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Israel's Shame

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 01:46 am
@wmwcjr,
Finn is playing the old trick, of trying to pass off any criticism of Israel as being motivated by anti-Semitism as opposed by how Israel behaves. Israel is illegally occupying/laying siege to Gaza and the West Bank. This is the longest occupation in modern history. Israel defies international law and the UN by continually building illegal settlements on occupied land. We wouldn't let any other country behave like this.
usmankhalid665
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 05:47 am
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 07:51 am
http://othersite.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DefendingOurselves.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 08:08 am
@usmankhalid665,
Then people of Ghaza should stop firing missiles into Israel just to start with!!

Then we could go on from there..............
izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 08:25 am
@BillRM,
The people of where?


This didn't start with Gazans firing rockets. It started with the kidnap of three Israeli students which Israel blamed on Hamas. Most neutral observers doubted that Hamas was behind it, as they'd just finished unity talks with Fatah, and such a move did not fit with recent developments. It was more likely to be Islamic Jihad or another Al Qaida linked organisation.

That's when Israel started attacking Gaza and Hamas responded.

Israel has a track record of divide and rule. Israel funded Hamas in the first place to destabilise the nationalist Fatah, and it came back to haunt them. If they continue trying to isolate Hamas they'll end up dealing with Al Qaida and associates.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The 'random shooting of missiles' vs the intentional killing by Israel has no comparison based on humanity and ethics.

Power makes might in the wrong hands is indeed inhumane.


You are playing with words, in my opinion. "Random shooting of missiles" is intentional attempts to kill people, regardless if the missiles are not high tech enough to always hit the "attempted" target. The humanity and ethics are on the side of Israel, since the willingness to send missiles into Israel, and hopefully kill Israelis was apparently driven by the displeasure of Israel reacting to suicide bombers. It all comes down to hubris. Meaning to have Israel in their midst is too humiliating for many Arabs, in my opinion. That was the feeling in 1948, by many Arabs, and still is today. Perhaps, based on your career, and who you worked for, you are just so liberal that you cannot see when other people are infused with intractable hate?

And, in my opinion, the elegant solution is that Gaza be absorbed by Egypt. Considering that there has never been a Palestinean nation, and the Palestineans are Arabs, it might just be to their advantage to be absorbed by Egypt and expanding their living region into the Sinai Peninsula. It might just be possible that the Palestineans are just like orphans needing a good Mother Superior to oversee their orphanage? The Egyptian military function like good teachers?

The Palestineans need to question why there are Israeli Arabs that never left in 1948. And, why their relatives left. Sounds like they believed the Arab armies and made a clear path for the conquering Arab armies. Ooops. The Arab armies lost. Now that was a bad bet. The Israeli Arabs were smart and now live more comfortable lives than many Arabs and Palestineans in the entire middle east. Let's compare the Israeli Arabs to Japanese Americans that stayed in the U.S. during WWII.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:20 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

So, how many more 'humanitarian pauses' is Israel going to provide in the future before they continue to kill innocent Palestinian men, women and children with their superior war machine?

"Humanitarian pause" is an oxymoron.


"Superior war machine"? Or, should one say, "Chosen war machine"? Either way, it sounds like the standard negative stereotype that Jews think they are better than others.

This can be added to a list of reasons that anti-Semites dislike Jews. "Those Jews think they have a Chosen war machine."
Foofie
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:26 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Exactl, nobody said killing Israelis was OK, ...


Even in WWII, no one, other than Nazis, said that killing Jews was O.K. But, by the inaction, and non-comments, killing Jews is O.K., in that in the minds of many people, Jews are expendable, so if they get killed, few mourn.

It's the result of Arab hatred, and European Catholic anti-Semitism that Jews are expendable. Notice how in Catholic theology, Jews have no purpose, since the birth of Christ. It was just a small leap to making their lives expendable (aka, no purpose) too, in my opinion.
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Foofie
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:30 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Finn is playing the old trick, of trying to pass off any criticism of Israel as being motivated by anti-Semitism as opposed by how Israel behaves. Israel is illegally occupying/laying siege to Gaza and the West Bank. This is the longest occupation in modern history. Israel defies international law and the UN by continually building illegal settlements on occupied land. We wouldn't let any other country behave like this.


What about giving the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. Wasn't Britain part of that appeasement? Perhaps, Israel should start talking about lebensraum? Europe might then feel it is fine?
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BillRM
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 09:42 am
@Foofie,
You know if they did not have a superior war machine that CI is complaining about they would have been wipe off the maps of the middle east sixty years ago.

A wiping that both CI and Izzy would love to see happen.

It is hard to feel sorry for a man who is getting the **** kick out of him when he keep trying to get bombs into his neighbor homes.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 10:44 am
@BillRM,
Your assumptions are so out of this world, your imagination is your worst enemy. Try some facts and evidence rather than your imagination. That might help you realize the realities of Israel.
InfraBlue
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 10:55 am
@BillRM,
But that would leave unresolved the problem of latter man having arrogated the former man's house which instigated the violence in the first place.
BillRM
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 10:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yes sir Israel would not had been wiped off the maps and a second holocaust would not even now be many decades in the past if it was not for the outstanding military forces they had created and maintain at great cost.

Do not fired missiles by the many hundreds into Israel and the death total of the Palestinians due to Israel actions would drop to zero at once.

BillRM
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:00 am
@InfraBlue,
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But that would leave unresolved the problem of latter man having arrogated the former man's house which instigated the violence in the first place.


I forgot maybe you remember, how armies cross Israel borders looking to drive all the Jews into the sea in 1948 right after they declare themselves a nation?

Was it five or six armies?
JTT
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:01 am
@BillRM,
How come you won't face facts, Bill? Is it because you're USian?

Address what Infra put right in front of your nose.

It is phantasmagorical (that doesn't even begin to describe it) how delusional so many USians are.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:05 am
@BillRM,
As usual, your history lacks basic honesty and facts. Your imagination isn't based on facts.
Try this link about the facts. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/irgun.html
JTT
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:09 am
Quote:
Muslims Cause Polio


Wow, the things one can learn at a2k!!

There's even a forum ...

Muslims Cause Polio Forum
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:17 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Do not fired missiles by the many hundreds into Israel and the death total of the Palestinians due to Israel actions would drop to zero at once.




As CI said get your facts checked before you come out with such nonsense. Palestinians die almost every day at the hands of Israelis regardless of whether or not rockets are being fired.

Quote:
According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, 10 per cent of pregnant Palestinian women were forced to endure labour or childbirth at a checkpoint between 2000 and 2007, resulting in the death of at least 35 babies and five women during the seven-year period. This data is at the centre of a new research abstract published this week in the leading medical journal, The Lancet.


http://newint.org/blog/2011/07/13/palestine-birth-at-checkpoint/
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BillRM
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Sorry it was only three armies Egypt, Jordan and Syria and forces from Iraq that resulted in the start of the Palestinians problem that the world is still facing today.

Seems strange that the Palestinians can not seems to learn that every time they had turn to violence they are the ones who always ended up with the short ends as even the Arabs Nations for the most part seems to had learn that lesson.

The Jews seem very very very serous concerning and living by the statement NEVER AGAIN


Quote:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine - Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on May 2 it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state.[11] The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements.[12][13][14] The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.[15]

As a result of the war the State of Israel retained the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state and also took control of almost 60% of the area allocated for the proposed Arab state,[16] including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, some parts of the Negev, a wide strip along the Tel-Aviv-Jerusalem road, West Jerusalem, and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. No Arab Palestinian state was created. In 1949 all the belligerents - except the Iraqis and the Palestinians - signed the 1949 Armistice Agreements.

The conflict triggered important demographic changes in the area and through the Middle East. Around 700,000 aaleArabs fled or were expelled from the area that became Israel and they became Palestinian refugees.[17] In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel with one third of them having fled, or having been expelled, from their previous countries of residence in the Middle East.[18]
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 17 Jul, 2014 11:52 am
@BillRM,
You wrote,
Quote:
The Jews seem very very very serous concerning and living by the statement NEVER AGAIN.


Never Again, what? Apartheid? Discrimination against Palestinians? Killing more innocent Palestinians with their superior war machine? Stealing Palestinians lands at will by expanding their settlements? Restricting Palestinian freedom of movement in Israel? Yeah, NEVER AGAIN is about as inhumane as the holocaust were to the Jews of Germany and Poland, and that was over 50 years ago.

Will the Jews be happy when they kill 4 million Palestinians with their superior war machine?
 

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