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California adopts 'yes means yes' sexual assault rule

 
 
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:41 am
@Setanta,
Like I said "White Knight" please spare me your MANGINA tirade
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:47 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I see nothing here which addresses the issue of keeping it in your pants until you're in a safe situation. (emphasis added)


This is what i was saying. Now do me a favor and keep your idiotic straw man accusations to yourself. You're far too worked up emotionally over your polemical stance to discuss this reasonably.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:49 am
@Buttermilk,
Then don't f*cking talk about me you whiny little baby. "I can't go dip my wick whenever i want to . . . wah wah wah." Somebody call the Whaaaaambulance.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 03:53 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
You know when you see someone and think,
"wow, they're in their own world." Well that world is la la land.
Wow, that air-headed cheerleader seems like she's in la la land.
She doesn't know what in the world is going on.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=la%20la%20land
This refers to the relatively ignorant populace of Los Angeles !?
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 04:09 am
@Setanta,
Sure thing White Knight
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 05:04 am
@Buttermilk,
There's a huge difference between drunken fumbling and shagging someone who's completely insensible.

It's something else entirely to stereotype all women who've been raped after consuming alcohol as making up malicious allegations just because they did something they regretted. In reality most women who get raped after drinking don't report it because they're scared of not being taken seriously and been labelled a slut.
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FBM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 07:01 am
I'm beginning to think this whole sex thing isn't such a good idea. Dunno. Seems like we need CCTV or body cams to cover our asses, so to speak. Need to think.
Miller
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 07:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


WHAT is expected to happen after "a few weeks?"


You'll be needing a urologist.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:12 am
@FBM,
It is a war on young men and normal sexual relationships placing all male heterosexual college students at risk of facing a kangaroo courts/panels when ever young women regret having sex after the fact.

A Simon said game play in college dorm rooms all over the state of California with at least the young men college and professional lives on the line.

Love it with a three and a half decades low on all reported rape/sexual assaults on or off college campuses we are going to redefine the granting of consent in order to try to reach the crazy claims of one in four or one in five college women being sexual assaulted and the hell with the welfare of young men who as far as any sane viewing had just taken part in consensual sex.


Miller
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:32 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

... with at least the young men college and professional lives on the line.


Ah yes...Bill- the- wit has spoken. The poor, poor young men with their "lives" on the line. But what about the helpless young ladies, molested by the young men? Ladies saturated with STDs, possibly pregnant from the "poor young men", most likely an attempted abortion ( self-induced or paid for by a "professional' who specializes in 'back-door" abortions).

Who will support the baby, produced by the "young men", should fetal development go to term? Who will support the baby for the first 22 years of it's life?

Don't the young ladies also have "college and professional lives on the line"?

Does Bill-the-Wit know the year is 2014? Smile



izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:32 am
@BillRM,
The fact is most rapes go unreported, and what you're saying is total bullshit.

As someone who never had sex when you were at college maybe you should keep quiet about something you know nothing about.

Stick to discussing pornography, we all know you're an expert on that.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:35 am
Having thought a little further on the legislation and the matter of yes- consent, I see that as tricky. Maybe you consent to have sex, Yes, but the other person is interested in something you aren't and say No to. That Yes doesn't preclude a No.

I'm more comfortable with people using No as needed.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:39 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The fact is most rapes go unreported, and what you're saying is total bullshit.


Oh so a higher percents of sexual assaults was being reported in the 1980s then in the 2010s?

Somehow it would seems with all the support for women to report such crimes there would be a higher percent being reported now then in the 1980s

So the fact that there is a thirty-five plus low in reported rapes does not mean that there are far less sexual assault happening now then in the past far far from the claims of the society being in the middle of a rape/sexual assault crises?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:42 am
@BillRM,
The fact is most rapes go unreported, end of.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:47 am
@ossobuco,
It is a clear attempt to turn most men into rapists as it is not part of a normal sexual interactions between men and women to get a formal granting of consent for having sex beforehand.

Women are suppose to be adults in all other areas of life, with for example a woman admiral now being in command of a aircraft carrier battle group and there is a high likelihood of our having a woman president in two more years and yet they can not said no if their what to be male sexual partner is in error about having her consent to sexual congress?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:48 am
@BillRM,
Total bullshit, most men aren't rapists, just the ones you go all doughy eyed at.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 08:52 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The fact is most rapes go unreported, end of.


Bullshit unless you can show that less rapes are going unreported over the decades then the strong tend of less rapes being reported now seems to imply that indeed less total rapes are happening both reported and unreported rapes then in the 1980s.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:13 am
@Miller,
Sorry but if you wish to claims that young women are not adult enough to say no if they do not indeed consent to sex then perhaps we should adopt other cultures behaviors and guard them at all times from having interactions with men until their families picked a husband for them.

However punishing the men for having sex with welling partners by having a crazy games of Simon said in the bedrooms gain no one anything except for men hating women who have taken over the feminism movement in the last few decades.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 09:41 am
@BillRM,
I don't have to show anything to you. The figures are easily available if anyone's interested. Normal people accept them, weirdos like you don't. You don't even consider rape to be a crime.
aidan
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2014 10:31 am
I've read the bill and I'm extremely confused about how it can possibly be enforced. I guess it might be a good thing that most college-aged students have phones with cameras because what will they need to do? Take a video of the person consenting continually throughout the sexual act to prove that they got an actual 'yes' consigning consent? What if they don't have that proof? How will this be enforced?

And as the mother of both a son and a daughter - I'd like to describe this scenario and get reactions from people. I was at a Toby Keith concert the other night. There were several attractive young woman in very short shorts and cowboy boots standing in front of me and going up to various young men from behind and 'twerking' them. So, if one of those young men had turned around and kissed any of them or felt their breasts - without first asking, 'Does you touching me like this without my consent - you just pressed your whole body against me from behind and gyrated against me- give me permission to touch you how I'd like without your consent?'
I'm not taking sides here - I don't want rapists getting away with rape - but if my daughter acted the way these girls were acting to strange men, I'd have to tell her she'd have been implying consent to some sort of reaction even in my eyes. And she'd be disrespecting those men same as she'd feel disrespected if they touched her without her permission And I know these girls didn't know the guys because I asked them (they were around my daughter's age) if they knew the guys they were grinding against and when they said no -advised them against doing it any more. They just laughed and said they were having a good time and not hurting anyone.

So yeah - I don't get how this can possibly be enforced. And I think young women also need to make sure they respect young men and don't initiate situations by behavior that is becoming more and more the norm according to some young men I teach. I described this situation to them and they said, 'Man - that's the way girls are now - they be twerking anything that moves.' I know I was shocked to see it and embarrassed for those girls and asked these young men if they liked that sort of behavior in a young lady - and they said, 'No - that's ratchet' (slang for classless).
But I guess that's what they all grew up watching girls do to get a boy.
There needs to be some education on both sides of the equation.

And yeah - I'll tell my daughter not to twerk strange men and I guess I need to tell my son to make sure he gets a videotape of the girl saying, extremely clearly, 'Yes'. This world is just getting crazier and crazier. I'm SO glad my kids are grown.
 

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