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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 08:39 pm
I saw a think is pretty sound that all cop guns should have sensors that send to satellites in real time when they are out of their holsters, and when fired the exact time and the direction that they are pointed. This is not always going to help but it should be very cheap information to obtain, and would overall help run computer animations of events.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 08:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
You'd think that it would also be easy to keep a nationwide database on all the people cops kill annually, and there's even a non-binding law that tells them to collect the data, but nope. They just don't do it. A few volunteer self-selected data to submit, but there is simply no way to find out actual numbers, much less the races of those killed.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 08:53 pm
@FBM,
I think we know that cops are not going to volunteer to have all firings recorded in real time as evidenced by hard it is to find out how many people they kill every year. This would need to be a federal law.

The one thing I have a problem with is that GPS could track them 24/7, on duty and off. I think that is not reasonable, off duty cops should not have their movements tracked.
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 09:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Yeah, the story below includes a call for such a law:

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How many police shootings a year? No one knows
...Criminal justice experts note that, while the federal government and national research groups keep scads of data and statistics— on topics ranging from how many people were victims of unprovoked shark attacks (53 in 2013) to the number of hogs and pigs living on farms in the U.S. (upwards of 64,000,000 according to 2010 numbers) — there is no reliable national data on how many people are shot by police officers each year.

The government does, however, keep a database of how many officers are killed in the line of duty. In 2012, the most recent year for which FBI data is available, it was 48 – 44 of them killed with firearms.

But how many people in the United States were shot, or killed, by law enforcement officers during that year? No one knows.

Officials with the Justice Department keep no comprehensive database or record of police shootings, instead allowing the nation’s more than 17,000 law enforcement agencies to self-report officer-involved shootings as part of the FBI’s annual data on “justifiable homicides” by law enforcement.

That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable.

“What’s there is crappy data,” said David A. Klinger, a former police officer and criminal justice professor at the University of Missouri who studies police use of force.

Several independent trackers, primarily journalists and academics who study criminal justice, insist the accurate number of people shot and killed by police officers each year is consistently upwards of 1,000 each year.
...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/08/how-many-police-shootings-a-year-no-one-knows/
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 09:04 pm
@BillRM,
Im an expert shot and have always been in the top five shooters in academy and training classes. (I was cadet marksman of my first academy). I went through a training course where i was voluntarily injected with an Epi-Pen to simulate the fight or flight reaction. The result was that I was only a good shot. (worst score of my life)
Most cops, if lucky, get to qualify once a year. (it's a matter of time and money)
Imagine what happens to a cop who has only a passable score on the range when his ass is sucking up his underwear; he becomes a poor shot. Add any distance over 20 feet and you now have many misses. This was not the reason for high cap. mags. The reason for autos was reloading a revolver when the bad guy has an auto is a death sentence. When suffering from the adreneline rush the tendacy to spray and pray is accentuated.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 09:12 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
When suffering from the adreneline rush the tendacy to spray and pray is accentuated.

Officer Wilson was in a very high crime area, alone, and was getting assaulted by a big thug....he had to be very on edge.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 10:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
No doubt.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2014 10:28 pm
This wording on Officer Wilson not getting a "severance package" must deliberate, that what we have us a contract where money was traded for his resignation.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 01:58 am
@giujohn,
He wasn't fighting for his life you racist ****. What leaves me cold is that someone like you can work as a policeman. You should be down in the sewers clearing blockages away from decent people.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:01 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

He wasn't fighting for his life you racist ****. What leaves me cold is that someone like you can work as a policeman. You should be down in the sewers clearing blockages away from decent people.


The world does not revolve around your emotional state.

SORRY! Crying or Very sad
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:07 am
@hawkeye10,
And nobody pays any attention to a chimp like you.

GIUJohn is not fit to be a police officer.

When idiots start accusing other people of being emotional they've lost the argument.

Your problem is you think you have relevance, like when you upbraided America for ignoring you, and shopping on Thanksgiving Day. Most people are unaware of your existence, and most of those who are aware think you're an idiot.

Sorry. That's just how it is.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:20 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
GIUJohn is not fit to be a police officer.

He sounds exactly like a cop, and I have a huge problem with how cops behave, but I rarely blame the individual. For the most part cops do what we have told the cops we want them to do. We the people need to change our instructions.

To G-John: when I worked at the olympia capital complex feeding state workers I got to know a class of highway patrol cadets very well. They were all top notch people, and I had a lot of respect for their obvious dedication toward public service and as well that they represented the best .3% of those who applied. I do not take to blasting American policing procedures lightly.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:30 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Your problem is you think you have relevance, like when you upbraided America for ignoring you, and shopping on Thanksgiving Day.

The big problem with your argument is that we keep having the pattern of things that I am talking about over years and being called a radical out of touch idiot about keep blowing up into big conversations in America. Thanksgiving shopping is just one of a dozen or so such examples. You heard it on A2K, from me Hawkeye, first. This is because I understand how this collective works, and I have the trained eye of a hawk seeing trouble before most do.

Ignore my wisdom at your own expense, your idiocy however costs me nothing but a little wasted time.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 03:11 am
@hawkeye10,
One example for you, not that you are worth the time
Post: # 4,288,782
Sun 18 Jul, 2010 06:14 pm
http://able2know.org/topic/143046-8

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By Robert J. Samuelson
Monday, July 19, 2010

If you want a preview of President Obama's health-care "reform," take a look at Massachusetts. In 2006, it enacted a "reform" that became a model for Obama. What's happened since isn't encouraging. The state did the easy part: expanding state-subsidized insurance coverage. It evaded the hard part: controlling costs and ensuring that spending improves people's health. Unfortunately, Obama has done the same.
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Similar forces will define Obamacare. Even if its modest measures to restrain costs succeed -- which seems unlikely -- the effect on overall spending would be slight. The system's fundamental incentives won't change. The lesson from Massachusetts is that genuine cost control is avoided because it's so politically difficult. It means curbing the incomes of doctors, hospitals and other providers. They object. To encourage "accountable care organizations" would limit consumer choice of doctors and hospitals. That's unpopular. Spending restrictions, whether imposed by regulation or "global payments," raise the specter of essential care denied. Also unpopular.

Obama dodged the tough issues in favor of grandstanding. Imitating Patrick, he's already denouncing insurers' rates, as if that would solve the spending problem. What's occurring in Massachusetts is the plausible future: Unchecked health spending shapes government priorities and inflates budget deficits and taxes, with small health gains. And they call this "reform"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/18/AR2010071802733.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

HAWKEYE10 SAID
But the American people see through the scam, yet Obama still wonders why he does not get credit for this great thing he thinks he has done. That he wasted a year on when we had pressing problems to deal with. What an idiot he has turned out to be...This was a super critical decision on how to spend a pivotal year of american history, and he got it completely wrong.


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Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, said Tuesday (NOV 25 2014) it was a mistake for Democrats to spend their political capital on health care in 2009 when the economy was still flailing.

“For the average middle class voter ... it wasn’t at the top of their agenda,” Schumer said at the National Press Club, second-guessing President Barack Obama's biggest legislative accomplishment, adding that most Americans – 85 percent -- had health insurance either through the government or their employer.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/schumer-dems-should-have-pushed-jobs-over-health-care-2009-n255846
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 03:39 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Im an expert shot and have always been in the top five shooters in academy and training classes. (I was cadet marksman of my first academy). I went through a training course where i was voluntarily injected with an Epi-Pen to simulate the fight or flight reaction. The result was that I was only a good shot. (worst score of my life)
Most cops, if lucky, get to qualify once a year. (it's a matter of time and money)
Imagine what happens to a cop who has only a passable score on the range when his ass is sucking up his underwear; he becomes a poor shot. Add any distance over 20 feet and you now have many misses. This was not the reason for high cap. mags. The reason for autos was reloading a revolver when the bad guy has an auto is a death sentence.
How about using a moon-clip to re-load
a double action revolver with a swing-out cylinder ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 05:08 am
@hawkeye10,
Now who's being emotional, three posts one after the other. The last one being completely irrelevant. I don't live in "New" England, and I'm not really that bothered about your health care provision. I'm lucky enough to have the NHS.

GIUJohn doesn't sound like any police officer I've met, a trigger happy racist like that wouldn't even get an interview.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 06:49 am

Two FBI agents shot and it is not front page news! I love the filtering the media seems to love to do when the stories does not fit into their program.

Also almost no coverage of the threats to killed police officers in Ferguson unless Wilson resign before a deadline that was given in the threats.



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http://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-special-agents-shot-ferguson/story?id=27190128

Two FBI special agents were shot during an investigation near Ferguson, Missouri, this morning, FBI Public Affairs Specialist Rebecca Wu confirmed.

The agents’ injuries are not life-threatening, Wu said. One of the agents was shot in the shoulder, and the other was shot in the leg.

The shooting happened at 2:53 a.m. in a home in University City, located six miles south of Ferguson. The agents were helping the University City Police Department execute an arrest warrant unrelated to nearby protests, Wu said.

The protests continue in response to the August police shooting of unarmed black teen Michael Brown. New unrest followed Monday’s grand jury decision not to bring charges against officer Darren Wilson in Brown’s shooting death.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 01:27 pm
@izzythepush,
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I'm lucky enough to have the NHS.

Good for you, girly man. You will also be paying jizah soon.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:39 pm
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Tracy Ballard, 44, brought her 7-year-old daughter to a store on West Florissant to buy candy and soda, before a trip to the beautician up the street.

"I feel sad for the business owners," Ballard said. "It's really sad it had to come from this. We just wanted justice. If we'd have had justice, none of this would have happened."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/30/ferguson-police-officer-darren-wilson-resigns/

None of this would have happened if there had not been illegal property destruction during a riot. This is no better than in the old days when they said " we would not have lynched the nigger if he would have behaved".
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2014 02:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
The real sad part of this is a good cop needed to give up his career for doing his job and having a white skin while doing it.

We not have the crime of policing while white it would seems.
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