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Our Hearts Are Breaking

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 09:18 am
This is the email that we hoped and prayed we would never have to write. "Our Boys" will not be coming home. Naftali Fraenkel, Gilad Shaar, and Eyal Yifrach were brutally murdered by terrorists - according to reports - not long after they were kidnapped.

The people who perpetrated this crime have not been captured, but we know that they are part of a widespread community that has consistently responded to talk of peace and co-existence with missiles and murder. Sadly, this is Israel's reality, but the cost is borne by Israelis and Palestinians alike.

We know that there are some within the Palestinian community and among their supporters, who condemned the initial kidnapping. Some have already spoken out against the subsequent murders of Naftali, Gilad and Eyal. Many others, however, celebrated their abduction and now we fear that they will delight in their murders.

So, we must ask, when will those who profess a desire for peace stand up against those who have only contempt for it? When will those who profess a desire for reconciliation finally and firmly reject appeals to hatred and replace them with genuine measures that will allow for a permanent end to the conflict between Israel and her neighbors and two states living side by side in peace?

Poll after poll shows that Israelis yearn for that day and are prepared to make the sacrifices that could make it possible. But today the Israeli people and their friends around the world are in mourning. Nothing can relieve the horror and sorrow that the Fraenkel, Shaar and Yifrach families and the pain we all feel, must now endure. Yet, if Palestinians and their supporters would finally stand-up to those in their midst who reject co-existence, we might find a small ray of hope in a very sad and dark landscape.

May the memories of Naftali, Gilad, and Eyal always be for a blessing and may the Almighty comfort their families among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.

With Love and a Broken Heart,

Mel Shuman
President, AJC Boston

Robert Leikind
Director, AJC Boston
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 09:33 am
There's too much outrage poured down on both sides.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 10:43 am
Yeah, oppression sucks.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 10:59 am
@Miller,
Quote:
So, we must ask, when will those who profess a desire for peace stand up against those who have only contempt for it? When will those who profess a desire for reconciliation finally and firmly reject appeals to hatred and replace them with genuine measures that will allow for a permanent end to the conflict between Israel and her neighbors and two states living side by side in peace?

Poll after poll shows that Israelis yearn for that day and are prepared to make the sacrifices that could make it possible. But today the Israeli people and their friends around the world are in mourning. Nothing can relieve the horror and sorrow that the Fraenkel, Shaar and Yifrach families and the pain we all feel, must now endure. Yet, if Palestinians and their supporters would finally stand-up to those in their midst who reject co-existence, we might find a small ray of hope in a very sad and dark landscape.


These two paragraphs are contradictory.

I agree with the first one.

Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 11:25 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Yeah, oppression sucks.


As the suckee, or the suckor?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 01:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
No, there is not too much outrage. When matters of this sort occur, outrage should most definitely be expressed, especially with regards to the 3 young people who were murdered.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 02:08 pm
@Sturgis,
The problem is that when it comes to the death of children, Israel outkills 100 to 1.

But this isn't about politics. The truly guilty parties never ever get 'theirs'. The children do.

There is enough grief and blood already.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 03:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Has "Israel" murdered lots of children after kidnapping them?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 06:48 pm
@Sturgis,
For three Israeli children there should be outrage, a million Iraqi children murdered by the USA, ... MEH.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 06:51 pm
@roger,
Quote:

Has "Israel" murdered lots of children after kidnapping them?


No, the Israelis are, like the USA, hi tech killers; they kill them in the streets and in refugee camps. Then they aren't saddled with the disposal of the bodies.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 06:59 pm
@roger,
No. They use bulldozers and rockets, block access to hospitals and any sort of health care, rubber bullets. Its not like I am making this up.

Both sides have done worse to each other. Israel will get a revenge and someone will revenge the revenge. In terms of life style and security - which would you rather be, an Israeli or a westbank Palestinian? I'd rather be an Israeli.

But again, I reply to you. The crying shame here is the dead Israeli youths. And the further cascading violence that impacts Palestinians more severely than Israelis thats going to come from it.

Yesimcha Elohim ke'Efraim ve'Chimnashe.

God, make thee as Efraim and Menasheh.

Yesimech Elohim ke'Sarah Rivkah Rachel ve'Leah.

God, make thee as Sarah, Rebekah, Rachel and Leah.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Yeah, oppression sucks.

It is hardly "oppression" when people take measures to prevent Palestinians from murdering people.

Time to clear all the Palestinians out of the West Bank.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:38 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Has "Israel" murdered lots of children after kidnapping them?


Clearly a trick question roger. No one here is stupid enough to propose a false equivalency between the value of the lives of Israeli children and Palestinian children.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:38 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Quote:
So, we must ask, when will those who profess a desire for peace stand up against those who have only contempt for it? When will those who profess a desire for reconciliation finally and firmly reject appeals to hatred and replace them with genuine measures that will allow for a permanent end to the conflict between Israel and her neighbors and two states living side by side in peace?

Poll after poll shows that Israelis yearn for that day and are prepared to make the sacrifices that could make it possible. But today the Israeli people and their friends around the world are in mourning. Nothing can relieve the horror and sorrow that the Fraenkel, Shaar and Yifrach families and the pain we all feel, must now endure. Yet, if Palestinians and their supporters would finally stand-up to those in their midst who reject co-existence, we might find a small ray of hope in a very sad and dark landscape.

These two paragraphs are contradictory.

That is incorrect. Both paragraphs are an expression of hope that Palestinians might one day choose peace.

It is a silly hope. It's time to start forcibly clearing all the Palestinians out of the West Bank.

But both paragraphs are very much in order with each other.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:40 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Has "Israel" murdered lots of children after kidnapping them?

No.

But anti-Semitic scum like to include false accusations of "murdered children" among their litany of false accusations against Israel, so you'll hear such things whenever there are anti-Semites lurking about.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:42 pm
@oralloy,
Read again Orally,

The first paragraph suggests that all "those who profess a desire for reconciliation" reject appeals to hatred.

The second paragraph suggests that only one side, the Palestinians, should reject appeals to hatred. The second paragraph implies that Israelis shouldn't stand up to those in their midst who reject co-existence.

I am curious on your opinion on the matter Oralloy. Do you think that Israelis should reject appeals to hatred (along with the Palestinians)?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:43 pm
@oralloy,
Technically Oralloy, you are just as anti-Semitic as anyone here. After all, Palestinians are Semites.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:48 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Clearly a trick question roger. No one here is stupid enough to propose a false equivalency between the value of the lives of Israeli children and Palestinian children.

There is no trick question. Israelis don't try to murder children (beyond the occasional criminal that can be expected in any society).

Palestinians, however, love murdering children. It's what they all live for.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:54 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Israelis don't try to murder children (beyond the occasional criminal that can be expected in any society).

Palestinians, however, love murdering children. It's what they all live for.


See what you did there?

The claim that Semitic people love murdering children has is a standard part of anti-Semitic propaganda through the ages.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2014 08:57 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
The first paragraph suggests that all "those who profess a desire for reconciliation" reject appeals to hatred.

The second paragraph suggests that only one side, the Palestinians, should reject appeals to hatred. The second paragraph implies that Israelis shouldn't stand up to those in their midst who reject co-existence.

No. The second paragraph presumes (correctly) that Israel already stands up to people who reject co-existence, and therefore does not need to be asked to do so.


maxdancona wrote:
I am curious on your opinion on the matter Oralloy. Do you think that Israelis should reject appeals to hatred (along with the Palestinians)?

I think peace has had far too many chances. Enough is enough.

It is time to forcibly clear all of the Palestinians out of the West Bank once and for all.

Shoot anyone who resists.
 

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