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Americans in Iraq Attacked W Bomb Containing Nerve Gas (WMD)

 
 
Boy Genius
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 06:53 pm
You gotta ask yourself 3 things.

1. Who said it contained Sarin?

2. Who invaded because they claimed Saddam could launch a full scale attack in under 10 minutes?

3. Who is always claiming they find mobile labs etc, then later say "our tests showed no evidence" - that's always buried on page 20 of your local paper, so some of you might not have read about it.

The answers to all of the above, George I - King of America.

I won't believe a word of it until someone sends me a report from an unbiased lab, until then I 'm gonna give this all the consideration it's worth.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 06:56 pm
From LLRHood's link--

Iraqi Scientist: You Will Find More

Gazi George, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist under Saddam's regime, told Fox News he believes many similar weapons stockpiled by the former regime were either buried underground or transported to Syria. He noted that the airport where the device was detonated is on the way to Baghdad from the Syrian border.

George said the finding likely will be the first in a series of discoveries of such weapons.

"Saddam is the type who will not store those materials in a military warehouse. He's gonna store them either underground, or, as I said, lots of them have gone west to Syria and are being brought back with the insurgencies," George told Fox News. "It is difficult to look in areas that are not obvious to the military's eyes.

"I'm sure they're going to find more once time passes," he continued, saying one year is not enough for the survey group or the military to find the weapons.

Saddam, when he was in power, had declared that he did in fact possess mustard-gas filled artilleries but none that included sarin.

"I think what we found today, the sarin in some ways, although it's a nerve gas, it's a lucky situation sarin detonated in the way it did ... it's not as dangerous as the cocktails Saddam used to make, mixing blister" agents with other gases and substances, George said.
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Boy Genius
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:00 pm
FOX News? That's a reliabe news outlet.

No WMD are going to be found, it's not gonna happen.

Just more soldiers getting kiled everyday because King George I can't admit he didn't know WT* he was doing.
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:36 pm
"Gazi George?"

"Fox News?"

Oh my, the Bushites just can't wean themselves off this story.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:38 pm
He was a nuclear scientist for Saddam.

You think you know more than he does?
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:43 pm
You think you know more than he does?

No, but you seem to think you know more than Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld says it wasn't necessarily sarin.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 08:05 pm
He's being incredibly correct, so the news hounds don't call him a liar later.

The chemicals--if they had mixed correctly--would have produced sarin. If all the other news orgs have it right.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 08:07 pm
I think there is a confusion between what constitutes a WMD and what is outlawed weaponry in the articles of the Geneva Convention. Gas and biological weapons predate nuclear weapons -- there has to be a delivery system and quantity for it to kill large numbers of people. Cluster bombs could be construed to be WMD and we've used those.
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JimmyK
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 08:09 pm
How come everyone is flipping out?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 08:17 pm
Rumsfled doesn't want to be caught with his pants down again (what a horrible thought) -- he's cautioning that a field test is not conclusive and it will be several days before a lab confirms it is Sarin.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 09:08 pm
Quote:
The main reason we were concerned about Saddam getting WMD was the transfer to terrorists. He is no fool, and knows if he launched WMD, we damn well know the return address... Things are much murkier when they are delivered by terrorists. We have little recourse. Bush made it clear that if Saddam used WMD on our troops, we would respond in kind.


So what your telling me is that this guy had these weapons but he was too afraid to use them when he was being invaded because we would use ours in return, instead he would rather give his weapons to terrorist and then go to a hole in the ground and let the US just take over his country and hope that the insurgents can sneak enough terrorist type attacks so that we would give up and go away and then he could crawl out of his hole in the ground and claim victory?

I just find that too incredible to believe. The whole theory is based on things that might happen and is very far fetched.

Anyway, like I said, to me the WMD was not such an issue for me to begin with.

There are countries all over the world that has those kinds of weapons that Saddam had and that have just as much ties to terrorist, yet we didn't invade them.


However, it sounds good and it throws the scent off the abuse scandal. I don't think it will work though.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 11:32 pm
revel wrote:
Now, the shell was apparently not marked, and every indication at the moment is whoever put it there as an explosive device had no idea what was inside.....There was some dispersal of some agent. A couple of soldiers did experience some minor symptoms. But this is not a WMD attack, because the way these types of shells are constructed, they are really only most lethal when they are fired from an artillery tube. They move through the air. The lethal agent mixes together, it explodes, and that's when these are real trouble.

Nerve gas missiles are WMD by definition, and were said not to exist anymore. The fact that the people who used it didn't know what they had and used it incompetently doesn't make it any less a nerve gas missile. Geez, some basic logic here.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 11:39 pm
Brandon, You're right! However, one weapon with sarin does not make a threat against the US or anybody else. 1) No delivery system, 2) the people that used it probably didn't know it had sarin, and 3) we don't know how old the damn thing is - it might be one that survived from before 1991. Bush and his minions said Saddam had an active WMD program after 2001.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 05:22 am
The Russians probably still have old weapons that were leftover from the cold war, they probably don't know where they are. Someone or terrorist could find those weapons and use them. Does that mean the Russians are still having a cold war on their own secretly or giving weapons to terrorist?

(just an example)
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 05:30 am
You all need to realize that by now the "Busheep" are really clutching at straws to try and believe their "Shepherd"--the "Sheepdogs" (FOX, etc) are helping as well.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 05:40 am
I find it strange that the right accuses the left of being happy about anything the bush administration is wrong about, no matter the consequences to America or Americans and find it so morally abhorrent, and yet they are now so gleeful that a possible WMD has been found they are creaming their jeans over it without a thought to the actual cost of the bomb going off.
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L R R Hood
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 06:16 am
Iraq said they destroyed all of their chemical and biological weapons before we went over there, right? And now there's a bomb containing nerve gas? Where did that come from then?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/18/iraq.main/index.html

Its obvious that Saddam was not honest, was not playing by the rules... I don't think its a secret that he had bad intentions in the long run.

Like I said before, I don't care if they find WMD's. The US military has stopped a lot of horrible things that were going on over there, and that's what I'm encouraging people to focus on.

I wish republicans and democrats would stop the mudslinging and look at this with open eyes.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 06:24 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon, You're right! However, one weapon with sarin does not make a threat against the US or anybody else. 1) No delivery system, 2) the people that used it probably didn't know it had sarin, and 3) we don't know how old the damn thing is - it might be one that survived from before 1991. Bush and his minions said Saddam had an active WMD program after 2001.

1. They certainly do have a delivery system. No one seriously believes Hussein would have fired a missile at us from Iraq, even had he been able to. Too easy to tell who was responsible that way. Surely for such an unequal contest, the delivery system would be to bring the components of the weapon into the US and assemble it here, which is something that would have been totally within their ability. So, of course they have a delivery system.
2. Whether the people who used it knew what they had or not, is irrelevant. We were promised that they had no WMD. I'm sure that before we removed their government, the people who built or purchased these knew what they had built or purchased.
3. When you say one sarin weapon doesn't make a threat against the US or anybody else you're wrong. First of all, one nerve gas missile, used by people who know how, could probably kill a lot of Americans - probably more than 9/11. Secondly, our thinking is, of course, that since they have used one, there are more somewhere. Whether it was made a long time ago or recently, they could have used it, swore they didn't have it, and it is the type of thing we went in to find. Bush, and his minions - all several million of us - said, correctly, that the totality of the history of our dealings with Hussein made the possibility that he still had WMD an unacceptable risk, considering the deadliness of the weapons.

And just by the way, this situation in which a terrible dictator attempts to acquire WMD covertly, is now going to happen again and again, since the weapons are becoming easier to acquire as technology marches forward, and since such people often want such things. Iraq was just the leading edge of the phenomenon.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 06:25 am
L.R.R.Hood wrote:
Like I said before, I don't care if they find WMD's. The US military has stopped a lot of horrible things that were going on over there, and that's what I'm encouraging people to focus on..


many old, horrible things have been stopped.......and replaced by all new horrible things!!!!!!

That's the thing about war, nothing is accomplished but everything stays fresh and interesting......
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 06:28 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
That's the thing about war, nothing is accomplished ......

Kind of seems like we accomplished something in WW2, the American Revolution, etc. Offhand, I'd say this is a blatantly untrue statement.
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