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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:43 pm
I live in Charlottesville and have a degree from UVA.
I have never been a fan of social fraternities. They are probably richly deserving of their reputation for bad behavior.
UVA is obviously reeling after the Rolling Stone article about "Jackie." There is little joy about the retraction of the story today.
What upsets me is that the magazine allowed this to be published. "Jackie" probably fabricated many details but, more damning, the author had an agenda that she wanted to push and RS let her get away with it.
The net result will be a setback for the effort to make campuses safer. This case of fraud will rank right up there with the similar case involving the Duke lacrosse players.
And what about "Drew," the alleged ringleader. His name has not been publicly reported.
He has graduated and is still in town. Current UVA students know who he is.
I guess he will be considered by some to be collateral damage, not deserving of any apology from RS or the writer of the article.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 08:52 pm
@realjohnboy,
What upset me is that the university rolled over, when even the beginning stages of a real investigation would have suggested they take a wait and see approach ("We have a huge problem and we need to deal with it"...oh ya, says who, and where is the proof?) Just goes to show that all we need to do to tar men now, to jump to the conclusion that they are guilty, is to accuse them of offending a woman sexually.

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The net result will be a setback for the effort to make campuses safer.


The result should be to question the feminists assertions that the campuses are not safe, especially considering that the crimes stats show that they are very safe.

I am however not optimistic that truth will win out over fantasy.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 09:23 pm
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:

Are you aware that hawkeye10 and BillRM have mocked actual rape victims who are members of this forum? Yet not a peep from you! This is the moral equivalent of saying that David Duke represents a legitimate point of view and, as such, should be included in a debate on affirmative action. If you defend lowlife, that makes you lowlife!


Quite the contrary WM. No I am not aware of what you are talking about, and I would certainly strongly object to anyone mocking rape victims.

And you present a false equivalency. What I am doing is the moral equivalent of criticizing the Black Panthers. This does not make me a fan of David Duke.

Why the need for personal attacks from supporters of feminism?

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 09:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The result should be to question the feminists assertions that the campuses are not safe, especially considering that the crimes stats show that they are very safe.


Well if a woman student is an alcoholics and go to every party she can find by herself and get completely bomb at every one of them she could raised her chances of getting rape to somewhere near what the feminists are claiming.

However the idea that the majority of female colleges students are at any great risk of being crime victims less alone rape victims is a feminist fantasy back only by phony surveys done by the feminists.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 10:23 pm
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In the case, of Erdely’s piece, however, there’s ample evidence of poisonous biases that landed Rolling Stone in what should be an existential crisis. It starts with this business about choosing just the “right” school for the story. What is that all about? In his first, important piece on this story, the Washington Post’s Paul Farhi described the author’s thought process:

So, for six weeks starting in June, Erdely interviewed students from across the country. She talked to people at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and her alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania. None of those schools felt quite right. But one did: the University of Virginia, a public school, Southern and genteel, brimming with what Erdely calls “super-smart kids” and steeped in the legacy of its founder, Thomas Jefferson.

A perfect place, in other words, to set a story about a gang rape.

Observe how Erdely responded to a question about the accused parties in Jackie’s alleged gang rape. In that Slate podcast, when asked who these people were, she responded, “I don’t want to say much about them as individuals but I’ll just say that this particular fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi — it’s really emblematic in a lot of ways of sort of like elitist fraternity culture. It’s considered to be a kind of top-tier fraternity at University of Virginia…It’s considered to be a really high-ranking fraternity, in part because they’re just so incredibly wealthy. Their alumni are very influential, you know, they’re on Wall Street, they’re in politics.”

The next time Erdely writes a big story, she’ll have to do a better job of camouflaging her proclivity to stereotype. Here, she refuses to evaluate the alleged gang rapists as individuals, instead opting to fold them into the caricature of the “elitist fraternity culture,” and all its delicious implications. Of course, one of the reasons she didn’t describe the accused is that she never reached out to them.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2014/12/05/rolling-stones-disastrous-u-va-story-a-case-of-real-media-bias/

I think I read as well that the muckraker never made an effort to get the alleged perps side of the story, which would be another proof that this was not journalism.

The only thing better than bashing men in general is bashing white men from wealthy families. My bet is that she thought she had found her mark. It would make a great story. Whether it was true or not she did not give a ****.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 10:42 pm
The Rolling Stone has succeeded in making their publication a smear rag. They have turned themselves into the Fox News of printed news. I think it's time for Rupert Murdock to be deported, and The Rolling Stone needs to change it's name to "we sold out years ago". This whole mess was a complete cock-up.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 11:09 pm
@glitterbag,
True enough, but we are in the drip, drip, drip, stage that proceeds the need to admit that the feminist story that women rarely lie about sexual assault is a fabrication. It is unjust to punish a man based only upon the say so of one woman when humans lie so often. The entire judicial framework around sexual assault, the new one built by the feminists primarily mid seventies onward, is ratty.

Those who parrot the feminist script without validating their claims do so at their own risk.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 11:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
You are a complete shithead. One asshole prints a fake story, and presto, no woman has ever ever ever been raped. You stink of desperation, go stick a ball gag in your mouth and duct tape your fingers to the top of your pointy head.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 11:26 pm
@glitterbag,
One woman lies, gets a local posse to launch a "public awareness" campaign on her lies behalf, which gets the RS to publish the fiction as fact, which get the University to announce " we have a serious problem and we need to deal with it"......what is next, are we going to stick a needle in the arm of the accused before we bother to separate fact from fiction?

THis is a direct result of the long push from feminists to get everyone to not question the victim story that those who call themselves victims tell. This needs to end. Now.

And Bill is correct, women who lie about sexual assault need to face serious consequences. We must discourage the practice.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2014 11:28 pm
@glitterbag,
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You are a complete shithead
I dont care, all I care about is whether I am aligned with the Universe or not, whether I am right or wrong.

If you want to get to me then show me that I am wrong, that would bother me.

From what I have seen so far I am more educated than you, and a lot more aware of my surroundings, but if you want to take me on then lets go. Firefly is about done for I think, I need someone else to toy with.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 12:35 am
@glitterbag,
OCCUM BILL was right! Hawkeye10 and BillRM should have been banned. Permanently. Their sick mentalities are repellent. Their sickness really has nothing to do with politics. It's of a far more serious nature. It's degeneracy. I dare call it evil.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 12:48 am
@wmwcjr,
If IdiotBill had gotten his way this thread would not exist. He was primarly out to get rid of ideas that he did not approve of.

I demand that all ideas get their chance in the arena of ideas, that the ideas be allowed to fight it out and try to get the support of the crowd.

I also take note of those who try to stop the truth from comming out, and try to figure out what is in it for them if we stay stupid.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 01:41 am
@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:
OCCUM BILL was right! Hawkeye10 and BillRM should have been banned. Permanently. Their sick mentalities are repellent. Their sickness really has nothing to do with politics. It's of a far more serious nature. It's degeneracy. I dare call it evil.

Come on now. All they are doing is suggesting that men should have rights too.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 02:00 am
@oralloy,
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All they are doing is suggesting that men should have rights too.

That is NOT ok.

And I am demanding not suggesting. Equal rights, imagine that.

Scandalous!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:05 am
@glitterbag,
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You are a complete shithead. One asshole prints a fake story, and presto, no woman has ever ever ever been raped.


Oh where oh where did Hawkeye said anything of a kind????????????
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 04:12 am
@wmwcjr,
Sure we are indeed sick as anyone who promote the very idea that women will lied roughly as often as men and even women who are claiming the mantle of rape victims should have their stories match to the facts before being given full credit, should be ban from this website or even the internet for that matter.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:09 am
@oralloy,
Baloney! You seem to be completely ignorant of their record. They have ridiculed and mocked members of this very forum who are actual rape victims. That doesn't bother you? (Actually, they've made quite a few disturbing comments about other subjects such as their own sexual proclivities, child porn, and lowering the age of consent to 12.) Do some research. Don't take my word for it. Ask Setanta and other members by means of PM why they reject them. I challenge you to take the time to do that. If you're intellectually honest, you will.

To say that hawkeye and BillRM only want rights for men is about as wrong-headed and ludicrous as saying that David Duke only wants rights for whites.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:18 am
@wmwcjr,
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To say that hawkeye and BillRM only want rights for men is about as ludicrous as saying that David Duke only wants rights for whites.


You do not lightly give up on your Ad hominem arguments/attacks it would seems.

How sad for you that you do not think that your positions have any hope of holding up otherwise.
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nononono
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:22 am
@wmwcjr,
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They have ridiculed and mocked members of this very forum who are actual rape victims.


Give examples. Otherwise shut the **** up.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 05:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Yeah. Do something about false accusations, and not a word on stopping rape. Your priorities are telling.
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