I saw a white man with a gun. I heard a policeman saying, "Place the weapon down on the ground, ple

@FBM,

As long as your numbers and statistics do not match up to reality and its events, no they do not count. There are billions of graphs, statistics and other forms of closed-in information that are not even remotely true to its inferring purpose. People are natural liars and story tellers.

The wise did not bother with these things because...?

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@One Eyed Mind,

If you doubt the FBI, CIA, etc, ie the compilers of much of the data, then you're going to have to do some work to discredit them. More than just empty rhetoric. Data that shows why their data misrepresents the "reality" you mentioned.

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@FBM,

It's not that I deny the FBI, CIA, and such, but rather how you're against militants, but use the militant's information for the basis of your argument. The thing is, you're taking the information out of context - that's all.

It's just silly, FBM.

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@One Eyed Mind,

Got any data yet?

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@FBM,

I do not need data, friend.

I have a brain I know how to use and see behind your facetious activities. One does not go against a group, then use that same group's data to argue against that group.

It's a tautology advocated by your emotion and fear. Please let go of this tirade and accept reality for what it is. I know it's fun to play with fire and see the world dramatically, but let's be realistic here for a change.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-americans-killed-by-cops-now-outnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554

Quote:

Increasing Police Brutality: Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

The increase in police brutality in this country is a frightening reality. In the last decade alone the number of people murdered by police has reached 5,000. The number of soldiers killed since the inception of the Iraq war, 4489.

What went wrong? In the 19070’s SWAT teams were estimated to be used just a few hundred times per year, now we are looking at over 40,000 military style “knock and announce” police raids a year.

The police presence in this country is being turned into a military with a clearly defined enemy, anyone who questions the establishment.

If we look at the most recent numbers of non-military US citizens killed by terrorism worldwide, that number is 17. You have a better chance of being killed by a bee sting, or a home repair accident than you do a terrorist. And you are 29 times more likely to be murdered by a cop than a terrorist!

A hard hitting mini film by film maker Charles Shaw, properly titled RELEASE US, highlights the riveting and horrid reality of America’s thin blue line.

From the film:

500 innocent Americans are murdered by police every year (USDOJ). 5,000 since 9/11, equal to the number of US soldiers lost in Iraq.

In 1994 the US Government passed a law authorizing the Pentagon to donate surplus Cold War era military equipment to local police departments.

In the 20 years since, weaponry designed for use on a foreign battlefield, has been handed over for use on American streets…against American citizens.

The “War on Drugs” and the “War on Terror” replaced the Cold War with billions in funding and dozens of laws geared towards this new “war” against its own citizens.

This militarization of the police force has created what is being called an “epidemic of police brutality” sweeping the nation.

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@One Eyed Mind,

One Eyed Mind wrote:

I do not need data, friend.

I'm just going to let that sink in for a bit.

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@FBM,

Does not stack up to reality. By that logic, we'd see this world under a light of police brutality. Men, women and children would be talking about it. Students would definitely be all over it. Trolls on the internet would be focusing on making fun of it. There would at least be one person that's been through it, or knows someone who has.

However, all of the above does not apply because it's a story. You're not very good at telling story from reality, are you? Your emotions and eyes deceive you. Hence why everything about this remains on TV, and the Internet.

Well, sounds like commercial hogwash to me.

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@One Eyed Mind,

FBI, CIA, USDOJ...all in it for commercial purposes. Yeah. And your sense of reality is better than theirs. Yeah. Still got no facts to bring to the table?

Edit: Nvm. I just remembered that you don't need data. You've got the truth already wrapped up there between your ears. Facts and data. Who needs 'em?

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http://www.policemisconduct.net/putting-police-misconduct-statistics-in-perspective/

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@FBM,

The data is being misrepresented. Hence why I made the relation points between 1) the militant data 2) you using that militant data to argue against the militants 3) misrepresenting militant data.

There's no confusion - I stated it all very clearly.

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@One Eyed Mind,

So the FBI, CIA, USDOJ, etc etc, are all militant against the police? They're skewing the data to make the police look bad?

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@FBM,

No, that would be you and everyone else who seem to have no grasp over reality, hence the fear-mongering, the vague statements and the contradicting claims that makes one wonder if you're even living on the same planet right now; one which was inhabited by wise men; wise men that did not once bat a brain cell to your claims; claims that are based on what you saw on TV and on the Internet.

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@One Eyed Mind,

Precise numbers and statistics are anything but vague. Quite the opposite. You keep making the same claims over and over again, but you have yet to substantiate them. You see, as a professional educator, I understand the value of having empirical evidence and necessary inference derived from it. Otherwise, it's just one person's opinion against another's. If you have any statistical or other sort of evidence that the data I'm presenting is misleading or unfair, then counter-act that unfairness by producing contradictory facts and data instead of word salads and vague, unsubstantiated accusations.

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@FBM,

This is our discussion in a nutshell:

You: "I have data".

Me: "What is your data?"

You: "Just stuff on the Internet and what I saw on television. I haven't experienced it myself, but my emotions feel real, so it must be real."

Me: "So, your data is based on sources... on the internet, which is a place notorious for the illusion of knowledge to be spread globally?"

You: "No, it's true because the data says so!"

Me: "And how does the data say so?"

You: "Well, the numbers say X, Y and Z, so I'm just assuming how I interpret the numbers is the same X, Y and Z."

Me: "So you're telling me that all of this exists outside of the internet and television, despite my argument that nobody on the news is talking about police brutality; children at school know nobody who has suffered from police brutality; it's always shown via the media, which is notorious for its lies, hyperbole, bias and hypocrisy, therefore even after all of this has been stated, you assume that "data", that you call data, is at all remotely sensible to the situation you claim, while acknowledging the reality we live in does not match said claims?"

You: "Data, therefore militant violence".

Me: "I could pull a graph about anything, racism, sexism, religions, ANYTHING, and support a cause based entirely on misrepresented data, so what then is left of your data?"

You: "But muh data!"

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@One Eyed Mind,

Again, sources of the data include the CIA, FBI, USDOJ, etc etc. If you've got better, bring it on. Seems you have nothing more than an overwhelming regard for your own intelligence, viz it being greater than the collective intelligence of the agencies listed above.

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@FBM,

You are misrepresenting the data, FBM.

Do you not understand what that means?

Again, I can pull anything off the internet, whether it be pro-abortion/anti-abortion, anti-gay/pro-gay, anti-rape/pro-rape, ANYTHING, and the numbers, stats and data will argue for those points because the human mind only sees what it wants to see. Since you want to see alleged militant violence, YOU WILL SEE MILITANT VIOLENCE, just like people want to see gods, ghosts, demons, aliens and other NONSENSE, THEY WILL SEE GODS, GHOSTS, DEMONS, ALIENS, but in the end, seeing is believing - believing is not "seeing".

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@One Eyed Mind,

Again, all you have to do is expose that alleged misinformation by bringing correcting data to the table. Typing in all caps isn't such data.

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Example of a black man having his constitutional rights forcefully violated:

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