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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 06:16 am
@bobsal u1553115,
And how many boys are victims or rape or attempted rape during their freshman year? Did the study look at that?

No. Why? What's the hidden assumption here?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 07:01 am
@Olivier5,
Why don't you look at that? Were you raped as a freshman?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 07:59 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I don;t even know what a freshman is.

My question was: why is that issue not researched? Why the bias?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 08:45 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I don;t even know what a freshman is.

My question was: why is that issue not researched? Why the bias?


A freshman is what we call a first year undergrad. Im sure there are studies regarding the number of males raped on campus, Maybe you can start another discussion on that. Do a little research and present the stats.

As far as bias, this study was not intended to cover all sexual assaults and crime. I've often wondered how often necrophilia occurs on campus, i suppose I'll have to wait on the research.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 09:10 am
@glitterbag,
I think Ollie's being deliberately obtuse. We don't use the term freshman over here, they're called freshers, but it's pretty clear what freshman means.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 09:37 am
@izzythepush,
Yeah, its kind of his pattern. I was mocking his indignation. I hope he missed my intent, he's tedious in conversation.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 09:37 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Im sure there are studies regarding the number of males raped on campus


Males, as of yet, had not been taught that if they get drunk of their own free will and later regret having sex in that state they can consider themselves victims so the numbers for that reason alone should be tiny.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 09:46 am
@BillRM,
I don't really care how the numbers come out in the end. It's a matter of principle. I don't like gender biases, especially hidden, non-explicit ones.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 09:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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Were you raped as a freshman?

Depends what you call rape. If it includes being abused of while drunk, I was.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 10:01 am
Feminists want us to define these ugly sexual encounters as rape. Don’t let them.

We need to stop prosecuting bad behavior as rape

ENDING:
Quote:
It is time to rethink this crusade, which criminalizes too much sex, thereby trivializing actual sexual violence. Anti-rape efforts should focus on criminal conduct and law enforcement responses. In college communities, young people who feel wronged in sexual situations that stem from misunderstanding, pressure, or insensitivity could be offered support without being treated as “rape survivors;” remedies might include mediation or joint counseling, clearly inappropriate in cases of sexual assault. Sexual ethics based on honesty, respect and communication can be discussed without turning every lapse into a crime.

The quest for perfect consent is profoundly utopian. Like all such quests that ignore human realities, it points the way to dystopian nightmare.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/20/feminists-want-us-to-define-these-ugly-sexual-encounters-as-rape-dont-let-them/?hpid=z11

Great piece which largely tracks my current views

another taste:
Quote:
Consent for bad reasons is still consent; despicable behavior is not always criminal. (Getting guilt-tripped into giving money to a freeloading friend is not robbery.)
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 10:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Columbia student and performance artist Emma Sulkowicz added one more chapter to her now internationally famous piece “Carry That Weight” when she and a group of four friends lugged a mattress across the stage during Columbia’s commencement on Tuesday.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/05/20/emma_sulkowicz_ends_her_performance_piece_carry_that_weight_carries_a_mattress.html

Columbia, having allowed this political protest to take place at commencement, now needs to let all political protests take place at commencement. We are all equal with our rights to speak.

Of course this should not have been allowed. It goes to show how biased and discriminatory our universities have become...they are but a shadow of what used to exist in America.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 10:59 am
@hawkeye10,
Live and let live, Hawk. Me think people should be allowed to carry their mattresses around if they want to, unless there's some negative consequence.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 11:11 am
@hawkeye10,

Great piece indeed, very honest and insightful.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 01:45 pm
Quote:
Male Victims Of Campus Sexual Assault Speak Out
‘We're Up Against A System That's Not Designed To Help Us'

[...] For all the focus on campus sexual assault in recent years, male victims have been frequently absent from the news coverage, except for the most tragic cases, like that of Trey Malone, an Amherst College student who committed suicide after his assault.

One study shows rape victims are 13 times more likely than non-crime victims to have attempted suicide. Jennifer Marsh, vice president of victims services at Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network, the largest anti-sexual-assault organization in the nation, said both men and women who survive sexual assault face similar psychological effects -- but there are some differences. “Male survivors who are suicidal tend to use more lethal means,” Marsh said.

Studies show that one in five women has been the victim of attempted or completed rape in her lifetime, and that approximately 50 percent of transgender people experience sexual violence at some point in their lifetimes. But statistics vary on the incidence of sexual assault against men. According to a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, of 5,000 college students at over 130 colleges, one in 25 men answered "yes" to the question "In your lifetime have you been forced to submit to sexual intercourse against your will?" Other organizations, such as 1in6, an advocacy group for male survivors, put the estimate much higher, at one in six males before the age of 18.

Steve LaPore, founder and director of 1in6, believes male sexual assaults are underreported because the issue is still taboo. While women have “really moved the ball forward,” resulting in a heightened awareness about sexual assault against women and children, it’s an awareness that doesn’t include men as victims, he said.

"We tell little boys and men to pull themselves up by their bootstraps."

“Culturally we still don’t want to see men as vulnerable or hurt,” LaPore explained. “We tell little boys and men to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.” Because of the stigma, he said, there are fewer resources available for male victims.

LaPore was not surprised by the fact that Andrew’s assailant initially received a lighter punishment. “In many cases we find that it’s more difficult for men to be believed, or to take their case seriously,” he said. “I think we’ve done a pretty good job of seeing men’s roles as bystanders and preventers, but we don’t recognize men who are survivors of sexual assault and abuse.”

Clayton Bullock, psychiatrist and co-author of Male Victims of Sexual Assault: Phenomenology, Psychology, Physiology, found that male victims are also less likely to come forward or be taken seriously because of their physiological response to assault.[...]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/27/male-victims-sexual-assault_n_6535730.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 06:30 pm
@Olivier5,
Seriously. You think men are raped in anywhere the numbers women are??? There are figure and research that show that men are raped in significantly fewer numbers.

Have you looked up figures for this?

I think its just an attempt to turn the discussion away from an uncomfortable truth for some of you guys.

I am sorry you were assaulted. Its no joke. Do you mind my asking if your assailant was male?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 06:31 pm
@glitterbag,
I don't think he'll get that!
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 06:46 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I don't think he will either.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2015 06:51 pm
Stanford University fraternity loses housing indefinitely
Source: Palo Alto Weekly

Stanford University's Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity has lost its house indefinitely after a university investigation found that its members engaged in acts of intimidation and retaliation, including deterring a female student from reporting a potential Title IX concern involving the fraternity.

Sigma Alpha Epsilon (SAE), whose housing privileges were suspended earlier this year following a sexual harassment investigation, will now be an unhoused fraternity, the university announced Wednesday.

An investigation conducted this spring uncovered two incidents of intimidation and retaliation that occurred within the fraternity in recent months, both relating to concerns about federal gender equity law Title IX, the university said. One incident involved intimidation and retaliatory conduct, including acts of cyberbullying directed at another student based on a false belief that the student had reported Title IX concerns about SAE, according to the university.

The investigation also found that SAE members held social events at the Campus Drive house with non-members and had alcohol in common areas of the house on several occasions in recent months. This violated sanctions the university handed down this spring following a previous investigation that found the fraternity had created a hostile environment for female students at a May 2014 event in violation of Title IX and university policy.

Read more: http://paloaltoonline.com/news/2015/05/20/stanford-university-fraternity-loses-housing-indefinitely


Previously on DU (March 2015):

"The Ugly, Racist, Deadly History of Sigma Alpha Epsilon"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118713156

University of Oklahoma Fraternity Closed After Video of Racist Chant
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026336169
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2015 03:05 am
@Olivier5,
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Me think people should be allowed to carry their mattresses around if they want to, unless there's some negative consequence.


How about harassment of another student who had been cleared of any wrong doing let alone criminal behaviors?

Even by the low low standard of college hearings that have a more likely then not standard had the man cleared of wrong doings.

She should had been kicked out of the University for harassment long long before that point, as any male would have been for such or similar behaviors.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2015 03:36 am
Note men seems to be assumed to be guilty of wrong doings unless proven innocent.

At the direct requested of my new partner I just went with her to a doctor appointment and found the female doctor taking very very careful note of the body language between us all during the interview.

As we are still at the first stages of our relationship, and we both was relaxed and happy with each other, I can not see how she could have spotted anything to called for such an inspection other then I am a male that happen to be older then my partner.

In any case, at the end of the interview my partner had not brought up some issues with the good doctor so I leaned over and whisper into her ear a reminder to do so.

The doctor then had a fit and demanded to know what I had whisper into the lady ear.

Oh, the doctor also then asked her if she have any stresses in her home and or living conditions all the while giving me suspicion looks.

Over the years, I been to one hell of a lot of doctors appointments with the women in my life but this is the first time I ran into anything like this.

Footnote while my love is younger then I she still happen to be a full adult in her early 30s.

Men are assumed to be guilty of something if there is any elements at all that is not common it would seems.





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