and the accuser on Dec. 7, 2012.

"You and [the accuser] are the only persons with personal knowledge as to what actually happened," he wrote to Winston.

Everybody else could just fill in the blanks to fit their agendas. And after two years, the only lesson we've learned is people prefer that to the truth


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-state-seminoles/jameis-winston/os-fsu-jameis-winston-ruling-david-whitley-1223-20141222-column.html


YES!

Demand proof and a hearing on the matter where the accused has rights gets you stared at like your head is spinning around. After all all we are doing is beating on a guy, he must deserve because he has a dick, why would we talk about proof and truth?
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 02:58 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

This article you posted actually claims that Christmas is a celebration of rape (you seemed to have edited that part out).

That is very nice Bobsal, and another fine example of how the feminist narrative goes too far.


Actually, this is another fine example of how the atheist narrative goes too far.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 06:19 am
@wmwcjr,
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Actually, this is another fine example of how the atheist narrative goes too far.


Blaming atheists as a whole for some fool opinion. Why am I not too surprise?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 08:43 am
@wmwcjr,
They are both true. This author is apparently both an atheist and a feminist. She is taking both of these ideological narratives too far. I will point out that it was Bobsal, one of our feminist supporting members, who posted the link to this ridiculous article in a thread about rape (not about religion).

I have the same argument with Atheists that I do with Feminists. I agree with the basic idea, but I oppose with the ideological narratives around each of these "isms".
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 01:11 pm
@BillRM,
I wasn't blaming all atheists for a single comment. I'm aware of the fact that atheists are quite diverse in their social and political views and attitudes. Although you undoubtedly think me a fool, there are many religious people who make me cringe and not want to be associated with them. Especially the theocrats!

I was simply saying the particular comment in question was not made exclusively from a feminist mindset.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 01:16 pm
@maxdancona,
Good points! Smile You write well.

I apologize for the time I insulted you. Although I'm a guy, I get mood swings. I probably shouldn't post until my health improves.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 02:43 pm
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In the last two weeks we’ve learned a lot more about Jackie, the woman at the center of the story. In a critical scene, Rubin Erdely describes her meeting up with three friends after the alleged incident, two of whom she describes as behaving in a callow and indifferent fashion. Rubin Erdely, it turns out, never spoke to those friends, but other reporters have tracked them down and started to piece together another story. It seems that Jackie had a crush on one of those friends, who is called “Randall” in the Rolling Stone piece and is the only one who is portrayed as behaving heroically. Randall’s real name is Ryan Duffin, and in the version he tells, Jackie might have liked him so much that she went catfish, adopting the identity of another guy to make Duffin jealous and, ultimately, creating a space for Duffin to walk in and rescue her.


Sounds right.

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There’s a lot of pressure on Jackie to speak up, but it’s important to remember that she’s not the villain here

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/12/rolling_stone_investigation_why_we_still_need_to_investigate_the_magazine.html

Actually she is one of two villains here, the other is Rolling Stone. It is not shocking but it is appalling that after all the harm this bitch has done we still for the most part cant get people to call her on it. This goes to show why we cant get the state to prosecute women who lie about sexual assault....support for the abuse of men runs deep in this collective. Hell, we cant even get this author to come out and say directly what seems to be the truth, that there was no sexual assault, it was all a fabrication to get a guy she liked to pay attention to her, she has to beat around the bush because there is a 2% chance that "Jackie" actually was a victim of something other than herself. Sisters need to stand together!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 03:13 pm
The thing that I should be seeing from the President of University of Virginia but am not seeing is a statement of apology from her co signed by all of the Board of Visitors to all the males on campus with special emphasis on those who belong to frats for assuming that the fiction printed in Rolling Stone indicated that males sexual behavior is routinely abusive at the university. We need to see a promise that in the future all claims of sexual assualt will be investigated by competent investigators, and that no prejudice will be injected into the process on the part of the University. The days of starting from the assumption that MEN SUCK! are over, as of now.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 04:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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We need to see a promise that in the future all claims of sexual assualt will be investigated by competent investigators, and that no prejudice will be injected into the process on the part of the University.

That's exactly what the federal government wants from them too, and wanted from UVA long before that Rolling Stone article ever appeared. UVA has been under investigation, special investigation, for their mishandling complaints of sexual misconduct.

Even when students have been found guilty of sexual misconduct by UVA, not a single student as ever been expelled for that reason. That sort of leniency in punishment suggests that some sort of bias has been operating at UVA, which may contribute to the problem of sexual assaults on their campus.
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The thing that I should be seeing from the President of University of Virginia but am not seeing is a statement of apology from her co signed by all of the Board of Visitors to all the males on campus with special emphasis on those who belong to frats for assuming that the fiction printed in Rolling Stone indicated that males sexual behavior is routinely abusive at the university.

The President of UVA owes no such apology to the Board of Visitors, and neither she nor Rolling Stone "indicated that males sexual behavior is routinely abusive at the university"--that's just more of your emotional hysteria distorting reality, Chicken Little.

Unlike you, the President of UVA does not deny that they have a problem with sexual assault on their campus, nor does that mean it involves most men, or that most men are "routinely abusive". But, to the extent it does exist, she is committed to decreasing it, and handling complaints about it in the most effective and judicious manner, and that's exactly what she should be doing.

Who says you should be seeing anything from the UVA President? Laughing Your sense of grandiosity knows no bounds:
.:lol
Your hyperbole that the message is "MEN SUCK!" is just more of your distorted paranoid thinking and overly emotional hysteria. Try a reality check. It's rape that sucks, not men, dummy.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 04:29 pm
@firefly,
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Your hyperbole that the message is "MEN SUCK!" is just more of your distorted paranoid thinking and overly emotional hysteria. Try a reality check. It's rape that sucks, not men, dummy.
You cant get around the fact that when the U VA president read in RS a fiction about a gang rape at a university frat she assumed that it was likely true, and acted accordingly, before even beginning to do any fact checking. She started from the assumption of MEN SUCK!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 04:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It is not shocking but it is appalling that after all the harm this bitch has done we still for the most part cant get people to call her on it.


Hell there are people still trying to claimed that she is a victim of some rape that happen at some time to her and the reason she can not get the details correct is not due to her making the whole thing up but it is due to PTSD!!!!!!!!!!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 04:36 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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It is not shocking but it is appalling that after all the harm this bitch has done we still for the most part cant get people to call her on it.


Hell there are people still trying to claimed that she is a victim of some rape that happen at some time to her and the reason she can not get the details correct is not due to her making the whole thing up but it is due to PTSD!!!!!!!!!!


It has to be a mans or mens fault somehow you know.

I say fine, if that is the way it has to be I am game......but lets be clear, if the men are always at fault then women are the property of men. If I am going to be blamed for everything that women do wrong then I demand property rights.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 05:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You cant get around the fact that when the U VA president read in RS a fiction about a gang rape at a university frat she assumed that it was likely true, and acted accordingly, before even beginning to do any fact checking. She started from the assumption of MEN SUCK!

Now you're clairvoyant? You know what she assumed and thought? You just know her thinking is anti-male? You're citing things as "fact" that are no more than products of your imagination.

Try considering the fact that she's a university President, with considerably more knowledge of the problem of sexual assault on her particular campus than you have. She also knows how much of that problem may, or may not, involve fraternities or fraternity members on her campus. My guess would be that, when she read the Rolling Stone article, some of it apparently resonated with things she already knew about the sexual assault problem on her campus--a campus which was already under special investigation for mishandling complaints of sexual misconduct--and she responded accordingly, given what she already knew about the problems on her campus.

You overlook the obvious supposition that the UVA President, and all university Presidents, may take the issue of sexual assault on their campuses very seriously, and may be sincerely committed to decreasing such misconduct in an effort to protect the safety and welfare of all students on their campuses.

In that regard, the Rolling Stone flawed article was little more than unfortunate bad publicity for her school, to the extent it was inaccurate, and we don't know how much of it was inaccurate, since the article included more than just Jackie's story. But it's not likely that anything in the RS article significantly affected or influenced anything this President already knew about her school, or it's sexual assault problems, or how she chose to address them in the wake of that article.

The RS article's significance pales in comparison to the fact that the UVA President was confronted with the off-campus murder of a student this year, after the student was abducted "with intent to defile" her--a brutal and chilling crime which linked back to the entire issue of campus sexual assaults. Jesse Matthew, the only suspect in that murder, had previously attended two colleges in Virginia, and had been accused of sexual misconduct at both of them, and had simply been allowed to transfer out of the first, and drop out of the second, before these incidents were even investigated. And, before he killed Hannah Graham this year, Matthew is the prime suspect in the previous murder of another student, and the rape of another woman.

How differently things might have turned out if Matthews had been stopped when his predatory tendencies first became evident when he was accused of sexual misconduct at those two schools. That thought alone should compel the UVA President, and every other university President, to view all campus sexual assaults as very serious matters, that must be fully investigated, and appropriately addressed and punished, because the price for sweeping them under the rug, or treating them lightly, can turn out to be quite high, as was the case with Matthews. And that reality matters a lot more than a discredited RS magazine article.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2014 06:44 pm
@firefly,
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Now you're clairvoyant? You know what she assumed and thought?
It was clear when she put all frats on suspension for alleged sex abuse offenses immediately after the RS fiction was released.

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Try considering the fact that she's a university President, with considerably more knowledge of the problem of sexual assault on her particular campus than you have.
I dont think anyone knows for sure what the sexual assault situation is on university campuses, to include the presidents. We dont have many reports of crimes, and yet we have victim culture advocates producing student questionnaires that they use to claim that 1/5 women suffers sexual trespass. More study is needed, this time by impartial scientists, if any can be found.

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You overlook the obvious supposition that the UVA President, and all university Presidents, may take the issue of sexual assault on their campuses very seriously, and may be sincerely committed to decreasing such misconduct in an effort to protect the safety and welfare of all students on their campuses.
They also must take all assaults on the university seriously, especially unfounded accusations. No matter how you slice it this woman was negligent in her duties. If University Presidents did not learn that it is a mistake to cave into political pressure during the sixties student revolts then there is no hope for them, nor for any chance that the University will rise from the ashes. The American University these days are on average pretty atrocious.

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The RS article's significance pales in comparison to the fact that the UVA President was confronted with the off-campus murder of a student this year, after the student was abducted "with intent to defile" her--a brutal and chilling crime which linked back to the entire issue of campus sexual assaults
Ya, I have noticed this new feminist argument "those who abuse women are likely future killers so we must beat the **** out of sexual abusers!". Show me statistics in good quality scientific studies, with several studies showing roughly the same result, if you want me to take that argument seriously.
 

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