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I saw a white man with a gun. I heard a policeman saying, "Place the weapon down on the ground, ple

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2014 01:45 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:

It's puzzling. According to something I posted earlier, there's a law that tells the police to keep track of exactly that, but somehow it's a "law" that is non-binding. The police departments are free to do it or not, and the overwhelming majority of them are not. Wtf.


Take a look at crime reporting in general, it sucks, bad. You will recall that this point is brought up constantly in the government/feminist demands that we set up new parallel systems through the universities to report campus sexual assault, because the current systems used by police and justice departments are nearly useless.
For many months Slate tried to keep up with national stats on kids killed by guns after Newton. It was a frustrating experience, one that was not possible to do correctly because the nations reporting systems work so poorly.

Number of citizens killed by cops...the number of kids killed by guns....this is information that the state should have on its fingertips, and they should be up to last week. Right now the reporting of crime often runs 2-5 years after the fact.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2014 01:53 am
@hawkeye10,
They can tell us how many bicycles are stolen each year, but not how many people police kill each year. It's insane.

@ 2:30



Is it "can't" or "won't" tell?
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 03:00 pm
FOR ALLL OF YOU WHO SEE A CONSPIRACY AROUND EVERY CORNER:
The International Association of Chiefs of Police was part of project launched in 1996 to collect police use-of-force information across the nation. That effort was shutdown in 2001 when federal funding expired.

So apparently the U.S. tax payers and your bleeding heart liberal politicians don't seem to think there needs to be a national repository.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 03:23 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
In the past eight years, the Pentagon program has loaned local law enforcement some 200,000 ammunition magazines, 94,000 machine guns, and thousands of armored vehicles, rifles, aircraft, land mine detectors, silencers, and grenade launchers—all at the request of the local agencies themselves.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/police-departments-struggle-return-pentagon-military-surplus-gear

WHo thought this was a good idea? Who is this stuff supposed to used on?
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 04:40 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
So apparently the U.S. tax payers and your bleeding heart liberal politicians don't seem to think there needs to be a national repository.


Just trying to think who was running your country in 2001. Hmmm, no, don't tell me, it's on the tip of my tongue...
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 05:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
In the past eight years, the Pentagon program has loaned local law enforcement some 200,000 ammunition magazines, 94,000 machine guns, and thousands of armored vehicles, rifles, aircraft, land mine detectors, silencers, and grenade launchers—all at the request of the local agencies themselves. ......Who is this stuff supposed to used on?



How much ammo do you think a large city uses just to get their officers certified twice a year?

Do you remember the north hollywood bank shooting in '97 where the cops had to run to the local gun store because they were out gunned by the two heavily armed offenders with fully automatic weapons and metal piercing ammo shooting at everything that moved including civilains?

Do you remember those small town police officers near Boston who had to search for the two healiy armed terrorists who ahd IEDs?

Do active shooter events only happen in big towns with big budgets?

Why is it ok when we protect a banks money with armored cars but the police officers responding to a barricaed armed subject cant? Have ya ever seen video when the police had to use Brinks or Wells Fargo amored car to rescue other shot police or civilians off a street?

Ever had a lost child and had to wait because your underfunded local department didnt have an aircraft?

"Land mine detectors" are METAL DETECTORS and work great finding guns or hidden IEDS in a school.

"Grenade lauchers" are used to fire tear gas and rubber bullets.

Silencers are usually for a .22 (because anything bigger doesnt really get silenced all that much) and are great for tactical operations to take out lights and dogs on raids.

So instead of throwing away your tax dollars spent on this military gear AND then raising your property tax to buy some of this needed equipment, they are recycling hardware.

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giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 05:38 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Just trying to think who was running your country in 2001. Hmmm, no, don't tell me, it's on the tip of my tongue...


I'm assuming you are referring to the President...but it's the Congress that does the funding. Heres the make up of the 106th Congress:

Senate
Congress Years Total Dems Reps
106th 1999–2001 100 45 55

House
Total Dems Reps Others
435 211 223 1

Do you see a veto proof Congress?

Oh and BTW when I used the phrase "bleeding heart liberal" I never specified one party or another. Here are some liberal Rebublicans in NY:
Pataki, Blooomberg, Guiliani.
The unofficial title of Most Liberal Republican went to New York's Chris Gibson, who turned in a more liberal voting record than ten Democrats. (House) Rep. Justin Amash, a close second
The since-departed Scott Brown of Massachusetts turned in the most liberal voting record among his GOP colleagues. (Senate)

We call these "Rockefeller Republicans"
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 06:16 pm
@giujohn,
You wrote,
Quote:
Oh and BTW when I used the phrase "bleeding heart liberal" I never specified one party or another.


Are you really that dumb?
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 06:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You wrote,
Quote:

Oh and BTW when I used the phrase "bleeding heart liberal" I never specified one party or another.


Are you really that dumb?


Uh...maybe but apparently not on your level of dumb...dumbass.

As I'm sure English is not his first language can someone interpret what his complaint is???
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 06:49 pm
@giujohn,
Here's the dumbass response.
Quote:
I was asked today what the definition of a "bleeding heart liberal" is. I have heard this term referenced thousands of times in political commentary and conversation. The term can generally understood to mean someone with extreme empathy. It is often used by right-wing political pundits as a disparaging descriptor for a person with unrealistic liberal ideals. But I have never stopped to ponder the etymology of the term.


Do you know what "often used by right-wing political pundits means?"
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 07:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Do you know what "often used by right-wing political pundits means?"


I have excellent comprehension of the English language. I think yours comes from the internet exclusively. Just because some people want to co-opt the meaning of a word(s) and turn it into something more politically correct like "gay", doesnt make it right.

Being college educated in political science here is the correct definition:

bleeding-heart liberal
noun
Definition:
a person of left-wing or liberal views (i.e. of helping the poor, siding with the oppressed) who is deemed to be excessively soft-hearted

bleeding heart
Feeling sorry for everything and everyone and giving in to emotions quickly.


Now heres one that hits the nail on the head.

bleeding-heart liberal

A political left-winger who tends to be subjective in their political views. Political subjectiveness is ok to some degree, but some people tend to get carried away or be unrealistic. These types are somewhat of sore to American society.

There are few types of people who fall into this group:
1.Activists-the troublemakers who are
violent and crazy but try to cover up by pretending that their motives are moral.

2:Stoners-people who have taken a lot of time to think through where they stand politically, and realize that violence is an ineffective way to reach their goal, even if the establishment is refusing to listen to them.

3:Metalheads-people who have taken a lot of time to think through where they stand politically, but are too carefree to do anything more than write music about it. Also, they are pessimistic and feel they will never change anything.

4.Nobodies-people who really have none of their own views, but will make themselves think they believe in anything that is popular. Once they have a cause in mind, they will gather any evidence, without even thinking through it enough to realize it doesnt make any real sense.

5. Any person who thinks only about the benifit of individuals rather than society as a whole. In other words the kind of person who believes that we must not leave anyone behind, even if helping them would be a drag one the whole group. Someone who not only believes that, but will not waver on it no matter what, that is a bleeding heart-liberal.

NOTICE NO WHERE IS THE MENTION OF A POLITCAL PARTY...which was the brunt of my comment that elicited you calling me dumb.
So who's the dumb ass now?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 07:30 pm
christ, what assholes
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 07:33 pm
@ossobuco,
Well I wouldnt go so far as to call CI an asshole...a dumb ass yes...but then maybe you know something I dont.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 07:50 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
A political left-winger who tends to be subjective in their political views.


BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA

That's hilarious. You know someone who's objective in their political views? You're dreaming.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 07:56 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
That's hilarious. You know someone who's objective in their political views? You're dreaming. [/quote


Uh...I guess you didnt read the rest of the statement huh?

Political subjectiveness is ok to some degree, but some people tend to get carried away or be unrealistic. These types are somewhat of sore to American society.








cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 08:24 pm
@giujohn,
Says you,
Quote:
These types are somewhat of sore to American society.


LMAO
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 08:42 pm
@giujohn,
The 106th Congress ended Jan of 2001. The 107th Congress took office Jan 3 of 2001.

I see a Republican House and a Senate that was evenly split in 2001. But, don't let facts get in the way of your lack of reality.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 08:59 pm
@parados,
Are you even following this conversation or are you just suffering from explosive diarrhea of the mouth?

Any continuation of funding that expires in 2001 would have had to be voted on BEFORE 2001; hence the 106th congress. Also you make my point by saying that the Congress was evenly split.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 09:14 pm
As far back as '06, people have been aware of the problem. Funny that some people in '14 still have their heads in the sand about it.

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america

Quote:
WHITE PAPER
Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America


By Radley Balko
July 17, 2006
Executive Summary

Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home.

These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.

This paper presents a history and overview of the issue of paramilitary drug raids, provides an extensive catalogue of abuses and mistaken raids, and offers recommendations for reform.

Botched Paramilitary Police Raids: An Interactive Map


Link to interactive map: http://www.cato.org/raidmap
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 12 Oct, 2014 09:19 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
Political subjectiveness is ok to some degree, but some people tend to get carried away or be unrealistic. These types are somewhat of sore to American society.


And how do you decide who has 'got carried away' or 'unrealistic' - oh yeah you rely on you subjective political opinion.

Truly your source is offering a laughably self-serving argument.
 

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