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Israel's Reality

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Wed 6 Aug, 2014 04:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I'm not equating the current Gaza war with the Holocaust, just saying that Israel appears ready and willing to move there, judging from the growing discourse about "genocide is A-ok" in their ranks.


BillRM is a convert. He's already said Israel had "fine and valid reasons" for wiping out the Palestinians.

You won't get him to say genocide is a bad thing. He's still moist from reading the names of all the dead Palestinian children.
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mysteryman
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 01:32 am
@Frank Apisa,
You are right.
It was written more out of frustration than anything else, and I didnt take the time to re-read it before I posted it.

I ask everyone to ignore that post, and pretend it isnt there.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:12 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

You are right.
It was written more out of frustration than anything else, and I didnt take the time to re-read it before I posted it.

I ask everyone to ignore that post, and pretend it isnt there.


Already done by me, MM. I figured you were just frustrated by some of the Israeli defenders here being so short-sighted.

I've gone off the reservation a few times myself in the past...and regretted posting something that should have been given more thought. That is one of the reasons I never send out a letter-to-the-editor without Nancy reading it through and commenting...because doing that here in a forum is one thing, but doing it in a newspaper is something else entirely.

Keep fighting the good fight!
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buttflake
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:10 am
Quote:
‘In 1971, Muslims murdered 2.4 million Hindus and raped 200,000 Hindu women’


Looks like Israel isn't anywhere near as efficient as the Pakistani Muslims.

Quote:
At independence Pakistan’s population was about ten percent Hindu and Sikh. Now it’s less than one percent. So the question is where did that nine percent go? Well, they were either ethnically cleansed, driven away, or slaughtered in large numbers in the 1971 war between India and Pakistan. In East Pakistan an estimated 2.4 million Hindus were slaughtered in just one year, and hundreds of thousands of Hindu women were raped.


http://ibloga.blogspot.com/

This is not that long ago.
Why are Muslims the victims? They are not. They have been, and are, the aggressors
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:20 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

You are right.
It was written more out of frustration than anything else, and I didnt take the time to re-read it before I posted it.

I ask everyone to ignore that post, and pretend it isnt there.


Be that as it may, it remains the most dovish comment posted by a pro Israeli supporter on these threads since the whole thing in Gaza kicked off.
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buttflake
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:48 am
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/hamas_human_shields.jpg
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:52 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
I mean, it's really none of our business is it?

If our friend and ally is under attack, that is very much our business.

As an Englishman I don't regard Israel or the Palestinians as our friends, what have they ever done for us?

As an American I regard Israel as one of our closest friends.

I do not pick my friends based on how much I can use them to my own advantage.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:54 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Look how tiny and insignificant Israel is on the world map, so if they were snuffed out like a candle the rest of the world would hardly notice they'd gone.

They'd notice all the thermocuclear warheads landing on their heads I bet.


Romeo Fabulini wrote:
They've only existed this long because the West has been propping them up with cash and super-duper weaponry for 50 years.

Israel defeated combined Arab invasions, multiple times, long before they started receiving that assistance.


Romeo Fabulini wrote:
How do US and Brit taxpayers feel about their taxes being used to buy shells and missiles and stuff for Israel?

The US is pleased and delighted to be able to help Israel.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:55 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
When the muslim world gets its hands on suitcase nukes they'll smuggle a dozen or more into Israeli cities and detonate them simultaneously and it'll be 'adios Israel'.

Only the US and Russia have conducted the tests necessary to create a suitcase nuke. Neither state is inclined to provide such weapons to terrorists.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:55 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
They have a strange understanding of "never again". For them it means: "never again to us, but we can do it to other people alright".

You are despicable.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 09:56 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Suitcase-bombers won't check in and out of airports! They could for example simply cross the Israeli border in helicopters and drop them out on a time-fuse.

Again, only the US and Russia have conducted the tests necessary to create a suitcase nuke. Neither state is inclined to provide such weapons to terrorists.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 10:25 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
Israel is top of the muslim hate list so they'll probably get hit first, then they'll high-five for a while before thinking about hitting the West.
Heck, with Israel out of the frame, muslims might even decide not to hit the West at all..Smile

That is completely wrong. The West is their primary target.

They will not pay attention to Israel until they have first eliminated the West.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 10:26 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:
I couldn't care less whats going on with ISIS in Iraq, it's none of my business..Smile
And as long as we pull our troops out of Iraq/Afgh and anywhere else that doesn't concern us, ISIS will have no beef with us..Smile

ISIS intends to conquer the entire world and commit genocide against all non-Muslims.

They are no longer ISIS, by the way. They are now just plain IS (Islamic State), with no geographic limitations in the title.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 10:27 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I'm not equating the current Gaza war with the Holocaust, just saying that Israel appears ready and willing to move there, judging from the growing discourse about "genocide is A-ok" in their ranks.

That should be taken in context of the fact that Israel is currently being falsely accused of genocide.

Also, any proposed massacre of Palestinians should be understood in light of the Palestinians' relentless attacks on Israel. In the Holocaust, the Jews were not relentlessly attacking the Nazis.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 12:02 pm
Quote:
Oralloy said: ISIS intends to conquer the entire world and commit genocide against all non-Muslims.
They are no longer ISIS, by the way. They are now just plain IS (Islamic State), with no geographic limitations in the title.

Whatever they call themselves, they've got about as much chance of conquering the world as I've got of dating Tinkerbell the Fairy..Smile
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 12:54 pm
Stephen Harper's Strong Support of Israel
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 05:31 pm

Palestinians returning home find Israeli troops left faeces and venomous graffiti
Ahmed Owedat also found soldiers had thrown his TVs, fridge, and computers from upstairs windows and slashed furniture

Harriet Sherwood in Burij
The Guardian, Thursday 7 August 2014 12.21 EDT

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/7/1407428458837/Graffiti-in-Palestinians--011.jpg

Graffiti in Palestinian's home
Some of the graffiti Ahmed Owedat found on returning to his home in the town of Burij. Photograph: Harriet Sherwood

When Ahmed Owedat returned to his home 18 days after Israeli soldiers took it over in the middle of the night, he was greeted with an overpowering stench.

He picked through the wreckage of his possessions thrown from upstairs windows to find that the departing troops had left a number of messages. One came from piles of faeces on his tiled floors and in wastepaper baskets, and a plastic bottle filled with urine.

If that was not clear enough, the words "**** Hamas" had been carved into a concrete wall in the staircase. "Burn Gaza down" and "Good Arab = dead Arab" were engraved on a coffee table. The star of David was drawn in blue in a bedroom.

"I have scrubbed the floors three times today and three times yesterday," said Owedat, 52, as he surveyed the damage, which included four televisions, a fridge, a clock and several computers tossed out of windows, shredded curtains and slashed soft furnishings.

A handful of plastic chairs had their seats ripped open, through which the occupying soldiers defecated, he said. Gaping holes had been blown in four ground-floor external walls, and there was damage from shelling to the top floor. There, in the living room, diagrams had been drawn on the walls, showing buildings and palm trees in the village, with figures that Owedat thought represented their distance from the border.

"I have no money to fix this," he said, claiming that his life savings of $10,000 (£6,000) were missing from his apartment. But at least it could be repaired, he acknowledged, gesturing through the broken glass at a wasteland stretching towards the Israel-Gaza border 3km away. "Every house between here and there has been destroyed."

His family of 13 fled their home after seeing troops and tanks advancing at 1am on 20 July, two days into the Israeli ground invasion. Several times, during the short-lived ceasefires in the following two weeks, they attempted to return only to find Israeli troops in their home instructing them to keep away.

The Israel Defence Forces did not respond to a request for comment.

Half an hour's drive north, a similar picture was found at Beit Hanoun girls' school, taken over by the IDF following the ground operation. Broken glass and rubble littered the floors and stairs. Tables and desks were covered in the abandoned detritus of an occupying army: hardened bread rolls, empty tins of hummus, desiccated olives, cans of energy drinks, bullet casings. Flies buzzed around the rotting food.

Here too, said the school's caretaker, Fayez, who didn't want to give his full name, soldiers had defecated in bins and cardboard boxes, and urinated in water bottles. "You will be fucked here" and "Don't forget it's time for you to die" were chalked in English on blackboards.

Here, Hamas had struck back. After the troops pulled out, counter-graffiti was sprayed on the walls, referring to Hamas's militant wing, Qassam brigades. "Qassam's army will crush you – dogs" and "Israel will be defeated".

The 1,250 pupils at the school will, it is hoped, never see either set of venomous messages. Workers began the marathon cleanup operation this week but, said Fayez, "it will take at least a month to fix". The academic year is due to begin in a little over two weeks.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 05:34 pm
Quote:
Article quote: Some of the graffiti Ahmed Owedat found on returning to his home

Cheer up Ahmed, at least they left your house standing..Wink
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 07:48 pm
"A Hideous Atrocity": Noam Chomsky on Israel's Assault on Gaza & U.S. Support for the Occupation

buttflake
 
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Thu 7 Aug, 2014 08:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Chomsky is a jerk.
Quote:
The Chomsky Hoax

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomskyhoax.html
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