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Malaysia Airlines jet crashes in Ukraine

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 01:25 am
@izzythepush,
This singing kat(sung) doesn't know what he's talking about. In 2011, the US dollar was worth 27 Russian rubles. Today, the US dollar is worth 37 Russian rubles. The Russian ruble lost 37% value against the US dollar in those three years. It's funny how singing kat believes the Euro is going to replace the US dollar. Why would the Euro countries want Russian rubles when it's losing value at that rate? LOL

Even the Euro is increasing value against the US dollar, and the recent exchange rate is about 1.30 Euro to the US dollar. How can Russia afford to buy from their biggest trading partners while their currencies loses value?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 01:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
He's a sockpuppet, parroting the mantras that go down very well in a country with a long tradition of telling its people what to think. They don't tend to play so well over here mind you.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 01:59 am
@izzythepush,
Putin is pretty brave with his military in Eastern Ukraine and the threats he's making against the European countries. It looks like Putin is ready for war, and the European countries are talking about sanctions. I think Putin is going to win this one! He's playing chicken, and seems undaunted by anyone.

Quote:
EU threatens Russia with more sanctions
Associated Press By JUERGEN BAETZ and JIM HEINTZ
August 30, 2014 8:25 PM

BRUSSELS (AP) — Despite tough rhetoric decrying Russia's increasing military involvement in Ukraine, European Union leaders on Sunday stopped short of imposing new sanctions against Moscow right away.

Instead, the 28-nation bloc's heads of state and government tasked their executive body to "urgently" prepare tougher economic sanctions that could be adopted within a week, according to EU summit chairman Herman Van Rompuy.

The decision on new sanctions will depend on the evolution of the situation on the ground but "everybody is fully aware that we have to act quickly," he added. The EU leaders call on Russia to "immediately withdraw all its military assets and forces from Ukraine," they said in a joint statement.

NATO said this week that at least 1,000 Russian soldiers are in Ukraine. Russia denies that. NATO also says Russia has amassed some 20,000 troops just across Ukraine's eastern border, which could rapidly carry out a full-scale invasion.

The fighting between the military and Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine has so far claimed 2,600 lives, according to U.N. figures.

The U.S. and the EU have so far imposed sanctions against dozens of Russian officials, several companies as well as the country's financial and arms industry. Moscow has retaliated by banning food imports.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the new sanctions would target the same sectors as previous punitive measures, which also included an export ban for some high technology and oil exploration equipment.

"If Russia continues to escalate the crisis it will come with a high cost," said EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso. "It's time for everyone to get down to the business of peace-making. It is not too late, but time is quickly running out," he said.

Several European leaders had called for additional sanctions at the outset of the meeting in Brussels, but the fear of an economic backlash apparently prevailed and led the bloc to grant Russia another chance at avoiding tougher action. New sanctions would have required unanimity among the leaders.

Russia is the EU's No. 3 trading partner and one of its biggest oil and gas suppliers. The EU, in turn, is Russia's biggest commercial partner, making any sanctions more biting than similar measures adopted by the U.S.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 05:01 am
@cicerone imposter,
I don't think he's daft enough to try it on with a NATO member. We need to keep up the sanctions until there is a credible peace plan and Russian troops are out of Ukraine.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 05:56 am
@izzythepush,
I'm just wondering how much longer this tit for tat is going to go on!
Quote:
Several European leaders had called for additional sanctions at the outset of the meeting in Brussels, but the fear of an economic backlash apparently prevailed and led the bloc to grant Russia another chance at avoiding tougher action. New sanctions would have required unanimity among the leaders.

Russia is the EU's No. 3 trading partner and one of its biggest oil and gas suppliers. The EU, in turn, is Russia's biggest commercial partner, making any sanctions more biting than similar measures adopted by the U.S.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 06:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
Some countries are more reliant on Russian gas/oil than others. It's always a problem when dealing with a large group of countries.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 01:12 pm
@izzythepush,
I understand. Just wondering where that fence is on Russia's aggression against a neighboring state.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 02:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
A neighbouring state, but not a member state. There is peace of a sort right now, and tougher sanctions are being implemented, (whether or not they're tough enough is another matter,) so it's a case of wait and see.

Putin is looking good at home right now, I don't know whether or not that makes peace more likely, he might feel emboldened.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2014 03:44 pm
@izzythepush,
Did you hear what Obama said about protecting Ukraine? "Support the government and people of Ukraine."

From John Stewart.
Quote:
Stewart aired a clip of a speech Obama delivered yesterday, subsequently mocking the pace at which the commander in chief spoke aboutRussia’s actions. As Mediate noted, the president’s comments “seemed to be really… extremely… rather strikingly… slow.”
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katsung47
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 01:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You'd better ask why did these Dutch intellectuals singing.

Quote:
Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014

A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe. The letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its entirety.

https://www.nieuws.nl/media/bspnmemwhqvx4tfw11gfkums2-w620-h352-q90-f-bececed/Professor_Cees_Hamelink_UvA_hq_Novum.jpg

Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/
parados
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 11:40 am
@katsung47,
The preliminary report by the Netherlands without Russian spin can be found here.

http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Sep, 2014 03:07 am
@parados,
Survivors of German victims of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 downed over Ukraine plan to sue the country and its president for manslaughter by negligence in 298 cases, their lawyer, professor of aviation law Elmar Giemull said today.
reuters report
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2014 11:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In an interview, the Dutch official leading the investigation of the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine addresses reports that German intelligence is convinced the plane got shot down by pro-Russian separatists.

Chief MH17 Investigator on German Claims: 'We Will Need Evidence'
katsung47
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2014 06:40 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
"In an Oct. 8 presentation given to members of the parliamentary control committee, the Bundestag body responsible for monitoring the work of German intelligence, BND President Gerhard Schindler provided ample evidence to back up his case, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence. The BND has intelligence indicating that pro-Russian separatists captured a BUK air defense missile system at a Ukrainian military base and fired a missile on July 17 that exploded in direct proximity to the Malaysian aircraft, which had been carrying 298 people."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 97972.html


This is disinformation from west intelligence to meddle the water. It's not an AK-47 rifle. It's a system need a well trained professional team to operate. Do you think the pro-Russia militia shot it by pushing a button?

Quote:
The Buk is a mobile, radar-guided surface to air missile (SAM) missile system with all four main components — acquisition and targeting radars, a command element, missile launchers, and a logistics element — mounted on tracked vehicles

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Buk-M1-2_air_defence_system_in_2010.jpg/300px-Buk-M1-2_air_defence_system_in_2010.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 09:49 pm
@katsung47,
So that's how make your living:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2015 10:25 pm
@hingehead,
Good read.
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