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During The American Revolutionary War, the state religion of Great Britain was Christianity?

 
 
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:34 am
@George,
George wrote:


oristarA makes no mention of parliament.


Not mentioning of it is for the convenience of explaining the central role of Jefferson in the war.

As the leading author of the Declaration, Jefferson is one of the greatest thinkers in American Revolution. The Declaration is exactly the soul of the Revolution, leading American soldiers to fight for liberty and independence.

oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:43 am
In battlefields, American people have Goerge Washington to lead them; In ideological field, American people have Thomas Jefferson to lead them.
One military, the other civil. It is the "great secret" of the success of American Revolution.
George
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:43 am
@oristarA,
Thank you.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:58 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

In battlefields, the American people had George Washington to lead them.
In the ideological field, the American people had Thomas Jefferson to lead them.
One is military; the other is civil.
That is the "great secret" of the success of the American Revolution.
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:59 am
In the Declaration, The Most High is the Laws of Nature, which are put in the first place by Jefferson, while in Christianity, God is always in the first place.


Quote:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


Jefferson mentioned no biblical God but Nature's God. It is a reformation of ideology. Or be frank, it is more or less anti-Christianity.

Led by the Laws of Nature, Americans won the war.

Led by the biblical God, Great Britain lost the war.


That is why I've said in the beginning of the thread:

oristarA wrote:

No wonder Thomas Jefferson said:"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
The success of American Independence demanded some degree of anti-Christianity to undermine the morale of the then Great Britain.




izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 09:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I thought the "great secret" was being on the same side as France.
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:

In battlefields, the American people had George Washington to lead them.
In the ideological field, the American people had Thomas Jefferson to lead them.
One is military; the other is civil.
That is the "great secret" of the success of the American Revolution.



Thank you Dave.
I used the present tense because Washington and Jefferson are still alive in the hearts of American People.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:03 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Led by the biblical God, Great Britain lost the war.
U have EVIDENCE of this ?

Did the English allege
that thay were being led by God ?
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:09 am
I just read a historical fact that France became an ally of the United States ( early 1778) angered Goerge III and his Parliament and escalated the conflict.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Led by the biblical God, Great Britain lost the war.
U have EVIDENCE of this ?

Did the English allege
that thay were being led by God ?


Goerge III had been the supreme head of Church of England all his life since his coronation. The biblical God is the Most High for him and for Great Britain.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 10:49 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Goerge III had been the supreme head of Church of England all his life since his coronation.
George III was the head of the Evangelical-Lutheran church ("summus episcŏpus") in Hannover (1760–1820), and the Supreme Governor of the Church of England (1761-1820).
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Goerge III had been the supreme head of Church of England all his life since his coronation.
George III was the head of the Evangelical-Lutheran church ("summus episcŏpus") in Hannover (1760–1820), and the Supreme Governor of the Church of England (1761-1820).


"Supreme head of Church of England" is a common expression.
Google it and get the impression.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 12:17 pm
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
"Supreme head of Church of England" is a common expression.
Google it and get the impression.
Quote:
http://i61.tinypic.com/14xl6og.jpg


Supreme Head of the Church of England was a title held by Kings Henry VIII and Edward VI of England, signifying their leadership of the Church of England.


For more about "head see the above mention Church of England website and the below linked quote.
Quote:
The See of Canterbury — that is, the cathedral, parishes and other communities and institutions that make up the Diocese — is the 'mother' church (diocese) of the Church of England. As its bishop the Archbishop is therefore the 'metropolitan' bishop of the whole of the ecclesiastical 'province' of Canterbury: that is, the 30 diocesan sees of southern England and the Diocese in Europe, in relation to which he has a permanent authority of jurisdiction. There are many legal and pastoral responsibilities wrapped up in this role (and it is paralleled by a similar relationship between the Diocese and Archbishop of York and the other 12 dioceses of northern England).
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 12:37 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The King of Hannover really was "summus episcŏpus" = the highest ranked bishop of the Evangelical-Lutheran Church of Hannover = Head and Supreme Governor.

All the British Hanoverian kings hold that title.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 04:41 pm
@oristarA,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Led by the biblical God, Great Britain lost the war.
U have EVIDENCE of this ?

Did the English allege
that thay were being led by God ?
oristarA wrote:
Goerge III had been the supreme head of Church of England all his life since his coronation.
The biblical God is the Most High for him and for Great Britain.
It does not follow from those facts
that God was leading English or Scotch troops,
nor that the King ALLEGED that God was doing so.

Indeed, if the King had adopted THAT philosophy of the American Revolution,
then he 'd have accused the Patriots of apostasy, heresy and possibly
of blasphemy for the Declaration of Independence.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 04:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I thought the "great secret" was being on the same side as France.
The French fleet confronted the English fleet in American water.
Accordingly, secrecy of the alliance was difficult to preserve.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 15 Sep, 2014 05:01 pm
@oristarA,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:

In battlefields, the American people had George Washington to lead them.
In the ideological field, the American people had Thomas Jefferson to lead them.
One is military; the other is civil.
That is the "great secret" of the success of the American Revolution.

oristarA wrote:
Thank you Dave.
I used the present tense because Washington and Jefferson are still alive in the hearts of American People.
Yes. That IS an accepted practice.
Thay live thru their writing.





David
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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2014 01:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

oristarA wrote:
Led by the biblical God, Great Britain lost the war.
U have EVIDENCE of this ?

Did the English allege
that thay were being led by God ?


Didn't the kings and queens of Great Britain always pray that God protect their country, their sovereignty? Isn't the military force of Great Britain an integrated part of their country, their sovereignty - so the army must be protected and guided by God? They are the supreme governor of Church of England, after all.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2014 03:56 am
This is about the silliest thread that I've read on A2K for a long time.

Most, if not all of it is utter bollocks.

Gives people a good chuckle though, if not taken too seriously.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2014 04:51 am
@Lordyaswas,
You aren't guided and protected by God even if you are a citizen of the UK, a subject of HMQ? Arg, you are a citizen of the European Union - sh¡t Europe/EU!
 

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