The 'SOUL'. What is it?

@Frank Apisa

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The fact that I acknowledge that I do not know if there is a god...is my consideration and comment about the REALITY. The fact that some other people do not acknowledge that they do not know if there is a god...is their consideration and comment about the REALITY.'

If there are no gods...then the REALITY is that there are no gods no matter what I or anyone else thinks or acknowledges...and if there is a GOD (or are gods)...then the REALITY is that there is a GOD no matter what anyone thinks or acknowledges, ci.

We may have different notions of the REALITY; different considerations about the REALITY...and that is fine. But whatever IS...IS. And whatever IS...IS THE REALITY...no matter what any of us think about it. (Unless, of course, the REALITY is that we all have separate realities. But there is no way I can think of that anyone can know that.)

Is the argument here that REALITY is subjected to the individual criteria?

Hello?

This is why is so important to discriminate the two different kind of "realities": Physical reality and the rest of realities (dreams, imaginations, thoughts, etc.).

An apple is the same reality for any man on earth. It can be called with different names, but it is real, can be tasted, can be seen, etc. and its characteristics are recognized by all as the same.

I am, therefore I think.

You can hate it or reject it as much as you want, but before you existing objectively, for you there is not any reality.

The existence of a god is not debated as something subjective, because thoughts are subjective and they do exist as such.

The common argument about the existence of a god is in the objective world. Here is when if you don't have facts to show, then you can't say that a god exist.

And is in this area -the subjective- where the beliefs differ between the ones who believe in a god.

For the rest, there is no god until is not shown physically.

Yes, David. I, the guilt-ridden individual, and the psychopath, with his deficient or lack of conscience, may both be aware (conscious).

I am sure you have a point to make.

I hope some day you make it.

@ Frank Apisa

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I am sure you have a point to make.

I hope some day you make it.

I'm sure I do have a point to make.

Sadly for you, you don't have any.

InfraBlue wrote:

That's the criteria of the discussion.

That post shows poor grammar, i.e., poor reasoning.
It shud be either: that is the criterion . . .
or
those r the criteria . . .

Good reasoning got us to the top of the food chain
and to the Moon. Let 's be loyal to accurate logic.

David

So to be clear, reality and REALITY have no bearing in these questions?

So, these dozens of posts of yours about reality, REALITY, experience, considerations and other things in regard to your assertions about beliefs and guesses were for naught?

I understand you, but not Frank. As you have stated, his ideas about guesses and reality are contradictions.

That he's hung up on 1) prove there is a god, or 2) prove there is no god in not logical.

He calls them guesses.

If they are guesses, isn't it funny that the majority on this planet believes in one god or another? THOSE ARE THE FACTS AND THE REALITY. That's the facts proven by those who believe.

It's not about proving to Frank one or the other, since it's their perception and their reality. Frank is free to believe anything he wishes. To say most human's reality are only guesses is not logical, because that's the human condition. What we believe as individuals is what we believe. No one has to prove to another - except to Frank - prove there is a god or prove their is no god. Those questions are not necessary,
and not logical.

There are churches, cathedrals and temples all around the world to prove him wrong.

I've already given you my answer.

InfraBlue wrote:

I've already given you my answer.

No...you have not.

You are still playing the game.

I don't blame you, though. The words, "I agree with you, Frank" must be very hard for you to type.

Frank Apisa wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

I've already given you my answer.

No...you have not.

You are still playing the game.

I don't blame you, though. The words, "I agree with you, Frank" must be very hard for you to type.

I don't agree with you.

The statements, "I believe there are no gods," and "I believe there is a god" aren't blind guesses because they are based on experience.