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Malaysia Airlines jet crashes in Ukraine

 
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 08:23 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Lordyaswas wrote:
They have since been taken down off social media, but he did a google cache search and got them.

You better run and go troll them then. How dare they rescue images that Putin is trying to hide from the world.


Take it up with the news channel, oral, as I was only passing on their info,

Are you lacking attention tonight, or something?

Diddums.


oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:36 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
**** you.

No need to throw a tantrum. Just stop taking your total ignorance of a subject as license to babble about it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Hopefully this is not like the Syrian gas chemical attacks where it is never nailed down who did it. We can not assume that it was the Rebels, as this is the worst thing that could happen to Putin, the pro government forces had more motive to do this than the Rebels did. It might have been a Rebel ooops, but we need to find out.

It's pretty clear that the nerve gas attack in Syria could only have been carried out by Assad.

So far as I can see, the only plausible scenario in this crash is rebel accident. Putin has been giving the rebels advanced equipment that they lack any ability to handle.

I posted just this morning in the Ukraine war thread about a Ukrainian fighter jet being shot down. Ukraine alleged that it was shot down by a Russian fighter jet, but now I'm guessing that it was these new advanced missile systems that the rebels were given.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:37 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Lordyaswas wrote:
They have since been taken down off social media, but he did a google cache search and got them.

You better run and go troll them then. How dare they rescue images that Putin is trying to hide from the world.

Take it up with the news channel, oral,

My "how dare they" comment was sarcasm. I have not had a change of heart and decided to help you cover up for Putin.

If you want to keep trolling people who foil Putin's cover-ups, you're going to have to do it on your own.


Lordyaswas wrote:
Are you lacking attention tonight, or something?

No. I just thought it was funny seeing you (of all people) post innocently about an effort to foil one of Putin's cover ups.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 12:33 am

Is there some reason the media always feels the need to broadcast images of sobbing next-of-kin going into an airport after a bad plane crash?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 01:05 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:


Is there some reason the media always feels the need to broadcast images of sobbing next-of-kin going into an airport after a bad plane crash?

got to have something to fill the airtime....today I was at the hospital where CNN was on ( I dont watch tv news generally)...I got to listen to Shepard Smith say the same half dozen comments about the crash over and over again, then some woman at a remote location (another part of the studio?) do it all over again. It is a trick to fill up hours of airtime when all you know is that a plane is down, how many were on it, where it is, where it was supposed to be, and to speculate on why it is down when you have zero facts. It reminds me of a few weeks ago when my daughter and I went to see "Porgy and Bess" and at the end my daughter said " they took over two hours to tell 20 minutes of story".

Boredom sets in.

Oh Ya, the reason....American journalism sucks.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:03 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Oh Ya, the reason....American journalism sucks.

True, but this time I saw it on BBC.

I don't mind if reporters babble to fill airtime, but when it comes to getting close ups of grieving relatives arriving at the airport, it just seems too much.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:07 am

SYDNEY (AP) -- A large number of world-renowned AIDS researchers and activists heading to an international AIDS conference in Australia were on board a Malaysian jetliner that was shot down over Ukraine, officials said Friday, as news of their deaths sparked an outpouring of grief across the global scientific community.

There have been unconfirmed reports that up to 100 people on board the Boeing 777 were en route to the Victoria state capital of Melbourne to attend the 20th International AIDS conference, which starts Sunday, Victoria Premier Denis Napthine said, though he hastened to add that reports were conflicting and it was far too premature to give a precise figure.

"There's been confirmed a number of senior people who were coming out here who were researchers, who were medical scientists, doctors, people who've been to the forefront of dealing with AIDS across the world," Napthine told reporters in Melbourne. "The exact number is not yet known, but there is no doubt it's a substantial number.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/article/AIDS-conference-attendees-on-downed-Malaysian-jet-5629828.php
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 10:13 am

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. - Indiana University has learned that Karlijn Keijzer, a doctoral student in the chemistry department in the IU College of Arts and Sciences, was among the passengers on Malaysia Air Flight 17, which crashed Thursday, July 17, leaving no survivors. Keijzer, 25, earned her master's degree from VU University in Amsterdam in Computational Pharmicochemistry and was a member of the women's rowing team during the 2011 season.

"On behalf of the entire Indiana University community, I want to express my deepest sympathies to Karlijn's family and friends over her tragic death," Indiana University President Michael A. McRobbie said. "Karlijn was an outstanding student and a talented athlete, and her passing is a loss to the campus and the university. Our hearts also go out to the families of all the victims of this senseless act."

Keijzer was a member of IU's Varsity 8 boat during the 2011 season, helping them to a 14-5 record. She earned Collegiate Rowing Coaches Association (CRCA) Scholar-Athlete honors as well as Academic All-Big Ten accolades following the 2011 season. A decorated junior rower, Keijzer participated in the European Rowing Junior Championships in 2006 and the World Rowing Junior Championships in 2007.

"The Indiana Rowing family is deeply saddened by the news of Karlijn's sudden passing," Indiana head rowing coach Steve Peterson said. "She came to us for one year as a graduate student and truly wanted to pursue rowing. That year was the first year we really started to make a mark with the First Varsity 8 boat and she was a huge reason for it. She was a phenomenal student and loved IU so much that she stayed here after she earned her master's degree. Our condolences go out to her family and friends in this very tough time."

http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/w-rowing/spec-rel/071814aac.html
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 12:45 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Hardly any facts are known yet about the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. What is certain is that the plane left Amsterdam for Kuala Lumpur at 12:15 p.m. local time on Thursday (17.07.2014). The airline lost contact with the plane four hours later. The aircraft went down near the eastern Ukrainian town of Shakhtersk, roughly 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the Russian border. All 298 people on board are assumed dead.
Precisely this lack of facts has created a fertile breeding ground for speculation.

http://www.dw.de/accusations-and-speculation-about-mh17-abound/a-17794422

And desperate attempts to fill airtime.

We have here a troubled new airplane model operated by a deeply troubled airline that has now lost two large airplanes in the last few months, nothing should be assumed because this one crashed in a warzone.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 01:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
Trying to blame the airline for a terrorist attack on their airplane that killed 298 people are uncalled for, and mostly ignorant of issues pertaining to flight safety for all the people who fly around this world.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 01:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One American was also on that plane.

Quote:
But, noting the global impact of the crash, with victims from 11 countries across four continents, he said the stakes were high for Europe, a clear call for it to follow the more robust sanctions on Russia already imposed by Washington.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:28 pm
Horrible, horrible, horrible, that's all I can say.

This is a pretty good article re the passengers -

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-victims-family-that-lost-relatives-in-mh370-loses-another-in-ukraine/
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Trying to blame the airline for a terrorist attack on their airplane that killed 298 people are uncalled for, and mostly ignorant of issues pertaining to flight safety for all the people who fly around this world.

It is not proven that a missile hit this plane. The US gov has made the claim, but at the moment this is not proven. The US should present proof if it has any.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
That's the only reliable information we have; media news. That you have the audacity to question those people who has some knowledge about the situation only proves you're way over your head when you speak about most subjects.

Your assumptions are worthless babble without further proof.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 02:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
U.S. intelligence authorities said a surface-to-air missile brought down the plane, and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council in New York on Friday that the missile was likely fired from a rebel-held area near the Russian border.


Of coarse, we all know Hawk has more knowledge about these things. LOL
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
U.S. intelligence authorities said a surface-to-air missile brought down the plane, and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council in New York on Friday that the missile was likely fired from a rebel-held area near the Russian border.


Of coarse, we all know Hawk has more knowledge about these things. LOL


show me the film. The US government has no credibility without evidence.

BTW, The US ambassador gave us a guess as to where a missile that may or may not have existed was fired from, and gave not even claims to have any evidence of who fired it. They pulled the same act with Syria, claiming that chemical shells probably came from areas they claim are controlled by the rebels, with no evidence of who did it. It the case of syria especially it would have been very easy for a few guys to cross over to rebel territory for an hour or so to launch, and then go back to their side.....where the shells were fired from means a whole lot less than the US government claims.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
No, what I said was "the intelligence community has more credibility than you."

Nobody has proven anything yet, but based on the information shared by "those in the know," it's possible the Russians destroyed all the evidence of what happened. That sounds a lot more credible than your 'guesses.'

The only people who could have provided the surface to air missile to any pro-Russian group is Russia.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Nobody has proven anything yet, but based on the information shared by "those in the know," it's possible the Russians destroyed all the evidence of what happened. That sounds a lot more credible than your 'guesses.'


Based upon what we know now it is possible that the 777 is a poorly designed plane and that this one broke up at 33,000 feet. Wake me when and if we know more.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 04:56 pm
There is a pro Russian web site that is asserting Putin's own plane flew near the scene of the plane crash about the same time as the Malaysian one. They are claiming it was a failed attempt to assassinate Putin. But I am sure that if it were true American surveillance would have known that.
 

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