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Israel's Shame

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 02:50 pm
Quote:
Israeli naval shelling kills four boys on Gaza beach: medics


Might of Israel makes them into a terrorist country; they have no conscience about killing children.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Might of Israel makes them into a terrorist country; they have no conscience about killing children.


Strange and far more then double thinking as you have zero problems with the random shooting of hundreds of unguided missiles with 600 pound warheads into Israel a terrorist act if there is ever a terrorist act.

Guess in your world view Jews should be targets for random killings including men women and children.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
The 'random shooting of missiles' vs the intentional killing by Israel has no comparison based on humanity and ethics.

Power makes might in the wrong hands is indeed inhumane.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:25 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

The firing of pathetic scrap metal rockets from impoverished Gaza, which have killed no one...


See?

"Pathetic scrap metal rockets."

Of course one has killed an Israeli citizen, but that's A-OK for JTT, izzy, ECY, CI and other critics of Israel who make so much out of the deaths of Palestinian civilians.

The lives of Israeli civilians are not more valuable than those of Palestinian civilians, but you would think that folks who make the killing of civilians such a hallmark of their case against Israel would at least acknowledge when an Israeli civilian is killed. They don't of course, because Israel's killing of civilians is evil oppression while Palestinian killing of civilians is necessary and quite possible even deserved.

I don't doubt that there aren't some small number (both Israeli and non-Israeli) who cheer the deaths of any Palestinian but we have clear evidence that the Palestinians cheer the death of Israeli citizens, and American citizens too:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hamas-kids.jpg


http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/images/articles/911/ein-el-hilweh-01.jpg
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh so random killing killing are ok with you as long as the victims are likely to be Jews?

You would have no problem if someone was placing bombs or shooting missiles into Tel Aviv correct?

How about a Jewish areas of New York City or London or Paris?

Is killing Jews no matter where they happen to live ok with you?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:32 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Hey, Finn, you ******* liar. Show me where I said it was okay to kill any Israeli?

Quit making up bull shyt if you have any ethics at all!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So, how many more 'humanitarian pauses' is Israel going to provide in the future before they continue to kill innocent Palestinian men, women and children with their superior war machine?

"Humanitarian pause" is an oxymoron.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:47 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
A billion dollars system firing 100,000 dollars interceptor rockets and some luck had kept the death toll down to one person in Israel but it was not from lack of trying that Jews by the thousands was not killed as Londoners was killed in WW2 by way of V1 and V2.

As those missiles are no more scrap metal weapons then was the V1 or the V2 and without both luck and very high tech they would be killing thousands.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I don't think izzy will be buying me that beer anytime soon JTT

What a shame, J, and here you probably thought hatred of Israel would make you one of the guys or at least one of the best of humanity, the real humanity.

You can still try making pals with infrablue (or Big Ego - where did he run off to?). The two of you can dish out cut&pasta from Noam Chomsky's kitchen and refer to Israel as the Zionist Entity. Maybe you can even paint each other's fingernails like this:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/07/95/13/079513c6fa99ed7a1266a431295c4c6b.jpg

Nice. Do you know where I can get "Down with the Zionist Entity" bumper stickers?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Exactl, nobody said killing Israelis was OK, but Finn makes a big song and dance about 1 Israeli while the deaths of 200+ Palestinians leave him cold, if not gloating like Oralboy.

Why is it so bad for some Palestinians to talk about killing Israelis (and Americans) but it's perfectly acceptable for Israelis to do the actual killing.

Imagine if they did that at school. " Tommy, I heard you tell Jimmy you wanted to kill him, so you'll be going to prison for at least five years. You won't be let out until you say sorry, and Jimmy will slaughter your entire family as a precaution."
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 03:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The lives of Israeli civilians are not more valuable than those of Palestinian civilians,

That depends.

"Dead Palestinians" are likely to be complete fabrications. I would count a fabricated Palestinian death as less important than an actual murdered Israeli.

Further, any Palestinian deaths that are not fabricated, are collateral damage from Israel's desperate attempts to prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent people.

Israeli deaths are the result of outright murder.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:00 pm
@oralloy,
You are one twisted human being. People like you show your racial bigotry in the open without any shame or conscience. You give Jews a bad name; and you are the perfect definition of an antisemite and Jew-hater.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The 'random shooting of missiles' vs the intentional killing by Israel has no comparison based on humanity and ethics.


That is a totally preposterous statement.

Random shooting? They are aimed at civilian centers. If they haven't been more successful in killing Israeli citizens it's because of the Israeli Iron Dome, not for lack of intentional effort by Hamas.

This insistence on dismissing the Hamas rocket attacks as the equivalent of kids throwing rocks at soldiers is, at best, intellectually dishonest.

The facts:

Since 2001 almost 5,000 rockets have been fired into Israel. 4,000 of them since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

As of November 2012 the attacks have killed 64 Israelis, mostly civilians, and injured thousands.

What began with the use of short-range Qassams had developed, by 2006, into the firing of longer-range Katyusha, WS-1B and Grad rockets. In 2012 Jerusalem and Tel Aviv began to come under attack from M-75" and Iranian Fajr-5 rockets. In 2014 the Northern city of Haifa was targeted. Some of the rockets fired by Hamas have contained white phosphorus.

Regardless of what one believes concerning the merits of either the Israeli or Palestinian "causes," these rocket attacks are not pathetic or random. They are serious attempts to kill people. Both sides are engaged in a serious and deadly struggle.

Obviously the Israeli's have a clear advantage in terms of weapons and forces, but it is equally obvious that they have not brought anything like their full military capabilities to bear on those with who they are fighting. Meanwhile, the Palestinians throw everything they have, and use any means available to them to try and kill Israelis. Within the confines imposed by the weapons available, or those that are self-imposed (whether from a desire to minimize casualties or international outrage) both groups are going at each other hammer and tong. The idea that Hamas is either circumspect in their attacks or harmless pikers is ridiculous. If they were, the thing would have been over long ago.

People have died and will continue to die as a result of this conflict. It needs to stop. Israel agreed to a cease-fire and Hamas did not. That the latter rejected the proposal because they weren't provided the opportunity to obtain concessions that would allow them to continue an armed conflict with the promise of more dead is indefensible and shouldn't be an accepted explanation for those Palestinians who lose loved ones in the days ahead. In addition to the release of Hamas fighters from Israeli prisons, the group demanded the lifting of the Gaza blockade. I've no doubt that you and your confreres will swallow whole that this was out of Hamas' concern for the people of Gaza, but anyone who has an ounce of sense knows that the primary reason for the demand was to enable them to secure more weapons and more powerful weapons at that. The rocket attacks weren't a response to the Israeli blockade, they were the cause of it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:34 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It's not 'dismissing' anything. Those are the facts. Do you understand the concept of 'fair play?'

Quote:
fair play
noun
respect for the rules or equal treatment of all concerned.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
The 'random shooting of missiles' vs the intentional killing by Israel has no comparison based on humanity and ethics.

That is a totally preposterous statement.

Random shooting? They are aimed at civilian centers. If they haven't been more successful in killing Israeli citizens it's because of the Israeli Iron Dome, not for lack of intentional effort by Hamas.

Not only that, but the Israelis are merely engaging in lawful self defense. Hardly outrageous behavior on their part.


Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The rocket attacks weren't a response to the Israeli blockade, they were the cause of it.

Yep.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:43 pm
@oralloy,
When shooting anything can't be precisely aimed, it's random.

Quote:
Hamas firing long-range M-302 rockets at Israel, capable of 150-km distance
Rockets smuggled into Gaza before Klos-C cache discovered are considered more accurate than makeshift projectiles made in the Strip; Hadera struck by M-302, dozens are estimated to exist in Gaza arsenal.
By Gili Cohen | Jul. 9, 2014 | 12:26 PM | 8


"More accurate" is not comparable to the military armament of the Israelis. The Israelis still kill more innocent men, women and children than the missiles of Hamas.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:44 pm
@InfraBlue,
Couldn't find your exact request but I'm sure it's out there. Do a little googling on your own. I bet you can find all sorts of anti-Zionist Entity paraphernalia: baseball caps, dog sweaters, coasters...all sorts of cool things.

I was pretty surprised by how many really nasty bumper stickers this place sells, and a great many of them would seem to appeal to anti-Semites. These are the tame ones
http://i1.cpcache.com/product/461868708/stop_nazi_zionists_sticker.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460&qv=90

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/677558320/save_america_defeat_the_zionist_sticker_bumper_50.jpg?

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/70126835/save-america-defeat-the-zionist_bumper-sticker?productId=677558320color=White&height=460&width=460&qv=90

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/458933013/zionist_elite_enemy_sticker.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460&qv=90

http://i1.cpcache.com/product/373887666/bumper_sticker_10_pk.jpg?color=White&height=460&width=460&qv=90

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/43152988/stop-nazi-zionists-_bumper-sticker?productId=461868708
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 04:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Israel launched a major operation against Hamas and other terror groups in Gaza in the early hours of Tuesday morning, dubbed Operation Protective Edge, following heavy Hamas rocket fire over the preceding days. By Tuesday night, Hamas had fired over 140 rockets in 24 hours into Israel, as far north as Hadera; Iron Dome intercepted about 30 of them. Palestinian media put the Gaza death toll at over 20.

Read more: Israel hits Hamas, Islamic Jihad leaders after rockets land north of Tel Aviv | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-pounds-dozens-of-gaza-targets-in-major-counteroffensive/#ixzz37fs56TCg
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook


and,
Quote:
No injuries or major damage after massive barrage targets north, Jerusalem, and south; PM vows to widen Gaza operation, after cabinet okays call-up of 40,000 troops; terrorists killed in firefight near Zikim; Gazan death toll in double digits

Read more: Israel hits Hamas, Islamic Jihad leaders after rockets land north of Tel Aviv | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-pounds-dozens-of-gaza-targets-in-major-counteroffensive/#ixzz37fsTML68
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook


That is what's considered "random."
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2014 05:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Funny isn't it, that bumper stickers can be really nasty and offensive, but this is acceptable.

Quote:
Just a few miles away, across the border in the Gaza Strip, a mother screamed in disbelief as she mourned the death of her young son, who was killed today while he played on a beach in the Gaza Strip with his three cousins.

The four boys, named tonight as Ahed and Zakaria Bakr, both aged ten, and two other boys from the Bakr family, both named Mohammad, aged 11 and nine, died in shelling from a nearby Israeli gunboat. Their bodies were draped in Fatah flags during their funerals this afternoon.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694011/Israel-leaflet-drops-Gaza-warning-Palestinians-evacuate-army-intensifies-airstrikes.html
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2014 01:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Some individuals are more enlightened than us benighted souls. Wink
 

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