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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 01:49 am
@Miller,
"The killing has also ignited emotions in the transgender community in the Philippines, who are calling the death of Jennifer Laude, who was found dead with her head in a toilet bowl, a hate crime".

Why is this now called a "hate crime". There's no evidence that the Marine hated transgendered females. If there was hate involved in this crime, than it has to be the hatred of a man, who was deceived by the sex of the prostitute and his inability to detect this deception. Instead of a hatred for the prostitute, the Marine hated himself for allowing himself to be "fooled" by the prostitute.

It isn't a hate crime. It could be merely a case of temporary insanity.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 01:52 am
@Miller,
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And,by the way, the comments went far beyond the saying of "hi".
Please point me to a listing of the 100 comments. Near as I can tell no one has bothered to publish this information, which makes the claim of over 100 harassing comments unsubstantiated. They have put out a short clip, with some of the comments being possible harassing.

Quote:
What is street harassment? Street harassment is a form of sexual harassment that takes place in public spaces. It exists on a spectrum including “catcalling” or verbal harassment, stalking, groping, public masturbation, and assault. At its core is a power dynamic that constantly reminds historically subordinated groups (women and LGBTQ folks, for example) of their vulnerability to assault in public spaces. Further, it reinforces the ubiquitous sexual objectification of these groups in everyday life. Street harassment can be sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, ableist, sizeist and/or classist. It is an expression of the interlocking and overlapping oppressions we face and it functions as a means to silence our voices and “keep us in our place.” At Hollaback!, we believe that what specifically counts as street harassment is determined by those who experience it. If you’ve experienced street harassment, we’ve got your back! - See more at: http://www.ihollaback.org/blog/2014/10/27/new-street-harassment-psa/#sthash.RyLoK7yQ.dpuf


Based upon the clip I saw and reporting it seems the word oppression is a lot like the term sexual assault , so broad in definition to be nearly meaningless.

Quote:
At Hollaback!, we believe that what specifically counts as street harassment is determined by those who experience it.

great, so when I get the ability to read minds and I also decide that everyone elses will counts more than mine I will come back for instructions on how to be a good male citizen
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 01:54 am
@Miller,
Quote:
"The killing has also ignited emotions in the transgender community in the Philippines, who are calling the death of Jennifer Laude, who was found dead with her head in a toilet bowl, a hate crime".
Ya, the laws are hilarious. Apparently cold blooded killing is more acceptable.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 02:02 am
@Miller,
http://nypost.com/2014/10/28/woman-harassed-108-times-in-10-hours-on-nyc-streets/
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 02:07 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

I will come back for instructions on how to be a good male citizen


Two things for you to do:
1.Keep your mouth shut.
2.Keep your hands to yourself.

(Also masturbation in public is a No-No!)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 02:10 am
@Miller,
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1.Keep your mouth shut


Nope

http://www.essex1.com/pages/paul/new-golden-rule-300.gif

And I dont want to be ignored, and I want the work I do to look good to be recognized.

request denied.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 02:27 am
Getting back to MIT they have this nifty line in their rulebook

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The use of intimidation, coercion, threats, force, or violence negates any consent obtained.

http://studentlife.mit.edu/mindandhandbook/policies/sexual-misconduct

More clearly than most admitting that the bosses are removing wholesale our freedom to consent. The bosses demand the right to decide, and they are also clearly trying to sign up my peers to be snitches to the bosses so that I and my sex partners can be kept in line as we see from the White House created Its On Us campaign.

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President Obama Launches the "It's On Us" Campaign to End Sexual Assault on Campus

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/09/19/president-obama-launches-its-us-campaign-end-sexual-assault-campus

When the WH launches it is certainly a state program, and I dont care what double speak they use to try to deny it.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 03:26 am
@hawkeye10,
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More clearly than most admitting that the bosses are removing wholesale our freedom to consent.

Since when does "consent" obtained by "the use of intimidation, coercion, threats, force, or violence" represent "freedom to consent"? Or represent any valid meaning of the concept of "consent"?

Where is the "freedom" for the person subjected to "the use of intimidation, coercion, threats, force, or violence" in order to obtain their "consent"?

Of course, it really should go without saying that, the use of intimidation, coercion, threats, force, or violence, should negate any consent obtained under those conditions.

If someone is beaten into submission, or is threatened with serious harm, if they don't allow certain sexual contacts, would you consider that "freedom to consent"?

Is this your idea of "consent"?
http://jmuwomensstudentcaucus.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/rape.jpg
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The bosses demand the right to decide, and they are also clearly trying to sign up my peers to be snitches to the bosses so that I and my sex partners can be kept in line

Your "peers"--now you think you are a college student? The White House initiative, It's On Us, is directed at campuses, at college students.

And encouraging bystander intervention on campuses is a way to have students interrupt a possibly unsafe situation, involving someone who is vulnerable, in order to prevent harm to that individual. If you think this is so that, "I and my sex partners can be kept in line," you really are paranoid and delusional. Your anxiety over possible potential threats to your BDSM lifestyle really distorts your perception of this topic, particularly as it pertains to the issue of campus sexual assaults.

The Vanderbilt rape case, which involves the sexual assault of an unconscious female undergraduate, by several members of that school's football team, goes to trial next week.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bobbyallyn/an-ugly-rape-case-involving-vanderbilts-football-team-could

Bystander intervention in that particular situation, had it occurred, could have prevented, or interrupted, the sexual assault that took place. That's the point of encouraging it, and training students to be able to do it.

Your thinking, and how you interpret things, is seriously warped.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 03:35 am
@Miller,
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he men in the video verbally abused this woman 100 times in 10 hours as she walked down a NYCity street. And,by the way, the comments went far beyond the saying of "hi". The reported, vulgar behavior is typical of the NYmale


An we should of course take that video at face value and of course it would never to a set up.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 03:52 am
@hawkeye10,
And yours is that of an illiterate chimp.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 03:52 am
@Miller,
My a 19 years old thinking he have gotten lucky with a beautiful woman find out otherwise in a hotel room and went crazy and killed the phony woman.

At 66 years old I can see myself still knocking such a person into next Tuesday as Danny Donaduce once did if surely not drowning him in a toilet as the young marine did. That is indeed a large overreaction but I can feel for the young man as must or more then the drown transvestite.

As far as it being a hate crime as far as I know the young marine was not going around looking for a transvestite to killed as that would be a hate crime not a killing from outrage of being trick in such a manner.

As I said it is sad for both young men with one dead and the other life ruin.





OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 04:25 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
My a 19 years old thinking he have gotten lucky with a beautiful woman
find out otherwise in a hotel room and went crazy and killed the phony woman.

At 66 years old I can see myself still knocking such a person into next Tuesday as Danny Donaduce once did
if surely not drowning him in a toilet as the young marine did.
With what GOAL, Bill??
Will breaking his bones or hurting his feelings help him in some way??
Will that improve U ?
WHAT is the purpose of that effort ??

Remember: if he lives thru that ordeal,
he will probably sue u,
after he complains to the police.

Years ago, I had a real woman, my former girlfriend, Marilyn,
try to provoke me to personal violence against her.
She coud have sued me if I had fallen for that; she needed the money.
I just laffed it off n walked away.
A few years later, I joked about it with her mom.
We r humen, not animals. It behooves us to control our emotions.




BillRM wrote:
That is indeed a large overreaction but I can feel for the young man as must or more then the drown transvestite.

As far as it being a hate crime as far as I know the young marine was not going around looking for a transvestite to kill
as that would be a hate crime not a killing from outrage of being trick in such a manner.

As I said it is sad for both young men with one dead and the other life ruin.
That is a 1OO% relinquishing of reason
in favor of passion
. That was not an appropriate occasion for violence.
The Marine shud have known that if he beat the hell out of the guy
or murdered him in the bowl, the victim woud not be better off
and the Marine woud not be better off; no one wins. Its a lose-lose scenario.

If it had been me, I 'd just have walked away,
peacefully without hurting anyone. I woud not even use strong words; just go.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 04:40 am

Sometimes I wish that we were less ad hominem abusive n more polite to @ other.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 05:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David David the young transvestite have every right to live his life in peace what he did not have a right to do is to trick anyone else into entering a sexual relationship with him under false colors.

I would have been outrageous if I had been trick in such a manner and the young marine surely have a right of be outrageous also.

Yes indeed the marine have zero rights to killed the man by drowning him in a toilet bowl of all things but his was not done in cold blood but driven by an outrageous he have every damn right in the world to feel.

As I stated the whole thing is sad as two young men lives was lost in a moment of over reaction one by an unpleasant death and the other by being behind bars for decades of his life.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 06:24 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Yes indeed the marine have zero rights to killed the man by drowning him in a toilet bowl of all things but his was not done in cold blood but driven by an outrageous he have every damn right in the world to feel.


So killing a TV you're initially attracted to but upset to find the meat and 2 veg is understandable, and driven by outrage, but killing a paedophile who just threatened to rape your sister isn't?

The more you disclose about yourself, the uglier you become.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 06:32 am
@firefly,
An alarming development, and clear evidence why the law needs tightening up.

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Child sexual exploitation has become a "social norm" within some areas of Greater Manchester, according to the author of a report ordered after the Rochdale grooming case.

It said girls in uniform were regularly stopped by men outside schools.

Inquiry chairwoman Ann Coffey MP said the "prevailing public attitude" blamed children, leading to 1,000 convictions from 13,000 cases over six years.

Home Secretary Theresa May has described the report as "alarming".

Ms Coffey has called for exploitation to be "declared a public health priority".

In her report - Real Voices - Ms Coffey said explicit music videos, sexting and selfies could be "fuelling the increased sexualisation of children".


The "normalisation of quasi-pornographic images... has given rise to new social norms and changed expectations of sexual entitlement," she said.

"We need to get across the key message that whatever young people wear and however sexualised they appear, they are still children and need our protection."

During the inquiry, Stockport MP Ms Coffey spoke to young people who had been approached by men.

One told her: "I said: 'Can you not see I am a little girl? I am in my uniform'."

Ms Coffey said: "It is an everyday occurrence for [some young girls], something they find deeply upsetting, that older men are approaching them on the street inviting them into cars and in some instances touching them."

The girls told her: "Well it happens so often, so many men, what can the police do?"

"That indicates they are living in an environment where it is felt to be ok to go and touch, and harass, and pester girls in uniforms," added Ms Coffey. "That is what I mean by it being a new social norm.

"It completely horrified me, so unexpected."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29803799
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 07:54 am
@izzythepush,
This might be an extreme suggestion, but before the laws might better address the situation, perhaps it ought to be mandatory all the girls have to have a parent or guardian pick them up or ride the bus? If I lived in an urban city, I would not have let my daughters or granddaughters now walk home from school. We used to when I lived for a time in Evansville Indiana, but it seems like times are different now.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 07:58 am
@firefly,
As just an aside, I have refused to engage this conversation with these guys, it is just too disgusting. I admire your stamina.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 08:04 am
@revelette2,
This thread is beginning to creep me out.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2014 08:23 am
@revelette2,
In a lot of households most parents work, and buses don't take you directly home. We need a bigger visible police presence during school leaving times, and naming and shaming those harassers wouldn't hurt.

My daughter, (who is in her early 20s) recently got an email from a 40 year old girl who had been sent naked photos by a middle aged man, and was too scared to know what to do.

My daughter managed to track him down on facebook, checked it was him, (he had tattoos) contacted child protection services in his country, put a warning out on facebook and tumblr, sent an email to his fiancé (with genitals blurred out) and phoned his place of work. The head of human resources said he would contact the local police, and the offender would probably lose his job. Firms don't like to be associated with such people, it's bad for business.

He's going to think twice about doing that again.

 

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