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Why is Obama such a coward with Israel?

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 01:36 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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Why have ALL US Presidents been afraid of Israel and the Israel lobby?


How was George Washington afraid of it?
How was Millard Fillmore afraid of it?

Better yet, how was any president, pre 1948, afraid of the Israel lobby?
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:46 am
@maxdancona,
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And for us to give Israel weapons, including mortar shells, when this is happening is pure cowardice.


I see your point, max, quite clearly. Obama did speak out recently, but tepidly, highlighting the reality that he along with the rest of the US congress are frightened to death of Israel. Despite the strides Obama made in his legacy achievement, ACA, his failure to speak out loudly and forcefully, refusing to use the cutting off of funds to Israel will leave a black mark on his administration.

Israel has no incentive to stop killing as many Palestinians as they want because there is are no restraints put on the Zionist nation by his major benefactor, the US. One member of congress, Senator Lindsey Graham, said on National TV "Israel should do whatever it needs to do to protect itself." This US coldblooded congress cannot see the inhumanity of overkill of so many Palestinian children. Israel has destroyed so much of Gaza, now it wants the world to pat it on the back and "say well done! You did what you had to do to protect your nation." This is where I find extreme fault with President Obama. Under President George Herbert Walker Bush (sr) he and the barely 5 feet PM Yitzhak Shamir, got into it.

The late Yitzhak Shamir, former Mossad Head, adamant Zionist, who was fighting for Israel before there was a state of Israel, requested a 10-Billion dollar loan guarantee from the then US. President George Herbert Walker Bush who refuse to do so unless Israel promised to stop building settlements in the West Bank. The barely 5 feet PM, Yitzhak Shamir, went on TV and started screeching "No power on earth will prevent Israel from building anywhere in Palestine it feels like building." There was a backlash after President Bush went on TV speaking to the American public: "Here I am, just one little guy, and the Israeli lobby and its supporters are applying all types of pressure to me." Needless to say, the PM did not get his 10-Billion dollar loan guarantee to bring in Russian Jews and Ethiopians Jews (Falashas)* Under the Clinton administration, Israel got its 10-Billion dollar loan guarantee.
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Shakespeare's Brutus: "There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life Is bound in shallows and in miseries."


*Israel has come out and admitted that it's been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants contraception injections.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 10:39 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Obama has not spoken out enough against Israel's genocide. He's afraid of the politics of going too far, but he freely told Israel the US always have their backs covered. That support has been Israel's license to kill and destroy anything resembling a democracy in our name.

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ByBRIAN MONTOPOLICBS NEWSMarch 5, 2012, 6:43 PM
Obama to Netanyahu: U.S. will "always have Israel's back"
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Obama has not spoken out enough against Israel's genocide. He's afraid of the politics of going too far, but he freely told Israel the US always have their backs covered.


I, along with many Americans, are questioning why the US government which claims it's a democracy would allow Israel to massacre another people and then use its veto to keep Israel from being given its just due for its crimes against humanity!

Israel is UNNECESSARILY cruel!

There is no question that "Israel has the right to defend itself, but, to unleash its mighty armada of fighter bombers, gunboats, weapons launchers, tanks and highly trained army to “pinpoint” targets in the Gaza strip amounts to “overkill.” There simply is no reasonable explanation for Obama not acting except for an unvarnished fear from the US because of domestic politics. At the rate the US middle east policy is going, it looks as if Israel is calling the shots from now and into the future!

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That support has been Israel's license to kill and destroy anything resembling a democracy in our name.


ABSOLUTELY! There's no disagreement there. The US image around the world is suffering and will continue to do so as long as the US congress grovels to Israel and pays obeisance to the Zionist nation. The US doesn't have a leg to stand on when it preaches "democracy." First America should clean out its own house and then it will have the right to deliver a sermon to others.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 12:17 pm
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Topic title: Why is Obama such a coward with Israel?

Because he's in the pocket of America's Jewish businessmen and dare not do anything to upset them!
PS- M0st of those shells and missiles Israel is firing into Gaza were paid for by the ordinary American taxpayer; don't you mind?
No wonder muslims hate America and the American people!

Bin Laden said three years before 9/11-
"Thousands of millions of Muslims are angry. The Americans should expect reactions from the Muslim world that are proportionate to the injustice they inflict" Osama Bin Laden in Time Magazine Dec 1998

And there'll be more 9/11's over the years until Americans wake up and start asking "Why the hell are we supporting Israel and making ourselves a terror target as 'Israel's friend'? What has Israel ever done for us?


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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 12:49 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Obama is now considering using our bombers in Iraq - again. For what purpose? It surely is not to 'protect their democracy.'
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 01:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Obama is now considering using our bombers in Iraq - again. For what purpose? It surely is not to 'protect their democracy.'


To try and halt ISIS in its tracts. The US, under GWB/Cheney de Facto president, BROKE Iraq, and in the sense the American government destabilized it, it is up to the US to right its wrong.

"ISIS Militants mounted a bloody bid to seize Iraq's largest dam Thursday, clashing with Kurds for control of the Mosul’s primary source of fresh water and power.

"Residents told The Associated Press that the Islamic State (IS), the militant group formerly known as ISIS, had taken control of the Tigris River facility, but crack Kurdish troops guarding the site claim they repelled the attack, Agence France Press reported.

"The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) launched an attack on Mosul dam but the peshmerga repelled it," Kurdish spokesman Halgurd Hekmat said. "They left at least one body and four destroyed humvees behind in their retreat," he said.

"The fight to control the 30-year-old facility once known as Saddam Dam marks a critical point in ISIS’ front with the Kurdish soldiers known as Peshmerga. Seizing the dam would give ISIS the power to control water and electricity in Iraq’s second largest city, Mosul, 30 miles downstream.

"The dam lies on the Tigris River, which runs through Iraq’s capital, Baghdad. It provides electricity to the 1.7 million residents of Mosul and is the fourth-largest dam in the Middle East."

www.globalterrorwatch.ch/?p=30539
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 01:39 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Thanks for that information. It helps understand what's going on in Iraq.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 03:44 pm
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Cicerone said: Obama is now considering using our bombers in Iraq - again. For what purpose? It surely is not to 'protect their democracy.'

Because he's too dumb to know when to quit.
America and the West invaded Iraq in 2003 because they could smell oil, so they tried to get a pro-west regime installed and help train the Iraqi army, and help get the oil wells running so the west could cut an oil deal.
But the insurgents won't let things settle down, not ever, so it's a lost cause and the sooner the West realises that and gets out, the better.
(Exactly the same in Afgh, another lost cause)
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 06:26 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
The US, under GWB/Cheney de Facto president, BROKE Iraq, and in the sense the American government destabilized it, it is up to the US to right its wrong.

We did not break Iraq, and we are under no obligation to fix anything.

We are getting involved because Islamic State is a grave threat to American citizens.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 06:26 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
America and the West invaded Iraq in 2003 because they could smell oil,

Nonsense.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 07:32 pm
@oralloy,
It's not rocket science, American and western politicians have got highly-developed noses when it comes to sniffing out oil, that's the only reason they're meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oil makes their warplanes, warships and tanks go, and as industry experts predict oil will run out "sometime this century", the West is after every last drop they can get because they know that when it does finally run out they'll have to start fighting with sticks and stones, right General?

"Ugh"..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/cave-man.gif~original
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 07:47 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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It's not rocket science, American and western politicians have got highly-developed noses when it comes to sniffing out oil, that's the only reason they're meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Odd would you care to show that American oil firms benefits from the US invasion of Iraq?

An oil and Afghanistan???????????

Here is Afghanistan exports take note oil is not on the list

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Exports $376 million (2012 est.)
Export goods
opium, fruits and nuts, Afghan rugs, wool, cotton, hides and pelts, and gemstone


The great big holes in NYC where two of the tallest buildings in the world have more to do with the invasion of Afghanistan then oil!!!!!!!!!
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:21 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
It's not rocket science, American and western politicians have got highly-developed noses when it comes to sniffing out oil, that's the only reason they're meddling in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has no oil.

The US has never tried to take Iraqi oil for ourselves, although at one point we did feel that it would be reasonable for Iraqi oil to fund the rebuilding of Iraq.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 12:30 pm
Guys, guys, if the West isn't after Iraq's and Afgh's oil, what on earth do you think they ARE after?

Like I said, Western politicos have got noses like sniffer dogs when it comes to oil, they'd dig up their own grannies back yards if they smelt it there..Smile
"Afghanistan's Amu-Darya basin is one of four areas in the north of the country that the US Geological Survey assessed to have between them 1.6 billion barrels of crude oil, 16 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 500m barrels of natural gas liquids"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10362079/War-torn-Afghanistan-issues-oil-and-gas-tender.html


However it's all gone pear-shaped, the West were hoping to help Iraq/Afghs governments get established so they could cut oil deals with them, but the insurgents ain't never gonna let it happen and are keeping both countries unstable.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 12:59 pm
@BillRM,
BP and Exxon has oil interests in Iraq.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 02:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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BP and Exxon has oil interests in Iraq.


True now the question is there any indication that they got one dollar more income due to the invasion.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 02:06 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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what on earth do you think they ARE after?


A stable area of the world that is not the breeding ground for terrorism just to start with and it is an important area due to their oil and other resources.

That does not mean that anyone is looking to ripped them off or steal their oil.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 02:12 pm
@BillRM,
From globalpolicy.org.
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Iraq has the world's second largest proven oil reserves. According to oil industry experts, new exploration will probably raise Iraq's reserves to 200+ billion barrels of high-grade crude, extraordinarily cheap to produce. The four giant firms located in the US and the UK have been keen to get back into Iraq, from which they were excluded with the nationalization of 1972. During the final years of the Saddam era, they envied companies from France, Russia, China, and elsewhere, who had obtained major contracts. But UN sanctions (kept in place by the US and the UK) kept those contracts inoperable. Since the invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003, much has changed. In the new setting, with Washington running the show, "friendly" companies expect to gain most of the lucrative oil deals that will be worth hundreds of billions of dollars in profits in the coming decades.

The Iraqi constitution of 2005, greatly influenced by US advisors, contains language that guarantees a major role for foreign companies. Negotiators hope soon to complete deals on Production Sharing Agreements that will give the companies control over dozens of fields, including the fabled super-giant Majnoon. But first the Parliament must pass a new oil sector investment law allowing foreign companies to assume a major role in the country. The US has threatened to withhold funding as well as financial and military support if the law does not soon pass. Although the Iraqi cabinet endorsed the draft law in July 2007, Parliament has balked at the legislation. Most Iraqis favor continued control by a national company and the powerful oil workers union strongly opposes de-nationalization. Iraq's political future is very much in flux, but oil remains the central feature of the political landscape.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 02:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Although the Iraqi cabinet endorsed the draft law in July 2007, Parliament has balked at the legislation.


An where did it state in that article that UK and or US oil companies gain from the invasion?
 

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