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Why aren't feminists speaking out about this???

 
 
Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 09:01 am
Felon Jeremy Meeks, who was objectified over facebook, twitter, and YouTube, lands a job through the modeling agency "Blaze." With so many college student going through default because of student loans and the bad luck finding jobs, a good looking felon like Meeks gets rewarded even after being jailed for a criminal act. My issue here is, where are the women's rights activist who haven't come out to combat the double standard?

If in fact feminist seek to bridge the gap in this country and seek equality between men and women, women's rights activists ought to speak out on behalf of objectified men. In this case, instead of defending Meeks, these groups ought to chastise the women for promoting a criminal to be a model which sends the message that being objectified is ok, and not harmful, so long as you are good looking.

What does this truly say about American women? I mean tens of thousands was pushing this, and this does not include women in other countries. These are the same type of women who fell in love with the Boston bomber, who ironically forgot he and his brother took life. I personally feel women can no longer complain about generalized objectification if they too are the same antagonist.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 10:19 am
@Buttermilk,
For others who also have no idea who this guy is...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/jeremy-meeks-hot-convict_n_5550332.html
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Jeremy Meeks, the "hot convict" who set the Internet aflame with his blue-eyed stare and head cocked just so in a recent mug shot, has taken his fame to the next level.

The California con, known to some as "Dreamy McMug," has scored a modeling contract with Blaze Modelz, according to media reports.

But before he gets in front a camera not operated by the police, Meeks needs to get out of jail. He is currently being held on $1,050,000 bail after his arrest on seven felony charges, including "street terrorism," and two misdemeanors for resisting arrest and revocation of parole, the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office says.

Meeks, 30, shot to fame last month after the Stockton Police Department posted his booking photo on Facebook. The image has earned 100,000+ likes and counting.

Meeks previously did time for grand theft and has had numerous other run-ins with the law. The Los Angeles Times reports that he's a documented member of the Northside Gangster Crips, but his family insists that he's put that connection in his past.

His mother writes on a website set up to help raise money for his bail that Meeks has a job and no gang affiliations, but that his old tattoos cause him to be stereotyped.

If Meeks ever gets out of jail and is able to cash in on that modeling contract, he may face another problem: The camera hasn't always been so kind to him.



I read it and still have no idea why I'm supposed to give a **** about an asshole getting a bunch of likes from idiot teeny boppers on Facebook.

I'm more annoyed at the company who is exploiting this whole thing and giving it any validity.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 10:37 am
This is sexy? Yuck. Are we sure those 33k likes on Facebook were to say how sexy he is and not to like the fact that he'd been busted?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1867600/original.jpg

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A handsome mug shot of a Northern California man arrested on felony weapons charges has gone viral on social media, attracting more than 33,000 "likes" and drawing comments praising his high cheek bones, chiseled face and striking blue eyes.

Jeremy Meeks, 30, a convicted felon, was arrested Wednesday on five weapons charges and one gang charge, according to Officer Joseph Silva, a spokesman for the Stockton Police Department.

Silva declined to say what Meeks was previously convicted of, saying the department does not routinely release information about a suspect's criminal history.

No previous arrest photo has garnered so much positive attention since the department set up the Facebook page in March 2012, Silva told The Associated Press.

"I have not seen that many likes for a photo before," he said.

By late Thursday, Meeks' arrest photo had garnered more than 33,000 "likes," and 10,400 comments, and had been shared more than 3,300 times. Other postings on the site generally receive hundreds of "likes."

Meeks was one of four men taken into custody during Operation Ceasefire, a multiagency mission to curb a recent increase in shootings and robberies in the Weston Ranch area of Stockton, a Northern California city of about 300,000 nestled amid the network of waterways that form the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 10:46 am
@Buttermilk,
This is the age of marketing. It is totally irrelevant what women achieved during the preceding decades, as long as "celebrity" can be pushed, and young girls targeted to love anything pink and taught to adore boys who don't have a brain cell but look perfect, they know they will sell stuff by the ton.

I think the problem primarily lies with the Marketing people, but also the parents, for allowing their little offspring to be sucked in like this.

Morals and principle seem to have been thrown out of the window as far as Marketing goes, but when they're looking at a market full of sheeplike parents and easily influenced youngsters, they see easy money.

My wife went through her teens in the 70's, and like most other females at that time, she was damn feisty.

Now, it seems they and their parents totally lack spine, and are quite happy being herded.


Ho hum.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 03:22 pm
@Butrflynet,
Have you read facebook? One female said he would let him rape her pussy...Really? It sucks when college students cant find jobs dude gets one.
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 03:31 pm
@Lordyaswas,
I hear you. But I have Facebook, and I had to sift through over a thousand comments about how he would let him (Meeks) "**** them" yet my friends who had a hard time looking for jobs have to settle for mediocre jobs while this felon is projected to make $30k. This isn't about young age women this is women of all ages hoping this guy makes it. Mind you this dude probably snuffed someone. I feel like this would be an opportunity for women's rights groups to educate people that rewarding criminals is not ok, even criminals who were objectified.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 04:40 pm
@Buttermilk,
It has nothing to do with women's rights. If you think it does, please highlight which one.

You might want to spend some of your free time learning about the Facebook account settings so you can filter out anything you feel you are forced to read because some idiot posted it. While you're at it, maybe it is time to take a second look at the list of people you have friended. If you are so disgusted by what they choose to post for anyone to read, including future job interviewers and employers, why do you keep them as friends and why do you still allow their posts to appear on your wall instead of blocking them?

I don't blame you for being disgusted and wanting to change how they behave, however you have something more immediate at stake. You are job hunting and know that interviewers will take a look at your Facebook persona. Don't wait for them to change, take immediate steps to clean up your Facebook page. If you feel the need to do so, use that as your excuse for removing some people from your Wall.



As for my reading comments about this guy, I have no desire to do so. I'd never heard of him until you posted it here. I guess my circles of Facebook friends are just a bunch of boring old farts. Maybe we should spice things up a bit and gossip about wanting to do Alex Trebek.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 08:09 pm
@Butrflynet,
My opinion has nothing to do with facebook friends I read Stockton PD facebook post and saw for myself. Then my friends Private Message me the women in South Africa and Europe. So um yeah a typical female response would be to chastise the observer and not the observee.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 08:53 pm
@Buttermilk,
In case you didn't notice, Facebook was the main theme of your complaining in every single post on the subject and is where this whole thing started.

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Felon Jeremy Meeks, who was objectified over facebook, twitter, and YouTube, lands a job through the modeling agency "Blaze."



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Have you read facebook? One female said he would let him rape her pussy...Really?



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But I have Facebook, and I had to sift through over a thousand comments about how he would let him (Meeks) "**** them"


I get the feeling you aren't saying what really has you pissed about this. Are you upset about how easily the job fell into this guy's lap just for looking goofy in a mug shot?

Your anger is misdirected. The guy's mug shot got 33,000 likes on the police department's Facebook page and the police department and media fell all over themselves about it.

Think about it. There are millions of people on Facebook and hundreds of thousands of people in the Stockton area. This criminal's photo gets a few likes from a very miniscule percentage of the population and the media exploits it and turns him into a freak show.

Meanwhile, you and your buddies are busting hump in college and spinning your wheels trying to find a job.

That's what you are angry about, not that a few women think the guy is sexy.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2014 09:02 pm
America's feminists are very strange. They could have voted to put John McCain and Sarah Palin in the White House, but they voted for Obama instead.
America has never had a woman vice-pres so they missed their chance!
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2014 05:50 am
@Butrflynet,
Well yes most of my anger is because he was promoted so much he found a job and yes I'm still of the opinion that we are living in a society where a lot of women like dangerous men. As I mentioned before remember the Boston bombers? The young one that survived? How many young girls flocked to him? What about Charles Manson or the Menendez Brothers?

My point is while feminist remain quiet on prison rape (which statistically its higher incidents of male prison rape than female victims of rape), all I'm saying is the same sexual objectification women face everyday, these same outspoken women can also educate the masses of women who objectify Meeks because how can feminist seek to bring equality if they don't speak up on behalf of men who are objectified by women?

As for the amount of people on facebook, I personally dont care if it was 100 as opposed to 1000, the fact that women donated money to bail out a man who is a felon goes beyond simple attraction. Besides my evidence is not just facebook, but twitter and YouTube.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2014 03:42 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Not to state the obvious, but there are millions of better candidates than Palin to be the first Woman President.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jul, 2014 04:25 pm
America's women were probably jealous because Sarah's an ex-beauty queen which is why they don't like her.
Hilary's not bad in a cuddly mumsy sort of way, I came across this pic on the net which shows she can scream as good as Sarah, so Hil has gone up a few notches on my "respect" scale..Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/hilary2_zpsa9f9f6b2.jpg~original
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 12:26 am
@Buttermilk,
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Well yes most of my anger is because he was promoted so much he found a job...

Well, your anger/jealousy should really cool down because Meeks didn't really get a modeling job, and he's been slapped with a federal charge that could keep him behind bars for quite some time.
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Not hot! Jeremy Meeks, known across the Internet for his viral mugshot, is facing a federal gun charge.

On Thursday, a federal grand jury returned an indictment charging Meeks, 30, with being a felon in possession of a .45 caliber semiautomatic pistol.

Meeks was arrested June 18 on a gun charge in Stockton, Calif. Meeks told KXTV that he was a gang member and that he had a gun in the trunk of his car when arrested. He has a felony grand theft conviction from 2002.

San Joaquin County District Attorney's Office spokesman Robert Himelblau said that when a suspect ends up being charged by both the state and federal governments, the DA's office will often step aside because the feds have the "bigger hammer," meaning the suspect could likely serve more time if convicted. He could face up to 10 years in prison, according to the indictment.

Himelblau also said Meeks could be moved to Sacramento for federal court appearances and prosecution. But that decision will not be made until next week.

Currently, Meeks is being held in San Joaquin County Jail on $1.1 million bail.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/07/03/jeremy-meeks-indicted-federal-charge/12205621/

Did you really think that someone being held in jail, in lieu of over $1 million in bail, was likely to breeze out from behind bars so he could take a cushy modeling job?

And, apart from probably less than a handful of well known feminists, who have spoken out on the issue of physical attractiveness, often disagreeing with each other, since when does finding someone, male or female, simply good-looking, mean that you are "objectifying" them in a degrading manner? I find George Clooney a very attractive man, for instance, but I don't reduce him to being only a sex object, I also think he's a talented actor and director and producer, and an admirably committed social activist. And I neither want some feminist, nor you, telling me it's wrong to also view the man as attractive, because I think there is nothing wrong with acknowledging his physical appeal. How would that affect him negatively? How would it negatively affect any man, including Jeremy Meeks, to be viewed as good-looking or handsome? Whether it's fair or not, attractive people may enjoy more benefits and be viewed more positively than their more ordinary looking peers.
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According to Dr. Gordon Patzer, who has concluded 3 decades of research on physical attractiveness, human beings are hard-wired to respond more favorably to attractive people: “Good-looking men and women are generally regarded to be more talented, kind, honest and intelligent than their less attractive counterparts.” Patzer contends, “controlled studies show people go out of their way to help attractive people—of the same sex and opposite sex—because they want to be liked and accepted by good-looking people.” Even studies of babies show they will look more intently and longer at attractive faces, Patzer argues.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201208/im-successful-because-im-beautiful-how-we-discriminate


When I first saw the photo of Jeremy Meeks, I didn't know it was a mug shot, and I didn't even notice the tattoos, but I did think he was good-looking--not particularly sexy, simply good-looking. Knowing more about him now, I still wouldn't change my opinion about that. But I also can't understand the dingbats who went all atwitter on the social media over him, or who'd actually donate money for his bail, simply on the basis of his mug shot, he's not that good-looking, but I also don't see anything sinister or terrible in their doing that, and I hardly see it as an issue that feminists should bother to address, or that anyone should take seriously. These social media bandwagons seem to take on a life of their own, and people jump on them for all sorts of reasons, including boredom. So, if Meeks is the flavor of the week, and some silly people want to go ga-ga over him, what's the big deal, next week something else will be trending.
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these same outspoken women can also educate the masses of women who objectify Meeks because how can feminist seek to bring equality if they don't speak up on behalf of men who are objectified by women?

I'm not sure you really understand what feminism is about at all--or what the basic aims of feminism are. You persist in seeing a rather diverse movement as a unified group which speaks with one voice--which is clearly not the case, there are considerable diversions of opinion among self-identified feminists, with relatively little basic agreement among them on most matters, and considerable differences in areas of interest.

And, while you keep finding fault with feminists, for not speaking up on behalf of men, you ignore the fact that, in terms of social activism, their primary concern, as feminists, has always been with the welfare and position and rights of women in our society, and equalizing the position of women in society, and there is no reason for them to shift focus and become humanists, rather than feminists, unless that's where they want to go as individuals.

Who are you to tell feminists what they should be addressing? As a member of a group, you might be able to exert some influence, through active participation and discussion with other feminists, but, since you are an outsider to this movement, I think it is incredibly arrogant of you to decide what positions other people, within that movement, should be taking, or what battles they should be fighting. Go fight for your own causes, form your own advocacy groups, rather than expecting any group, particularly one you are not a part of, and don't even support, to do that for you.

And stop being so envious of that jailbird simply because some females made a fuss over him on the social media, that's what passes for pop culture these days.



Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 12:42 am
Another reason why women never put Sarah Palin in the White House is because many women like to have a man in charge.
For example, last year the Church of England had a vote among its male and female clergy asking "Should women be allowed to become bishops", and the majority voted "No".
Amazingly, many of those who voted "no" were women!
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 12:50 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
You must have the same vast sources of news as Ms. Palin. I'll bet you also can see Russia from your backyard.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

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Legislation authorising the ordination of women as deacons was passed in 1986 and they were first ordained in 1987. The ordination of women as priests was passed by the General Synod in 1993 and began in 1994. In 2010, for the first time in the history of the Church of England, more women than men were ordained as priests (290 women and 273 men).[24]

In July 2005, the synod voted to "set in train" the process of allowing the consecration of women as bishops. In February 2006, the synod voted overwhelmingly for the "further exploration" of possible arrangements for parishes that did not want to be directly under the authority of a woman bishop.[25] On 7 July 2008, the Synod voted to approve the ordination of women as bishops and rejected moves for alternative episcopal oversight for those who do not accept women bishops.[26] Actual ordinations of women to the episcopate will require further legislation, which was narrowly rejected in a vote at General Synod in November 2012.[27][28]

At its meeting on 7 February 2013, the House of Bishops decided that eight senior women clergy, elected regionally, would participate in all meetings of the house until such time as there were six female bishops to sit as of right.[29]

On 20 November 2013, the General Synod voted overwhelmingly in support of a plan to introduce women bishops, with 378 in favour, 8 against and 25 abstentions.
[30]
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 01:10 am
@Butrflynet,
Thanks, it seems there was such a public outcry when the Church of England voted not to allow women bishops that the church bosses have now chickened and are trying to do a u-turn..Smile
Here's their original Nov 2013 vote-
"The general synod of the Church of England has voted narrowly against the appointment of women as bishops"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20415689


Somebody probably pointed out to the old duffers that under Christianity, men and women are absolutely equal-
Paul said-"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
And Jesus said to the snooty priests-"The prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you" (Matt 21:31)
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 03:41 am
@firefly,
Your post was rather lengthy like a book so to condense my response, I'm only going to respond to the pertinent issues within your post.

"Well, your anger/jealousy should really cool down because Meeks didn't really get a modeling job, and he's been slapped with a federal charge that could keep him behind bars for quite some time."

It is not the fact that he is unable to capitalize on his new found fame and fortune in being represented by a modeling agency, it is the very idea that because he is perceived as "gorgeous" many women are overlooking his misdeeds and are focusing on his looks and hoping he could get a modeling career. Forget the fact that this man could have possibly killed someone in cold blood (hence the tear drop tattoo which has several meanings and murder being among them). THAT IS MY POINT. I like how you used the word jealousy in reference to my post when there was no jealousy on my part. I cannot be jealous of him finding a job or landing a modeling career since I'm already working. Or are you referring to my being jealous of his looks?



"And, apart from probably less than a handful of well known feminists, who have spoken out on the issue of physical attractiveness, often disagreeing with each other, since when does finding someone, male or female, simply good-looking, mean that you are "objectifying" them in a degrading manner?"

Based on this post you're obviously speaking from someone who doesn't read facebook posts nor see what people have said in regards to this man. This isn't a simple "oh he's hot" there are women who have made posts of the like:

Vanessa Vieira wrote, “If this guy broke into my house, I’d make him forget why he broke in within 30 seconds. LOL.”

I read another posts of another female stating that Meeks could "rape her vagina." Now even if these posts were in jest, the mere fact that rape which is a serious crime would be said in jest as well as allowing some gorgeous criminal break in your house, are all symptomatic representation of the shallowness ads expressed by many women. So no, this is not some simple case of finding someone attractive read between the lines.


"I also don't see anything sinister or terrible in their doing that"

Yes of course! Then I suppose there is nothing wrong with a man who finds a female felon who recently charged with attempted murder in drowning her child in a bathtub to try and fight for her bail via donating money towards her bail right? I for one find it disturbing that as a young man who grew up in the rough streets and who, know guys like Meeks who have probably shot at someone endangering not only the target but innocent people around them. I find the moral fabric of one who would overlook that fact quite disturbing. As I've read on Facebook many women have said "oh there are things much worse so I don't find his felonies that bad," so to trivialize this man's past criminal history where he has violated the law severely is really really disturbing which as I've said previously goes beyond the simple fact of finding him attractive.

Oh did I mention that it was reported that he severely abused his current wife?

"So, if Meeks is the flavor of the week, and some silly people want to go ga-ga over him, what's the big deal, next week something else will be trending. "

If the media continues to give him a platform and others continue to make him relevant, he will always be relevant.

"And, apart from probably less than a handful of well known feminists, who have spoken out on the issue of physical attractiveness, often disagreeing with each other, since when does finding someone, male or female, simply good-looking, mean that you are "objectifying" them in a degrading manner?"

You need to stop asking questions and read the responses as I've said several times now from what I saw, there were females making questions about his looks and that his looks being of light skin and light colored eyes as the epitome of male aesthetics. To mimic another poster in another thread it seems that there is this idea that men ought to not look at women as objects (such as instead of seeing the person, we see just ass and tits). Similarly, on several websites and discussions I've had there were several references to his skin pigmentation and that having "light skin" is the epitome of beauty.

So Meeks instead of being a man who has committed crimes on several occasions, he is nothing more than a man with "light skin" and colored eyes with a "perfect face" I believe that such objectifying remarks demonstrates the double standards in society. I believe the same issues that women face when it comes to being objectified by men the same can be said about women. I mean, we can even take it further and talk about women who look at men's physique. There are plenty of women who have an expectation of men with "six packs" bulging biceps and muscular legs. There are plenty of women who see men, not as persons, but as beefcakes.

"And stop being so envious of that jailbird simply because some females made a fuss over him on the social media, that's what passes for pop culture these days."

There we go again with words like "envy" and "jealousy" look I can give two shits about some asshole behind a 5X9 cell. Besides I'm a handsome who takes care of his body and I can get plenty of women if I choose to. I'm mostly focusing on the clear fact that we live in a society that women are just as shallow (if not more) as men. My only beef is with students who go into default because they cannot find jobs to pay for their loans and with many American citizens trying to look for jobs due to the economy I'm just frustrated in the fact that even if such an individual cannot take advantage of their opportunity the fact that we live in a society where we value beauty of this kind to a higher standard over having a moral compass, and good judgment, its a sickening reality.


Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 04:02 am
@firefly,
"'m not sure you really understand what feminism is about at all--or what the basic aims of feminism are. "

"In this "illiberal education" of feminism, two feminist academics speak out, showing how political correctness has turned academic feminism into a parody of itself. They assert that official feminism has become irrelevant to or misunderstood by people inside and outside of academic circles, playing into the hands of right-wing critics and creating a gender cult dedicated solely to furthering its own interests."

"Writers such as Camille Paglia, Christina Hoff Sommers, Jean Bethke Elshtain, Elizabeth Fox-Genovese and Daphne Patai oppose some forms of feminism, though they identify as feminists. They argue, for example, that feminism often promotes misandry and the elevation of women's interests above men's, and criticize radical feminist positions as harmful to both men and women.[233] Daphne Patai and Noretta Koertge argue that the term "anti-feminist" is used to silence academic debate about feminism"



That is all I need to know about feminism
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2014 04:16 pm
@Buttermilk,
As you know, I'm an early feminist, re women's civil rights and still am. I had a stuttery start as I tossed Friedan's book, re the matter of obeying. I changed since she made sense of my quandaries re finding a man I could obey (religious then). But this was only through hearing about it, since I did not rebuy the book.

This is fifty years later. You also know I've not been interested in the academics over all these years, and neither are a lot of other women, probably the majority, who are for women's equal rights. You expect me to retort to some stupidity on a website I am not a participant in? The academic fems are the noise that apparently you took a class in.

That sultry eyed or malevolent or ice cold eyed guy being thought attractive? This sort of thing crosses gender lines all the time, and has for millennia. Women who want a baddie that would somehow love them up, and men who go for flash above all else, for the thrill, the shivers, and same within same sex stuff and so on.

I think your main gripe is not about the equality of job chances but re the women you take as representing feminism, who somehow drive you dotty. A lot of your topics end up about that.
 

 
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