During The American Revolutionary War, the state religion of Great Britain was Christianity?

To call Set someone who doesn't know many historical facts and facts about the US-constitution is more than ridiculous.

Are you on drugs, oristarA?

The success of American Independence demanded some degree of anti-Christianity to undermine the morale of the then Great Britain.

One will note that the only contribution as a founder that is attributed to Jefferson is writing the Declaration of Independence. Leaving aside that his ideas were not original, and that most of his expressed ideas in fact came from George Wythe--it was a committee. Jefferson submitted a draft, which the committee then cut it down by a third or more. Even this contribution was tolerably paltry. The United States was already at war with Great Britain. They had battled the British at Lexington and Concord, and the long march back to Boston. They had battled them on Breed's Hill (often erroneously referred to as Bunker Hill). After Washington took command, he reorganized the army, and then took Dorchester Heights in a coup de main on a wintry March night in 1776, and moved artillery to the top of the heights. The British had no choice but to abandon Boston--they never returned.

For as stirring and inspirational as the declaration was, it did nothing material to establish American independence, nor to form an effective government. Jefferson did not serve in the military in the Revolution. His two successors as president, James Madison and James Monroe, did serve. Jefferson did not participate in the constitutional convention, nor did he actively participate in the ratification debates--he simply commented from a distance.

Others may gush over Jefferson's contribution. I don't see any evidence that he contributed anything substantive to American independence, nor the eventual establishment of an effective government. No matter what others may say, i see no reason to consider Jefferson a "founding father."

It is an either-or thing: 1) The majority of the historians is stupid; 2) Setanta is stupid. There's no other way around.

That is, these Bibles just serve as a reminder of American success in their struggle for Freedom. If you are smart enough, DON'T read them, or you'll get poisoned by the slaveholder thought.

oristarA wrote:

It is an either-or thing: 1) The majority of the historians is stupid; 2) Setanta is stupid. There's no other way around.

So you really think that "the majority of historians" hadn't noticed that George Mason’s draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights was published in the Pennsylvania Gazette about the same day as Jefferson might have started his writing?

Did you ever read something about American history by a serious historian????

Would you like to post the text of the Virginia Declaration of Rights here, so that I need not to search it out?

Virginia's Declaration of Rights was drawn upon by Thomas Jefferson for the opening paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence. It was widely copied by the other colonies and became the basis of the Bill of Rights. Written by George Mason, it was adopted by the Virginia Constitutional Convention on June 12, 1776.

Columbus announced that he had discovered America???

Columbus wrote in the letter on the first voyage that he had discovered and taken possession of a series of islands on the edge of the Indian Ocean in Asia.

In Latin: Epistola Christofori Colom: cui ...

("Letter of Christopher Columbus, to whom our age is much indebted, about the islands of India beyond the Ganges recently discovered, and to explore which he had been sent eight months before under the auspices and at the expense of the most invincible Ferdinand, King of Spain; to the magnificent lord Raphael Sanxis, Treasurer to the Most Serene King, which the noble and literate notary Aliander de Cosco converted from the Spanish language into Latin, third calends of May, 1493, during the first year of the pontificate of Alexander VI.")

[None of his letters in Spanish are mentioned by any writers before the 19th century, nor have any other copies been found, which suggests they were very small printings, and that the publication of Columbus' letter may have been suppressed in Spain by royal command.]

oristarA wrote:

It is an either-or thing: 1) The majority of the historians is stupid; 2) Setanta is stupid. There's no other way around.

So you really think that "the majority of historians" hadn't noticed that George Mason’s draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights was published in the Pennsylvania Gazette about the same day as Jefferson might have started his writing?

Did you ever read something about American history by a serious historian????

I see that Oristar is still avoiding the discussion of his gaffe about christianity by attempting to focus the discussion on Jefferson. As he clearly knows nothing about either topic, he's not doing himself a favor.

The so-called enlightenment died in the welter of blood that was the French Revolution. Jefferson was never a leader in the enlightenment (i suspect you've gone out to find a pro-Jefferson web site, and are just puking up what you've read there). One could say that Franklin was a leader in the enlightenment, but hardly Jefferson. Speaking many languages doesn't make someone automatically a good person.

The American Enlightenment is a period of intellectual ferment in the thirteen American colonies in the period 1714–1818, which led to the American Revolution, American Independence, the creation of the American Republic under the United States Constitution of 1787, the Bill of Rights in 1790, the development of Federal and State laws and institutions, the liberties defined in the constitution over the next three decades, and the War of 1812 or "Second War of Independence". Influenced by the 18th-century European Enlightenment, and its own native American Philosophy, the American Enlightenment applied scientific reasoning to politics, science, and religion, promoted religious tolerance, and restored literature, the arts, and music as important disciplines and professions worthy of study in colleges. The "new-model" American style colleges of King's College New York (now Columbia University), and the College of Philadelphia (now Penn) were founded, Yale College and the College of William & Mary were reformed, and a non-denominational moral philosophy replaced theology in many college curricula; even Puritan colleges such as the College of New Jersey (now Princeton) and Harvard reformed their curricula to include natural philosophy (science), modern astronomy, and math. The foremost representatives of the American Enlightenment included men who were Presidents of Colonial Colleges: Puritan religious leaders President Jonathan Edwards, President Thomas Clap, and President Ezra Stiles, and Anglican moral philosophers American President Samuel Johnson and Provost William Smith. It also included political thinkers John Adams, James Madison, James Wilson, and Alexander Hamilton, and polymaths Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson.

What is significant here, is that you're playing this idiotic game about Jefferson because you continue to attempt to avoid the gaffe you made about Americans--who were christians--allegedly attempting to attack christianity during the revolution. You have consistently refused to address this gross and hilarious error on your part.

Setanta wrote:

What is significant here, is that you're playing this idiotic game about Jefferson because you continue to attempt to avoid the gaffe you made about Americans--who were christians--allegedly attempting to attack christianity during the revolution. You have consistently refused to address this gross and hilarious error on your part.

You're still hiding behind your Jefferson smoke screen. It appears that you don't intend to ever address the gross error you made about Americans and christianity.