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Does mob mentality rule A2K?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:00 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .
U can do better than that,
and I stand by what I said.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
That was his point, ci.

Think before you post.
Is he ABLE to do that ??
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You have the gall to tell others
Quote:
Think before you post?


LMAO You're the one who can only guess about most things, and aren't sure what reality is.


Yeah...I do not know what the REALITY is...and I acknowledge that I do not.

You not only pretend you do...

...you actually allowed Q to get the better of you. You screwed up, ci. You reinforced the point he was trying to make...and you were laughing your ass off at him.

You should have been laughing at yourself.
Setanta
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Self-delusion knows no bounds, and that BS is made ironically hilarious by the post you made immediately after this one.
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 03:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
That was his point, ci.

Think before you post.
Is he ABLE to do that ??


I'm beginning to doubt he can, David...

...and I suspect he still doesn't see that he screwed up.

But this will give him a chance to own up to an error...and thank the person who called it to his attention.

We'll see.
farmerman
 
  2  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
we engage in cyber formication.
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 07:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frankie boy is trying very hard to make a big deal out of this exchange.
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
LMAO The world was believed to be flat some time in the past. What can that 'something is true' be?

Q responded with,
Quote:
oh my!


Tiny brains tries very hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
hingehead
 
  3  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 08:43 pm
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/internet_argument.png
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nononono
 
  0  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 09:10 pm
Quote:

Name three such ideas.


If I answer this truthfully it will be attacked, but I will give you three examples, no problem.

1) Buttermilk posted a thread about how illogical and irrational it is when women are attracted to dangerous/abusive/violent men. This is a completely well reasoned idea. Being that it's a fact that people like Ted Bundy, The Boston Bomber, Charles Manson, Chris Brown, ect. Have had well documented publicity for the amount of female attention/adoration they've received.

http://able2know.org/topic/248556-1

2) Lot's of Hawkeye points, but one in particular stands out to me as EXTREMELY well reasoned.

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Just for shits and grins compare how current mens rights leaders are viewed by the establishment with how feminists of the 1950's were viewed by the establishment back then.

" their nuts"

"what are they complaining about, they have it good"

" they are dangerous"

"they should be ignored"

" it is a good thing that most of gender D is not like them!"

" your gender D partner is not like them. right?"


http://able2know.org/topic/245743-10

Hawkeye pointed out that the hatred aimed at the Men's Rights Movement sounds no different than the hatred aimed at feminism back when feminism was a new idea. That's ROCK SOLID reasoning. Take pretty much any negative thing being said about the MRM and compare that to the things said about feminism during it's infancy.

3) Several points I've made

~How the FBI dissociating themselves from the SPLC raises questions as to the validity of what the SPLC considers "hate groups"
~How Eliot rogers never had any connection to the MRM
~How the MRM raises awareness for men's issues and is not hateful
~How feminism is hypocritical
~How firefly and other members are hypocritical and have flat out lied in posts here
~How I've been branded a "misogynist" and a rape apologist without anyone being able to point out my "misogyny" or how exactly I support rape.
~Me continuing to be attacked for making a mistake even after I admitted I made a mistake and took full responsibility for it. And those attacks coming from members who had previously participated in the very same kind of activities themselves.

Just off the top of my head...

Still waiting for anyone to refute the logic in any of these ideas^
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 09:57 pm
@nononono,
Yea, I have one main one; your "men's rights movement" is an oxymoron. Don't you know anything about men domination throughout the ages? Even the bible makes women second class citizens.
http://www.religiouscriticism.com/bible/the-sexist-bible/

Did you know that in Japan, women were required to walk behind the man, and carry all the luggage? Even in Islam countries, women are expected to walk three steps behind the man. These are very old cultural norms.
Quote:
American Sociological Review © 1995 American Sociological Association
Abstract:
We explore a range of issues concerning the gender gap in workplace authority in seven countries (the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, Sweden, Norway, and Japan). There are six main empirical conclusions. First, there is considerable cross-national variation in the gender gap in authority: The gap is lowest in the four English-speaking countries (especially the United States and Australia) and highest in Japan. Second, the gender gap in authority within countries and the pattern of cross-national variation do not appear to be the result of gender differences in personal attributes or employment settings. Third, the self-selection hypothesis (that women choose not to seek authority because of family responsibilities) does not appear to account for much of the gender gap in authority, except perhaps in Canada. Fourth, we find little support for the "glass-ceiling" hypothesis that barriers to upward promotions for women in authority hierarchies are greater than the barriers they face in getting into hierarchies in the first place. Fifth, in the United States the barriers faced by women already in hierarchies are weaker than in other countries, and probably weaker than the barriers they faced to enter hierarchies in the first place. Finally, we find suggestive evidence that these variations across countries in the gender gap in authority are explained by the interaction between the availability of managerial positions and the capacity of politically organized women's movements to challenge barriers to women gaining authority in the workplace.


Women still earn about .77c to men's $1.

From Forbes.
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By Lisa M. Maatz

Another year, another several million dollars lost to the gender pay gap GPS -0.78%.

On April 8 we once again recognize Equal Pay Day, the symbolic date when women’s wages catch up to men’s from the previous year.I know my calendar says 2014, but I’m having trouble believing it. The Mad Men era isn’t just on TV. It’s real life for women and their families who are struggling to make ends meet.

The gender pay gap is hopelessly static right now. For the last decade, median earnings for women working full time, year-round have been just 77% of men’s earnings. This oft-cited percentage stems from U.S. Census Bureau data and is not, despite critiques, something made up by feminists to (heaven forbid) give women raises. However, that stat is just a snapshot of the pay gap in the U.S., so it’s important to drill down deeper. The American Association of University Women’s research report, Graduating to a Pay Gap, does just that.

nononono
 
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Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Did you know that in Japan, women were required to walk behind the man, and carry all the luggage? Even in Islam countries, women are expected to walk three steps behind the man. These are very old cultural norms.


First, the bible is not a credible citation for anyone who doesn't believe in it or is a flat out atheist. And yes, religion in general is sexist! In places like Islamic countries, YES feminism is needed! But I've been talking about the western world. In western society women have more privilege and are more protected than ANY other group of people.

That stat about women's pay has been proven false many times. It is a MYTH!!!

No, Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men

It’s the bogus statistic that won’t die—and president deployed it during the State of the Union—but women do not make 77 cents to every dollar a man earns.

President Obama repeated the spurious gender wage gap statistic in his State of the Union address. “Today,” he said, “women make up about half our workforce. But they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That is wrong, and in 2014, it’s an embarrassment.”

What is wrong and embarrassing is the President of the United States reciting a massively discredited factoid. The 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure, or hours worked per week. When all these relevant factors are taken into consideration, the wage gap narrows to about five cents. And no one knows if the five cents is a result of discrimination or some other subtle, hard-to-measure difference between male and female workers. In its fact-checking column on the State of the Union, the Washington Post included the president’s mention of the wage gap in its list of dubious claims. “There is clearly a wage gap, but differences in the life choices of men and women… make it difficult to make simple comparisons.”

Consider, for example, how men and women differ in their college majors. Here is a list (PDF) of the ten most remunerative majors compiled by the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce. Men overwhelmingly outnumber women in all but one of them:

1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male
2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male
3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male
4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male
5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male
6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male
7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male
8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male
9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male
10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male

And here are the 10 least remunerative majors—where women prevail in nine out of ten:

1. Counseling Psychology: 74% female
2. Early Childhood Education: 97% female
3. Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female
4. Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female
5. Social Work: 88% female
6. Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female
7. Studio Arts: 66% female
8. Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female
9. Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female
10. Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female

Much of the wage gap can be explained away by simply taking account of college majors. Early childhood educators and social workers can expect to earn around $36,000 and $39,000, respectively. By contrast, petroleum engineering and metallurgy degrees promise median earnings of $120,000 and $80,000. Not many aspiring early childhood educators would change course once they learn they can earn more in metallurgy or mining. The sexes, taken as a group, are somewhat different. Women, far more than men, appear to be drawn to jobs in the caring professions; and men are more likely to turn up in people-free zones. In the pursuit of happiness, men and women appear to take different paths.

But here is the mystery. These and other differences in employment preferences and work-family choices have been widely studied in recent years and are now documented in a mountain of solid empirical research. By now the President and his staff must be aware that the wage gap statistic has been demolished. This is not the first time the Washington Post has alerted the White House to the error. Why continue to use it? One possibility is that they have been taken in by the apologetics of groups like the National Organization for Women and the American Association of University Women. In its 2007 Behind the Pay Gap report, the AAUW admits that most of the gap in earnings is explained by choices. But this admission is qualified: “Women’s personal choices are similarly fraught with inequities,” says the AAUW. It speaks of women being “pigeonholed” into “pink-collar” jobs in health and education. According to NOW, powerful sexist stereotypes “steer” women and men “toward different education, training, and career paths.”

Have these groups noticed that American women are now among the most educated, autonomous, opportunity-rich women in history? Why not respect their choices? For the past few decades, untold millions of state and federal dollars have been devoted to recruiting young women into engineering and computer technology. It hasn’t worked. The percent of degrees awarded to women in fields like computer science and engineering has either stagnated or significantly decreased since 2000. (According to Department of Education data, in 2000, women earned 19 percent of engineering BA’s, and 28 percent in computer science; by 2011, only 17 percent of engineering degrees were awarded to females, and the percent of female computer science degrees had dropped to 18.) All evidence suggests that though young women have the talent for engineering and computer science, their interest tends to lie elsewhere. To say that these women remain helplessly in thrall to sexist stereotypes, and manipulated into life choices by forces beyond their control, is divorced from reality—and demeaning to boot. If a woman wants to be a teacher rather than a miner, or a veterinarian rather than a petroleum engineer, more power to her.

The White House should stop using women’s choices to construct a false claim about social inequality that is poisoning our gender debates. And if the President is truly persuaded that statistical pay disparities indicate invidious discrimination, then he should address the wage gap in his own backyard. Female staff at the White House earn 88 cents on the dollar compared to men. Is there a White House war on women?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:17 pm
@nononono,
You wrote,
Quote:
First, the bible is not a credible citation for anyone who doesn't believe in it or is a flat out atheist.


Just that only 73% of Americans believe in the christian religion; something hard to ignore. Try telling them the bible is not credible. LOL
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You also sited,
Quote:

1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male
2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male
3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male
4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male
5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male
6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male
7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male
8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male
9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male
10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male


It only proves you're ignorant about how careers were picked in the past by men and women. Trends are changing for the better for women. Medical school were once dominated by men, and women went into nursing. No longer; women are catching up. Your gender bigotry is no surprise.
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Location
..........................Female... Male... Total
United States..... 8,396.... 8,968.....17,364
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nononono
 
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Fri 11 Jul, 2014 10:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Anyone who cites the bible as a "credible source of information" is an idiot.

There are absolutely ZERO facts in the bible. If 73% of Americans like the Harry Potter book series, can they use that as a source of "credible information" and use it as a citation to support their arguments?

I won't debate people who use the bible to support their arguments. Just like I won't debate creationists. If you want to go live in fairy tale land, have fun with that...

And if employers pay women only 77% of what men get paid, then why wouldn't employers hire all women to cut costs and maximize profit???

Because employers hate money! ...said no employer ever.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 11 Jul, 2014 11:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Just that only 73% of Americans believe in the christian religion; something hard to ignore. Try telling them the bible is not credible. LOL


Lot of problems with this one! He is for sure not very good with logic!
It is the popularity fallacy again and again and again.
That said, if the above is true, and you can say from there that something is true because so many people believe it, your in deep trouble.
Because then, the islamic religion is very true, the belief in a lot (and I mean a lot!!) scientific bullshit is true, and the people who bought the car in yesterday's advertisement proved that the car is very very very good, because lost of people before them have bought this car!!! Wink
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 12 Jul, 2014 02:07 am
@nononono,
nononono wrote:
Are the majority of A2K members close minded?

No. But there is a vocal minority of kooks who like to spout leftist intolerance.

Don't judge the intelligent posters (on either the left or the right) based on the ranting of the kooks.
Quehoniaomath
 
  1  
Sat 12 Jul, 2014 03:17 am
@oralloy,
Quote:

No. But there is a vocal minority of kooks who like to spout leftist intolerance.

Don't judge the intelligent posters (on either the left or the right) based on the ranting of the kooks.


You are sayingh nothing here!
you don't write who the intelligent posters are, who the kooks are.

You are just rambling now.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 12 Jul, 2014 05:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Frankie boy is trying very hard to make a big deal out of this exchange.
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
LMAO The world was believed to be flat some time in the past. What can that 'something is true' be?

Q responded with,
Quote:
oh my!


Tiny brains tries very hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill.



I do not have a tiny brain...although I understand your constant need to insult people with that kind of thing. You apparently make yourself feel better about yourself by demeaning others.

You screwed up, ci.

Try to do what you pretended you do when an error is called to your attention.

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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 12 Jul, 2014 07:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Frankie boy is trying very hard to make a big deal out of this exchange.
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
LMAO The world was believed to be flat some time in the past. What can that 'something is true' be?

Q responded with,
Quote:
oh my!


Tiny brains tries very hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill.



What actually is going on is:

Q wrote:


Quote:
But don't be too hard, most people have been dumbed down by the indoctrination oeps sorry education system.

for most something is true if everyone agrees on it!

Bizarre to say the least!

His point was that the education system tells people that something is true…and if everyone (almost everyone) agrees with it…then those indoctrinated people simply accept that it is true.

He was trying to say that simply because there is consensus of opinion, does not mean the consensus opinion is correct.

I disagree with lots of what Q says and posts, but he was absolutely correct on this point. A consensus opinion does not make the opinion correct. (David noticed this same thing and mentioned it to ci...who apparently did not understand it or ignored it.)

Ci, claimed he laughed his ass off…because he was able to come up with:


Quote:
LMAO The world was believed to be flat some time in the past. What can that 'something is true' be?


That, as I called to ci’s attention was exactly Q’s point. That simply because most people thought the world to be flat…DID NOT MAKE IT FLAT.

But ci is not able to own up to his mistake…and may not really be able to see that he is in error.

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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 12 Jul, 2014 08:06 am
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