The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@hawkeye10,

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Our entire way of life is build around the rule of law. Tear that down and we are toast. The ends do not in fact always justify the means.

It just doesn't get any better than what we have. Unless someone can tell me where.

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@coldjoint,

Australia, apparently.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The first two persons to suggest Brown had his hands up...or at least in a position of surrender...WERE WHITE!

If you check the GJ testimony you will find the construction workers did NOT testify that he had his hands up...this has aslo been reported on various news outlets...old news Frank...try to keep up. In fact several witnesses including Dorian Johnson changed their story while at GJ.(probably afraid of a perjury charge) Dorian must think we are idiots because he is STILL claiming this hands up dont shoot bullshit.

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@hawkeye10,

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These are according to you what, good people acting sadistically because they are just following orders, like the Nazi death camp workers?

A police officer does not have to follow an illegal order and in fact must act to bring that order to light for investigation.

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@BillRM,

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To me large caliber revolvers would be better weapons for law enforcement to carry normally

Incorrect. A large cal. gun also has a large kick. It is difficult to control for subsequent shots and is heavy making it difficult to hold steady for the first. Bigger the cal. doesnt mean better man stopper. The 240 gr. .44 magnum is not a great man stopper in as much as most of its energy is wasted down range as it goes through you. (remember, Larry Flint was shot point blank in th chest w/ a .44 mag. and lived) The best stopping round is one that is between 125-135 grs. at a velocity between 1300-1400 fps, in a fast opening hollow point so that it stays in the body. The .Federal 40 S&W cal. 135 gr. (which is the round I believe Wilson had) is a decent man stopper but most shost that hit Brown were not in center mass. The head shot did stop him.

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@Lordyaswas,

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An ineffectual policeman panicked, let adrenalin get the better of him and shot a full twelve times.
Sounds like a panicking Nancy to me, rather than an officer of the law.

And how many times have you been in a fight for your life in simular situations???

What leaves me "cold" is you arm chair "experts"

Pin on the badge and strap on the gun then we'll talk.

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@giujohn,

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A large cal. gun also has a large kick. It is difficult to control for subsequent shots and is heavy making it difficult to hold steady for the first

My mother who is not a large woman have no problem at all with getting high scores with my combat commander 45.

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great man stopper in as much as most of its energy is wasted down range as it goes through you. (remember, Larry Flint was shot point blank in th chest w/ a .44 mag. and lived)

A 45 round is large but very slow [800 t0 900 ft/sec or so] so it is not going to go normally through anyone and was design by the US military to deal with drug up Filipina warriors charging you with large knives/swords.

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@izzythepush,

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When Darren Wilson was interviewed he showed no remorse.

Are you really that naive ?? He's still facing a federal investigation and civil suits to come...and in this feeding frenzy to lynch him if he expressed "remorse" it would be held as an admission of guilt.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Some of you people show no humanity at all.

The ones who have shown no humanity are the race baiters and cop haters who would lynch this cop for protecting his community from the likes of Brown. The ones who perpetuate the myth that the cop killed him because he was black. i.e, many posters here. I direct you to the subliminalkid.

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@giujohn,

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The ones who perpetuate the myth that the cop killed him because he was black. i.e, many posters here.

I am sure that the officer would allow a white version of Brown to attacked and likely killed him without using deadly force to defense himself.

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@BillRM,

I think people have been pretty clear that this incident was just the tip of the iceberg. Or the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll see if I can think of some more metaphors...

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@Frank Apisa,

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12 shots...with at least 6 hitting the young man...for what is essentially jaywalking...and you are okay with it.

You people are sick!

What makes me sick is that with all the evidence staring you in the face you still charaterize this as a jaywalking incident...you are either being purposely being disingenuous ot your nuts!

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@FBM,

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I think people have been pretty clear that this incident was just the tip of the iceberg. Or the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll see if I can think of some more metaphors...

Sorry but any claims of police misconduct in general is completely beside the point of whether this cop acted correctly when face with Mr. Brown attack and the evidence seem very solid that he acted both legally and in line with his training in the 90 seconds this matter from start to finish took.

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@giujohn,

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.you are either being purposely being disingenuous ot your nuts!

LOL with Frank it is a little of both of the above in my opinion.

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@revelette2,

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My biggest gripe with all this is the way they conducted the grand jury. It was just not right. The prosecutor basically had Brown on trial and Wilson was just a witness, giving hours of testimony. This is not the way a Grand Jury proceeding is supposed to operate. Moreover, usually, the transcripts are locked up, but this time they released the whole transcript plus the evidence which was submitted to the Grand Jury.

I am more than confident that if they didnt release the transcripts or allowed Wilson to testify you would be the first to scream, COVER UP!!!!...you are sooooo transparent.

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@oralloy,

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The surrounding tissue in the case of a Glaser is pretty shallow though, and often does not reach any vital organs.

Orally:
That info on the saftey slug is VERY old. I can tell by the "Cap" as they havent used that design since the 80s. The lack of penetration was adressed long ago by fusing the shot in a dead soft lead core in the 80s as well. There are also 2 types blue tip and silver tip with silver having more penetration.

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@BillRM,

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A 45 round is large but very slow [800 t0 900 ft/sec or so] so it is not going to go normally through anyone and was design by the US military to deal with drug up Filipina warriors charging you with large knives/swords.

You are right but only up to a point. The .45 acp in 230 gr FMJ has only about a 60% one shot stop. The 230gr hydrashok .45 acp is for some reason a 90-92% one shot stop. The 185 gr golden saber is about 95%.
These rounds go against the 125-135gr/1300-1400fps standard...but they do work.

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@FBM,

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I think people have been pretty clear that this incident was just the tip of the iceberg. Or the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll see if I can think of some more metaphors...

Ya, just like it appears was the case with Travon Martin something set Big Mike off that day, caused him to be a violent prick and ended up getting him killed. There was almost certainly some kind of build up of anger. We pretty much know what Travon was pissed about, the suspension, getting hauled out of town away from his friends and needing to be with dad who is not as easy going as mom, but Brown? We dont know, the reporting has been almost non existent (That info is not PC so the "journalists" are mum).

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@BillRM,

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My mother who is not a large woman have no problem at all with getting high scores with my combat commander 45.

The problem is, with the advent of more female cops starting in the late 70s and the adoption of the semi auto for police is that the average woman would get a lot jams with the auto becasue they were"limp-wristing" the gun. 9mms were lighter than. 45 and now even lighter with alloy/plastic frames (Glock,S&W etc.)

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@giujohn,

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that the average woman would get a lot jams with the auto becasue they were"limp-wristing" the gun. 9mms were lighter than. 45 and now even lighter with alloy/plastic frames (Glock,S&W etc.)

My theory is the as the bullets are smaller you can have must larger magazines and therefore do more of the spray and pray cops now days seems all to prone to do.

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