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Israel's Shame

 
 
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 01:18 pm
@gungasnake,
Empathy, compassion, remorse are all just words to you.
You cannot comprehend these feelings, they're alien to you and that's a fact.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:34 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Quote:
Empathy, compassion, remorse are all just words to you.
You cannot comprehend these feelings, they're alien to you and that's a fact.


You seems to have a very selected empathy with no compassion for the Israels that had been putting up having a population for generations on their borders that have block parties when some young man or woman from the neighborhood was able to blow him or herself up taking large numbers of Israels with him or her.

No other nation of earth would had not been harsher then the Israels had been.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:35 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
It's also ironic to the extreme that such a vocal supporter of Serbia, the country that relived the horrors of WW2 in Srebrenica, could call any other people savages. Next to Serbia we're all ******* saints.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
You're a fine one to talk about selective empathy, the only people you empathise with are rapists, paedophiles and racist murderers.

Like most decent people, ECY empathises with the downtrodden. That used to mean something in America.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:50 pm
@Izzythepoop,

Srebrenica was a sort of archetypal false flag op.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=clinton++izetbegovic++5000&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 02:51 pm

http://www.techrepublic.com/forums/discussions/a-germans-view-of-islam/
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:03 pm
@BillRM,
I actually have empathy for the people of Israel, they're victims too.
They've been let down badly by their leadership. Their futures their whole way of life has been hi-jacked by right wing extremists.
Who in their right mind could possibly think that the road Israel is on now is the right road.

BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:05 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You're a fine one to talk about selective empathy, the only people you empathise with are rapists, paedophiles and racist murderers.


LOL so you wish to turn this thread into another thread that had been derail by your desire to launch personal attacks on myself?

How many threads are you going to derail? Perhaps every thread on this website?

Quote:
Like most decent people, ECY empathises with the downtrodden


You mean like the Israels who are under constant threat to their lives for generations now?

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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:09 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Quote:
They've been let down badly by their leadership. Their futures their whole way of life has been hi-jacked by right wing extremists.
Who in their right mind could possibly think that the road Israel is on now is the right road.


You mean defending themselves from having hundreds of rockets of 600 hundreds pound warheads each being launch into their nation at random?

Shame on them for taking out the missiles launchers by air strikes.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:16 pm
@BillRM,
Fill me in Bill, these 600ib warheads, which ones are these?.
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eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:30 pm
@BillRM,
Actually you know what... don't bother. Don't want to scramble your brain on you. What's the point eh.

Can you imagine if Israel had spent half the money it's spent on arms (boys toys) in the last whatever ... decades on building a Palestinian state where we'd be now.

Naive of me ?? but then I'm only human..
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:34 pm
@gungasnake,
You going to deny the Holocaust next?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:38 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
They've been let down badly by their leadership. Their futures their whole way of life has been hi-jacked by right wing extremists.
Who in their right mind could possibly think that the road Israel is on now is the right road.


You mean defending themselves from having hundreds of rockets of 600 hundreds pound warheads each being launch into their nation at random?

Shame on them for taking out the missiles launchers by air strikes.


They've been let down in regard to the oppression that their leadership visits upon the Palestinians in order to maintain their ethnocentric state "for the Jews." Of course, there are going to be Palestinians militant enough to oppose their oppression with violence.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:40 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Quote:
Can you imagine if Israel had spent half the money it's spent on arms (boys toys) in the last whatever ... decades on building a Palestinian state where we'd be now.


LOL or if the leaderships of the Palestinians had not stolen billions of dollars of funding and had used the small percent they did not steal to build up the economic instead of buying weapons?

Quote:


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/arafats-billions/

Yasser Arafat diverted nearly $1 billion in public funds to insure his political survival, but a lot more is unaccounted for.

Jim Prince and a team of American accountants - hired by Arafat's own finance ministry - are combing through Arafat's books. Given what they've already uncovered, Arafat may be rethinking the decision. Lesley Stahl reports.

"What is Mr. Arafat and the Palestinian Authority worth today?" asks accountant Jim Prince. "Who is controlling that money? Where is that money? How do we get it back?"

So far, Prince's team has determined that part of the Palestinian leader's wealth was in a secret portfolio worth close to $1 billion -- with investments in companies like a Coca-Cola bottling plant in Ramallah, a Tunisian cell phone company and venture capital funds in the U.S. and the Cayman Islands.

Although the money for the portfolio came from public funds like Palestinian taxes, virtually none of it was used for the Palestinian people; it was all controlled by Arafat. And, Prince says, none of these dealings were made public.

"Our whole point is to bring it out of control of any one person," Prince says.

That's what happened with the portfolio money, which is now under the control of Salam Fayyad, a former World Bank official who Arafat was forced to appoint finance minister last year after crowds began protesting his corrupt regime.

According to Fayyad, "There is corruption out there. There is abuse. There is impropriety, and that's what had to be fixed."

Statements like that have earned Fayyad, a bookish technocrat who spent 20 years in the U.S., a reputation for courage - which was enhanced when he immediately posted the details of Arafat's secret portfolio on the Internet.

Fayyad's investigators are treading softly, well aware that their probe may become too embarrassing for Arafat.

Has he tried to stop them? "We run into obstacles in a number of places, particularly among the old PLO types," Prince says, adding one might draw their own conclusions as to whether his statement includes Arafat himself.

Martin Indyk, a top adviser on the Middle East in the Clinton administration and now head of the Saban Center, a Washington think-tank, says Arafat was always traveling the world, looking for handouts. Money, he says, is "essential" to Arafat's survival.

"Arafat for years would cry poor, saying, 'I can't pay the salaries, we're gonna have a disaster here, the Palestinian economy is going to collapse,'" says Indyk. "And we would all mouth those words: 'The Palestinian economy is going to collapse if we don't do something about this.' But at the same time, he's accumulating hundreds of millions of dollars."

The stockpile went well beyond the portfolio. Arafat accumulated another $1 billion with the help of -- of all people -- the Israelis. Under the Oslo Accords, it was agreed that Israel would collect sales taxes on goods purchased by Palestinians and transfer those funds to the Palestinian treasury. But instead, Indyk says, "that money is transferred to Yasser Arafat to, amongst other places, bank accounts which he maintains off-line in Israel."

Until three years ago, Israel put the tax revenues into Arafat's account at Bank Leumi in downtown Tel Aviv, no questions asked. But why?

According to Indyk, "The Israelis came to us and said, basically, 'Arafat's job is to clean up Gaza. It's going to be a difficult job. He needs walking-around money,' because the assumption was that he would use it to get control of all of these terrorists who'd been operating in these areas for decades."

Obviously, that hasn't happened. No one knows this better than Dennis Ross, who was Middle East negotiator for the first President Bush and President Clinton, and now heads the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He says Arafat's "walking-around money" financed a vast patronage system.

"I used to see that people came in, you know, with their requests," Ross says. "'I need a phone. I need an operation. I need a job.' Arafat had money to dispense."

Like a Chicago ward boss, he still doles out oodles of money; Fayyad says he pays his security forces alone $20 million a month, all of it in cash.

All told, U.S. officials estimate Arafat's personal nest egg at between $1 billion and $3 billion.

Arafat may have $1 billion, but he sure isn't spending it to live well. He's holed up in his Ramallah compound, which the Israelis all but reduced to rubble a year-and-a-half ago. Arafat has always lived modestly, which you can't say about his wife, Suha. According to Israeli officials, she gets $100,000 a month from Arafat out of the Palestinian budget, and lives lavishly in Paris on this allowance.

He also uses the money to bolster his own standing. Both Israeli and U.S. sources say those recent outpourings of support at Arafat's compound were "rent-a-rallies," and that Arafat has spent millions to support terrorists and purchase weapons.

Did he steal from his own people?

"He defines himself as being the embodiment of the Palestinian people," Ross answers. "So what's good for him is good for them. Did they benefit? The answer is no. Did they lose? The answer is yes."

Palestinians certainly paid dearly for something else Fayyad uncovered: a system of monopolies in commodities -- like flour and cement -- that Arafat handed out to his cronies, who then turned around and fleeced the public.

Fayyad says it could accurately be seen as gouging his own people. "And especially in Gaza which is poorer, which is something that is totally unacceptable and immoral, actually."


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:43 pm
@BillRM,
You just can't get it through your small skull that the Zionists are stealing Palestinian lands without any legal recourse, and limiting their movement within their own country. You'll never get it; you're too stupid!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:45 pm
@InfraBlue,
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Of course, there are going to be Palestinians militant enough to oppose their oppression with violence.


Then why is there such crying when their violence in met with greater but better focus violence?

They might try working peacefully with Israel after failing to achieved must in generations but for far more suffering of their own people then the Israel people.
eurocelticyankee
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:45 pm
@BillRM,
Half of Americas money i might add.

It's not only Israeli leadership that has let it's people down, same can be said for the Palestinians.

The right wing zealots on both sides running the show. whipping up the hatred.

I think if I lived in Israel now I'd be afraid to talk about peace and as for the poor Palestinians, sweet Jesus what have they left.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
They might try working peacefully with Israel after failing to achieved must in generations but for far more suffering of their own people then the Israel people.


Peacefully allow themselves to be forced out of their homes and marched into the sea.

If only the native Americans had done that, it would have saved so much trouble.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You just can't get it through your small skull that the Zionists are stealing Palestinian lands without any legal recourse, and limiting their movement within their own country.


The freedom of movement that allowed the killings of thousands of Israels by way of suicide bombings over the years until checkpoints and other such precautions was taken?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2014 03:57 pm
@izzythepush,
You wrote,
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Peacefully allow themselves to be forced out of their homes and marched into the sea.


Not impossible; the Zionists already steal their homes and property, take away legal rights, and don't allow freedom of movement within their own country. What's left for the Zionists? Kill them all!

From B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
CLUE & FACTS:
Quote:

Data on minors and women (included in previous table) Occupied Territories I
.Gaza Strip...West Bank......Total ...... Israel
Palestinian minors killed by Israeli security forces
.....68.................16...............84...........0

Palestinian women killed by Israeli security forces
.....18..................1.................19............0

Israeli minors killed by Palestinians
.....0...................5...................5............1
Israeli women killed by Palestinians
.....0...................3..................3.............2
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