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Why is Obama such a coward with Israel?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:06 pm
@BillRM,
You're purposely mistreating what has happened with BP and Exxon in Iraq; both were producing great amounts of oil from Iraq until recently.

It doesn't matter that
Quote:
Iraqi cabinet endorsed the draft law in July 2007, Parliament has balked at the legislation.


But, according to recent news reports, both companies are evacuating workers because production levels are dropping.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:20 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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There is no question that "Israel has the right to defend itself, but, to unleash its mighty armada of fighter bombers, gunboats, weapons launchers, tanks and highly trained army to “pinpoint” targets in the Gaza strip amounts to “overkill.”


Complete bullshit as I am sure that no other nation would use any degree of force it feel was needed to stop having rockets with those kind of warhead shot into their nation and once more all the poor poor poor Palestinians need to do is to stop the launching of those rockets to end the counter measures that Israel is using.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Obama is now considering using our bombers in Iraq - again. For what purpose? It surely is not to 'protect their democracy.'


LOL I wonder how you would feel if crazy religion nuts had chased you and your family into the mountains and are threatening to kill you for the sole reason that you are not a member of the "correct" version of Islam.

Bet you would love to see the US dropping bombs on those nuts and dropping food and supply to you and your family.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:36 pm
Quote:
Romeo said about the West's presence in Iraq/Afgh: what on earth do you think they ARE after?
BillRM replied: A stable area of the world that is not the breeding ground for terrorism just to start with and it is an important area due to their oil and other resources.
That does not mean that anyone is looking to ripped them off or steal their oil.

Like I said, the West has been trying to get a friendly govt and army up and running in those countries but there's no sign of it ever happening, we've been there for donkeys years and the situation is just as unstable as its ever been, if not worse, so it's time to cut our losses and get out..
And incidentally if we DO get out, terrorists won't hate us quite so much..Smile
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:47 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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so it's time to cut our losses and get out..


The US is in far better shape then the EU so I wonder what tune you will be singing when electric is limited to a few hours a day and gasoline is limited to a few gallons a month.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 04:01 pm
Quote:
BillRM asked me: The US is in far better shape then the EU so I wonder what tune you will be singing when electric is limited to a few hours a day and gasoline is limited to a few gallons a month.

I'm a member of survivalist forums and know one or two things, so I should do better than most.
And I've never had or wanted a car, so having no oil won't bother me in the slightest..Smile

PS- I recently posted some 'surviving Ebola' hints and tips in another A2K thread but the dumb yank rednecks voted me down!
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 04:32 pm
(Ismael Mohamad / United Press International)
Israeli army summarily executed fleeing civilians in southern Gaza
Submitted by Charlotte Silver on Tue, 08/05/2014 - 01:09

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/140804-khuzaa-devastation.jpg?itok=nG7pYcfJ

Palestinians walk past houses destroyed by Israeli airstrikes and shelling in Khuzaa, 3 August.
(Ramadan El-Agha / APA images)

Even before a short-lived ceasefire allowed journalists to enter the besieged southern Gaza Strip town of Khuzaa on 1 August, desperate reports of an Israeli massacre — including execution-style shootings — had emerged from survivors who had escaped to nearby Khan Younis.

Once journalists were able to enter the choked-off village, they found slain bodies and the stench of decay. Journalist Jesse Rosenfeld described one scene, among several, that appeared to be the site of a summary execution: “Blood and blackened remnants are caked on the bathroom floor. The walls have been drenched in blood and they are pocked with scores of bullet holes that look as if they were fired from an automatic weapon at waist level.”

Fifty-one bodies were recovered on 1 August.
Deliberately firing on civilans

On Saturday, Ali Abunimah reported on a video apparently made by Israeli soldiers from the Givati brigade on 30 July, recording their dedication of the destruction of a mosque in Khuzaa to fallen Israeli soldiers.

Now, after conducting its own investigations into the events between 23 and 25 July, Human Rights Watch has accused the Israeli army of deliberately firing on and killing civilians in the southern Gaza town of Khuzaa, violating several laws of war.

After interviewing surviving witnesses in Khan Younis, Human Rights Watch was able to chronicle the war crimes committed by the Israeli army. Such crimes include firing on civilians carrying white flags in an attempt to flee the village; shooting at medical workers attending to a mortally wounded Red Crescent paramedic volunteer; denying medical care to Palestinians in Israeli custody; and shooting at civilians after they were ordered to exit their homes.

This is not the first time such crimes have been committed in Khuzaa. As both Human Rights Watch and the Goldstone report documented, during Israel’s 2008-2009 offensive on Gaza Israeli soldiers shot at several Palestinians in Khuzaa carrying white flags, killing at least one and injuring more.
“Large craters”

Khuzaa has a population of approximately 10,000 and lies between Khan Younis and Gaza’s eastern boundary with Israel. Employees of Human Rights Watch have yet to be able to enter Khuzaa, saying that all four roads leading to the town have been replaced by “large bomb craters.”

For weeks, Khuzaa was completely isolated from ambulance services and much of the media as Israeli forces fired on its residents by air and ground assault.

The one exception was on 24 July, when the Israeli military allowed the Red Cross to enter Khuzaa for just one hour to retrieve the injured and collect dead bodies. The next day, on 25 July, Israeli forces granted a request submitted by the International Committee of the Red Cross to permit the Palestine Red Crescent Society to do the same.

But still, the Red Crescent was unable to reach many families. Furthermore, as reported by the International Committee of the Red Cross, Israel attacked a volunteer with the Red Crescent while he was attempting to treat the wounded. Paramedics tried to rush him to a hospital, but were also targeted by Israel. The volunteer died.
Unable to escape

Human Rights Watch reports that Israel gave advanced warnings to the residents of Khuzaa prior to 21 July, but notes that civilians’ failure to evacuate an area that has been given an advanced warning does not make them lawful targets.

Instead, as the investigation makes clear, Israel deliberately shot at Palestinians as they tried to flee their homes and village.

In one incident described by Human Rights Watch that took place on 25 July, an Israeli airstrike shelled a home that was sheltering 120 people in its basement, killing three civilians: five-year-old Motassem al-Najjar, seventy-year-old Salim Qdeih and 62-year-old Kamel al-Najjar. Fifteen were injured.

When the survivors of the strike tried to flee, carrying white flags over their heads, another Israeli missile struck the group, killing one man and injuring another.

While many towns located on the eastern boundary with Israel fled following Israel’s ground assault on 18 July, residents of Khuzaa were unable to escape. Speaking from Khan Younis, Akram al-Najjar, 15, told Human Rights Watch that Israel began shelling the village on 18 July, and his family ran “from house to house seeking shelter.”

Al-Najjar added that he and about one hundred others had gathered in one house on 23 July. Once the Israelis found them and ordered them to leave, al-Najjar said: “The first one to walk out of the house was Shahid al-Najjar. He had his hands up, but the soldiers shot him. He was shot in the jaw and badly injured, but he survived.”

The army then ordered the rest of the men to take off their clothes before exiting the house. Everyone was then separated by age and gender; women and boys under 14 were ordered to leave the village by foot, while the men were shuffled between houses after putting on their clothes.
“He was shot”

Akram al-Najjar was put in a group with boys ages 14 to 19. He reported: “We had walked from the dunes and had reached the mosque. We got 50 meters past it, and soldiers started shooting at us. The shooting injured three of us. One of them died. He was shot in the stomach.”

According to Akram’s grandfather, 75-year-old Mohammad al-Najjar, Israel detained all the men between the ages of 16 and 50 and “let the rest of us go.” He believes that his three sons are still in Israeli custody, along with hundreds of others that have been detained in Gaza.

The full Human Rights Watch report documents several of the laws of war Israel violated in Khuzaa — yet still only a partial picture of what occurred in Khuzaa is illuminated.
In the report, Human Rights Watch urges the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas to seek International Criminal Court jurisdiction over crimes committed on and from Palestinian territory as a means to achieve accountability and deter war crimes.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 09:43 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
God damn Jews how dare they think that they have a right to self defense?

After all requiring that the poor Palestinians stop trying to murder them before they will stop attacking is way too must to ask for.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 09:58 pm
@BillRM,
It's not the Palestinians who are shooting those missiles; it's Hamas, a terrorist organization.

Not all Palestinians are terrorists; not all Americans are terrorists; not all Jews are terrorists.
Most terrorist activities in the US are accomplished by non-terrorist individuals; over 90%.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 10:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
t's not the Palestinians who are shooting those missiles; it's Hamas, a terrorist organization.


BULLSHIT Hamas is the de facto government of the Gaza Strip and elected to that position by the people of the Gaza Strip beside.

Plenty of arms in the Gaza Strip if the millions of Palestinians change their minds and would care to removed them from power by force.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict#2006_elections_and_Hamas-government

2006 elections and Hamas-government[edit]
With the death of Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian Authority was left without a strong leader. Hamas won the 2006 legislative election. As a result of the Hamas led government's refusal to commit to nonviolence, recognition of the state of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements, the states of Israel, the Quartet (United States, Russia, United Nations, and European Union), several Western states, and the Arab states imposed sanctions suspending all foreign aid
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:55 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Guys, guys, if the West isn't after Iraq's and Afgh's oil, what on earth do you think they ARE after?

Peace and stability.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:57 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
PS- I recently posted some 'surviving Ebola' hints and tips in another A2K thread but the dumb yank rednecks voted me down!

I replied to your post where you complained about the votes, and gave you a "vote up" on all of your downvoted posts.

Not enough to counter all the downvotes of course, but it doesn't look so bad now.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 05:04 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
And incidentally if we DO get out, terrorists won't hate us quite so much..Smile

That is incorrect. Note that they attacked us first, before we invaded.

The terrorists hate all freedom and democracy, and they mean to conquer the world and commit genocide against all non-Muslims.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 05:04 am
Quote:
Romeo asked: Guys, guys, if the West isn't after Iraq's and Afgh's oil, what on earth do you think they ARE after?
Oralloy replied: Peace and stability.

Why?
There are plenty of unstable countries around the world, so why is the West only concerned about Iraq/Afgh's's peace and stability?


Quote:
Romeo said: if we DO get out of Iraq/Afgh, terrorists won't hate us quite so much..
Oralloy replied: That is incorrect. Note that they attacked us first, before we invaded. The terrorists hate all freedom and democracy, and they mean to conquer the world and commit genocide against all non-Muslims.

The West has been in the mideast since long before 9/11, and has also been supporting Israel for 60 years, no wonder muslims hate us.

1967 Six-Day War: Israelis occupy the Palestinian West Bank with American-supplied Shermans..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/shers-6-day_zps82ff6285.jpg~original
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 01:31 pm
@BillRM,
The American people elect our government too, and our presidents have been responsible for starting illegal wars. What control does the citizens have against any government that's elected?

Do you suffer from myopia or ignorance; maybe both.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 01:51 pm
In a TV interview a while back, a muslim extremist was asked- "Surely your fight is with the US and British governments, not with the innocent civilians who died on 9/11 and in the London bombings?",
to which he replied- "They voted the evil governments into power in the first place, so they're as much to blame".
He's got a point..
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 01:59 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Anyone, even a Muslim extremist, can voice some truths. Even liars tell truths some times.

Your use of "Muslim extremist" tells me more about you than the Muslims.

Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 03:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ALL Muslims are forbidden by the Koran from being our chums-
[Koran 5.51] "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other"

so although the majority of them politely tolerate us without killing us, there's a hardline extremist minority who invoke the verse below and they're the ones who make us watch our backs-
[Koran 9.123] "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 03:40 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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"They voted the evil governments into power in the first place, so they're as much to blame".
He's got a point..


A point that CI and others do not seem to understand when it come to the Palestinians in the Gaza strip.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:49 pm
@BillRM,
A point you seem to completely ignore; that elected officials do not always do what is right. In reality, the majority of times, all elected officials do not even follow the Constitution they swore to uphold.

 

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